Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you.

[HTacianas]

That sounds fairly serious. Unless you do this thing, you have no life in you. That quote is John 6:53, but the earliest mention of the idea in the bible is found at 1 Cor 10, where Paul identifies the Eucharist as the sharing of the body and blood of the Lord, 1 Cor 10:26. He says he received the teaching from the Lord, 1 Cor 11:23, but there is no mention of just how he received it from the Lord. He seems to repeat the institution of it nearly verbatim from the gospels. But he seemed serious about it, stating that anyone who ate and drank the Eucharist in an unworthy manner could even die from it, "not discerning the Lord's body", 1 Cor 11:29-30.

The Eucharist is mentioned again in Acts 2:42 and 2:46. Acts 2:42 identifying it as an Apostolic Doctrine.

 

[d taylor]

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This is saying unless you believe in The Messiah (Jesus) you do not have The Life of God in you. Same way Jesus uses living water when He speaks to the women at the well. All these statements, like in John 6 and in John 4 is another way for Jesus to say, believe in Him for Eternal Life.

Eating as a Metaphor for Faith – Grace Evangelical Society

 

[Servus]

The Eucharist is mentioned again in Acts 2:42 and 2:46. Acts 2:42 identifying it as an Apostolic Doctrine.

I'm not entirely sure about that since breaking bread together often just means getting together for breakfast or lunch.

 

[HTacianas]

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This is saying unless you believe in The Messiah (Jesus) you do not have The Life of God in you. Same way Jesus uses living water when He speaks to the women at the well. All these statements, like in John 6 and in John 4 is another way for Jesus to say, believe in Him for Eternal Life.

Eating as a Metaphor for Faith – Grace Evangelical Society

So. All that eating a drinking Paul talked about was just some metaphor for whatever we want it to be a metaphor for?

 

[HTacianas]

I'm not entirely sure about that since breaking bread together often just means getting together for breakfast or lunch.

If you read the Peshitta it names the breaking of bread as the Eucharist. I don't think getting together to "do lunch" could really be called an Apostolic Doctrine.

 

[d taylor]

So. All that eating a drinking Paul talked about was just some metaphor for whatever we want it to be a metaphor for?

Paul plainly writes in 1st Corinthians 11 this eating and drinking is done as a remembrance.
and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me.
The judgment Paul is speaking of is a judgement from God on the believer for disrespecting/disobedience The Lords supper. For this reason many are weak and sick among you, and many sleep (died physically).

Nowhere in chapter 11 does Paul states that a person receives Eternal Life by partaking of The Lords Supper.

 

[Danny&Annie&theChristmas]

The bread = the Bread of Life which is the Word/Scriptures
The blood = the Holy Spirit within you/the Sacrificial Blood of Christ when we invite Him into our heart/lives.

 

[HTacianas]

Paul plainly writes in 1st Corinthians 11 this eating and drinking is done as a remembrance.
and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me.
The judgment Paul is speaking of is a judgement from God on the believer for disrespecting/disobedience The Lords supper. For this reason many are weak and sick among you, and many sleep (died physically).

Nowhere in chapter 11 does Paul states that a person receives Eternal Life by partaking of The Lords Supper.

Paul wouldn't need to say that. Jesus already did. That's the title of this thread.

 

[HTacianas]

The bread = the Bread of Life which is the Word/Scriptures
The blood = the Holy Spirit within you/the Sacrificial Blood of Christ when we invite Him into our heart/lives.

If that's what it meant I'm sure it would say that. But it doesn't. It says something else entirely.

 

[d taylor]

Paul wouldn't need to say that. Jesus already did. That's the title of this thread.

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Your Lord Supper belief, is a classic example of taking two areas of scripture. Which in their context are not connected. You (really your church) take these two areas of The Bible, books and scripture and take them out of context, combine them together, to form an incorrect theology belief.

 

[HTacianas]

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Your Lord Supper belief, is a classic example of taking two areas of scripture. Which in their context are not connected. You (really your church) take these two areas of The Bible, books and scripture and take them out of context, combine them together, to form an incorrect theology belief.

