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[Pommer]

It's called "gender neutral language" and there's a big push for it.

Whoop-dee-doo

 

[Margaret3110]

So back in the day, a couple decades ago, I was under the impression that most trans kids knew they were a different gender than their assigned gender and that that knowledge was so powerful that it wouldn't matter whether they were instructed about the issue. But now it appears that people can discover they're transgender at any age - I know adults who are transitioning where no one in their life saw it coming from a mile away - and I find that puzzling. I also find this idea that we have to teach about gender identity (in a "You might actually be a boy/girl/neither!" sort of way, not a "Some people feel they are different from their assigned gender" way, the latter being about inclusivity and the first being, in my view, just downright confusing) to be puzzling. If they KNOW they're a different gender, why does someone have to teach them that? And if they DON'T know it already, then isn't teaching that confusing?

 

[ozso]

Whoop-dee-doo

Then society doesn't need any of it.

 

[ozso]

But that doesn't mean they are getting rid of the concept of male and female.

ok

 

[rambot]

So back in the day, a couple decades ago, I was under the impression that most trans kids knew they were a different gender than their assigned gender and that that knowledge was so powerful that it wouldn't matter whether they were instructed about the issue. But now it appears that people can discover they're transgender at any age - I know adults who are transitioning where no one in their life saw it coming from a mile away - and I find that puzzling. I also find this idea that we have to teach about gender identity (in a "You might actually be a boy/girl/neither!" sort of way, not a "Some people feel they are different from their assigned gender" way, the latter being about inclusivity and the first being, in my view, just downright confusing) to be puzzling. If they KNOW they're a different gender, why does someone have to teach them that? And if they DON'T know it already, then isn't teaching that confusing?

There is several things truly baffling to me about all of this.

The assumption that you, or anyone ever knows what is going on in someone else's brain; the lack of trust in other people because you think they can't know themselves; the hubris that you DO know them.
LATE EDIT:
[my bold]. I would argue this point is factually inaccurate. In my school division, and, amongst the surprisingly large number of teachers I know in different locations across western Canada, not a SINGLE one has ever been instructed to teacher "You might". Because it is a matter of accepting OTHER people; that's the purpose behind ANYTIME these conversations come up. If there is a kid already thinking this way, I want them to just have an adult hear that it is okay to be that way; even if so many adults tell them it is not. I'm not going to imply or suggest ANY kid in my class is that way. It doesn't even make sense....for the very reasons you provide.

 

[ozso]

There is several things truly baffling to me about all of this.

The assumption that you, or anyone ever knows what is going on in someone else's brain; the lack of trust in other people because you think they can't know themselves; the hubris that you DO know them.

You really seem to be into making personal attacks.

 

[rambot]

You really seem to be into making personal attacks.

An outlook that is based on an attack on someone's personhood has a problem with a personal attack?

 

[Pommer]

Then society doesn't need any of it.

Great, when you get yourself into that society, post about it to us.

 

[ozso]

An outlook that is based on an attack on someone's personhood has a problem with a personal attack?

I didn't say anything about your personhood, I said you seem to have a predilection towards ad hominem replies, based on the ad hominem replies I see you making.

 

[rambot]

I didn't say anything about your personhood, I said you seem to have a predilection towards ad hominem replies, based on the ad hominem replies I see you making.

I never said you did say anything about MY personhood. I'm saying the anti transgender view is.

 

[ozso]

Great, when you get yourself into that society, post about it to us.

I guess that's supposed to be a clever retort, but I don't see how it makes any sense.

 

[ozso]

I never said you did say anything about MY personhood. I'm saying the anti transgender view is.

That person's comment was about how transgender/genderfluid/nonbinary ideology being crammed down the throats of all children, isn't necessary.

 

[Pommer]

I guess that's supposed to be a clever retort, but I don't see how it makes any sense.

Society is what happens when people choose to live peaceably with one another…some of us are willing to acknowledge that some children are going to be transgender and let them know that that’s “okay”.
Some people are mad at these developments.