My Church did not get that from the bible. The Church got that from the Apostles before the bible was written. It was the Apostles who went out evangelizing and teaching the doctrine of the Apostles. The Eucharist has been central to Christianity since that time. That is the reason that all Apostolic Churches hold to the same belief and teaching, and the reason why there is an unbroken and unanimous chain of commentaries reaching from the Church Fathers down to this very day recording that teaching.

 

[eleos1954]

That sounds fairly serious. Unless you do this thing, you have no life in you. That quote is John 6:53, but the earliest mention of the idea in the bible is found at 1 Cor 10, where Paul identifies the Eucharist as the sharing of the body and blood of the Lord, 1 Cor 10:26. He says he received the teaching from the Lord, 1 Cor 11:23, but there is no mention of just how he received it from the Lord. He seems to repeat the institution of it nearly verbatim from the gospels. But he seemed serious about it, stating that anyone who ate and drank the Eucharist in an unworthy manner could even die from it, "not discerning the Lord's body", 1 Cor 11:29-30.

The Eucharist is mentioned again in Acts 2:42 and 2:46. Acts 2:42 identifying it as an Apostolic Doctrine.

Eucharist is the name that Catholics give to the sacrament by which, according to their belief, the body and blood of Christ are present in the bread and wine that are consecrated during the Catholic eucharistic liturgy, generally known as the Mass.

At the Lord's supper Jesus was alive ... is it believed he "mysteriously and/or supernaturally" turned the bread and wine into the physical elements of His body?

 

[HTacianas]

Eucharist is the name that Catholics give to the sacrament by which, according to their belief, the body and blood of Christ are present in the bread and wine that are consecrated during the Catholic eucharistic liturgy, generally known as the Mass.

At the Lord's supper Jesus was alive ... is it believed he "mysteriously and/or supernaturally" turned the bread and wine into the physical elements of His body?

It's not just the Catholics. It is every, single Apostolic Church. Since the founding of Christianity. And yes, at the last supper Jesus turned the bread and wine into his body and blood.

 

[BNR32FAN]

That sounds fairly serious. Unless you do this thing, you have no life in you. That quote is John 6:53, but the earliest mention of the idea in the bible is found at 1 Cor 10, where Paul identifies the Eucharist as the sharing of the body and blood of the Lord, 1 Cor 10:26. He says he received the teaching from the Lord, 1 Cor 11:23, but there is no mention of just how he received it from the Lord. He seems to repeat the institution of it nearly verbatim from the gospels. But he seemed serious about it, stating that anyone who ate and drank the Eucharist in an unworthy manner could even die from it, "not discerning the Lord's body", 1 Cor 11:29-30.

The Eucharist is mentioned again in Acts 2:42 and 2:46. Acts 2:42 identifying it as an Apostolic Doctrine.

Personally I believe the term to be a metaphorical representation of us receiving Christ within us to receive eternal life because there were many who didn’t receive the Eucharist, like JTB for example who will still receive eternal life.

 

[HTacianas]

Personally I believe the term to be a metaphorical representation of us receiving Christ within us to receive eternal life because there were many who didn’t receive the Eucharist, like JTB for example who will still receive eternal life.

You can believe what you want to believe. But there is only one truth.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You can believe what you want to believe. But there is only one truth.

Will JTB have eternal life?
Did he receive the Eucharist?

 

[HTacianas]

Will JTB have eternal life?
Did he receive the Eucharist?

I have no idea who JTB is and I don't know what his disposition is.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I have no idea who JTB is and I don't know what his disposition is.

John the Baptist
Will he receive eternal life?
Did he receive the Eucharist?

“So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭53‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

 

[BNR32FAN]

I have no idea who JTB is and I don't know what his disposition is.

Another example is Judas. Judas received the Eucharist from Christ Himself at the Last Supper. Will he receive eternal life?

 

[HTacianas]

John the Baptist
Will he receive eternal life?
Did he receive the Eucharist?

“So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭53‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

The Eucharist was not instituted at the time of John the Baptist. He lived and died under the old covenant.