 

[ozso]

Society is what happens when people choose to live peaceably with one another…some of us are willing to acknowledge that some children are going to be transgender and let them know that that’s “okay”.
Some people are mad at these developments.

No people are mad because millions of children are being inundated with transgender/genderfluid/nonbinary ideology, which apparently has lead to millions of children thinking they're transgender/genderfluid/nonbinary, as I already cited. What you're arguing for isn't a factor any longer. Instead of creating acceptance for a few, it's resulting in millions of children becoming what were the few into the many. The idea was for the majority to accept the minority. But what's actually happening is the majority is becoming what was the minority - as predicted.

 

[rambot]

No people are mad because millions of children are being inundated with transgender/genderfluid/nonbinary ideology, which apparently has lead to millions of children thinking they're transgender/genderfluid/nonbinary, as I already cited. What you're arguing for isn't a factor any longer. Instead of creating acceptance for a few, it's resulting in millions of children becoming what were the few into the many. The idea was for the majority to accept the minority. But what's actually happening is the majority is becoming what was the minority - as predicted.

Is....is 1.6 million ANYWHERE near a majority? Am I missing some kinda news article where there are numbers that are actually disconcerting?

 

[ozso]

Is....is 1.6 million ANYWHERE near a majority? Am I missing some kinda news article where there are numbers that are actually disconcerting?

Time to update:

New studies find millions of young nonbinary and transgender Americans​

 

[A2SG]

Time to update:

New studies find millions of young nonbinary and transgender Americans​

Is this a problem, really? It seems to me that people, particularly young people (who may be more open to new ideas rather than accepting the previously believed status quo) are open to the idea that gender is a spectrum rather than two rigidly defined boxes.

If someone feels they don't fit within the boxes other people say they should fit into, that might lead them to explore new ideas, and new definitions. Nothing wrong with that, from what I can see. If you, personally, feel comfortable in the box you were put in, feel free to remain there.

What difference does it make to you if someone else doesn't want to stay in that box?

-- A2SG, not everyone likes those boxes, after all.....

 

[ozso]

Is this a problem, really? It seems to me that people, particularly young people (who may be more open to new ideas rather than accepting the previously believed status quo) are open to the idea that gender is a spectrum rather than two rigidly defined boxes.

If someone feels they don't fit within the boxes other people say they should fit into, that might lead them to explore new ideas, and new definitions. Nothing wrong with that, from what I can see. If you, personally, feel comfortable in the box you were put in, feel free to remain there.

What difference does it make to you if someone else doesn't want to stay in that box?

-- A2SG, not everyone likes those boxes, after all.....

It's hard to say what all will result in getting millions of kids to believe that they're transgender/genderfluid/nonbinary etc etc.

 

[A2SG]

It's hard to say what all will result in getting millions of kids to believe that they're transgender/genderfluid/nonbinary etc etc.

Why do you assume nefarious motives here? Maybe it isn't someone "getting" people to believe they don't fit into the rigidly defined sexual boxes, maybe they've come to that realization all by themselves. Due to their own personal experiences and feelings.

I mean...if this is some kind of economic conspiracy to make money for big pharma, as some contend, it seems to me there are easier ways to make a buck.

Also...I've spoken to people who are trans. They actually believe the things they say they believe. It isn't something they've been told to believe...in fact, quite a few have come to the realization despite other people trying to tell them their feelings are wrong.

How can someone else tell you that your feelings are wrong?

-- A2SG, seems to me that's where the nefarious motives may come in.....

 

[ozso]

When will folks finally see the enormous folly of woke liberalism?

"We need children being taught all about the trans rabbit hole".

Result: Millions of children go down the trans rabbit hole - as predicted.

"We need narcotics to be legalized".

Result: Huge increase in hundreds of people staggering around stoned out of their gord on fentanyl and tranq in areas where narcotics have been legalized - as predicted.

"Let's greatly reduce border control".

Result: sanctuary cities become overwhelmed with illegal immigrants pouring in - as predicted.

"Let's defund the police and greatly reduce law enforcement".

Result: massive looting, muggings, and carjacking - as predicted.