Hamas-Israel News Thread

[Landon Caeli]

There are 200 Jewish-only settlements in West Bank - on Palestinian land. Palestinians live behind concrete walls and barb wires.

It's called self-preservation. Something smart people do to protect themselves from harm.

 

[Chesterton]

This:
"Gaza is beautiful ocean front property, it would make for lovely a tourist resort. Instead they spent all the international aid turning it into a military camp to wage war against civilians."

Have you lived in Gaza? Do you really know the situation there? Have you seen what is all the international aid spent on?

The situation is well documented. We have video of some of the tunnel system. Over the years I have seen video of Hamas rockets flying through the air towards Israeli cities. I've seen video of Hamas soldiers running, driving and flying into the kibbutzim east of Gaza on October 7.

 

[trophy33]

It's called self-preservation. Something smart people do to protect themselves from harm.

No, its called illegal activity. Its against international law to steal land from the weaker ones and to push them behind literal bars. And to create apartheid based on ethnicity.

 

[trophy33]

The situation is well documented. We have video of some of the tunnel system. Over the years I have seen video of Hamas rockets flying through the air towards Israeli cities. I've seen video of Hamas soldiers running, driving and flying into the kibbutzim east of Gaza on October 7.

Therefore? How do you know that the whole international aid is spent on tunnels or rockets? Post the documents, then, if its well documented.

 

[Landon Caeli]

No, its called illegal activity. Its against international law to steal land from the weaker ones and to push them behind literal bars. And to create apartheid based on ethnicity.

How can you prove it's based on ethnicity and not terrorism?

I say, if land wasn't used to launch terrorist attacks, it wouldn't have been taken away. That's how/ why walls and barbed wire were needed to be installed.

 

[Chesterton]

Therefore? How do you know that the whole international aid is spent on tunnels or rockets? Post the documents, then, if its well documented.

The unemployment rate in Gaza is about 50%. Hamas has done nothing to improve the quality of life there. They tear up water lines and street lights to use to make rockets. All this stuff has already been posted about in this thread and elsewhere.

 

[Landon Caeli]

That's the punishment for terrorism. Every Action has a reaction.

...In the meantime, the international lawmakers have done nothing. They just talk, and think of "ideas".

 

[essentialsaltes]

How can you prove it's based on ethnicity and not terrorism?

There are 200 Jewish-only settlements in West Bank - on Palestinian land. Palestinians live behind concrete walls and barb wires.

This is not about Gaza or Hamas. Likewise the expulsion of Palestinians from Eastern Jerusalem.

 

[Landon Caeli]

This is not about Gaza or Hamas. Likewise the expulsion of Palestinians from Eastern Jerusalem.

In the meantime, 20% of Israel is Arab. How many Jews live in Gaza..? Not a single one.!

This fact proves that it is the Arab Palestinians, in Gaza, who are the true apartheid regime. And have been, sine the drafting of the White Papers in 1922. It has been ongoing racism against Jews in the region ever since.

 

[civilwarbuff]

I am talking about millions of Palestinians in Gaza, West Bank and Israel, not about one mount. People focus on small details instead of on the whole picture.

There are 200 Jewish-only settlements in West Bank - on Palestinian land. Palestinians live behind concrete walls and barb wires.

Main articles: Antisemitism in Islam, History of antisemitism § Middle Ages, and History of the Jews under Muslim rule

Jews, along with Christians, Sabians, and Zoroastrians living under early and medieval Muslim rule were known as "People of the Book" to Muslims and subjected to the status of dhimmi ("protected" minority) in the lands conquered by Muslim Arabs, a status generally applied to Non-Muslim minorities that was later also extended to other Non-Muslims like Sikhs, Hindus, Jains, and Buddhists.[13][14][15] Jews were generally seen as a religious group (not a separate race), thus being a part of the "Arab family".[16]

Dhimmi were subjected to a number of restrictions, the application and severity of which varied with time and place. Restrictions included residency in segregated quarters, obligation to wear distinctive clothing such as the Yellow badge,[17][Note 1] public subservience to Muslims, prohibitions against proselytizing and against marrying Muslim women, and limited access to the legal system (the testimony of a Jew did not count if contradicted by that of a Muslim). Dhimmi had to pay a special poll tax (the jizya), which exempted them from military service, and also from payment of the zakat alms tax required of Muslims. In return, dhimmi were granted limited rights, including a degree of tolerance, community autonomy in personal matters, and protection from being killed outright. Jewish communities, like Christian ones, were typically constituted as semi-autonomous entities managed by their own laws and leadership, who carried the responsibility for the community towards the Muslim rulers.[19]

Antisemitism in the Arab world - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You might want to take time to read the entire article and learn before you to argue further.

 

[trophy33]

The unemployment rate in Gaza is about 50%. Hamas has done nothing to improve the quality of life there. They tear up water lines and street lights to use to make rockets. All this stuff has already been posted about in this thread and elsewhere.

People post many things, but the difference between reality and propaganda is in the complexity of things. If you believe its black and white, you fell for propaganda.

 

[trophy33]

Main articles: Antisemitism in Islam, History of antisemitism § Middle Ages, and History of the Jews under Muslim rule

Jews, along with Christians, Sabians, and Zoroastrians living under early and medieval Muslim rule were known as "People of the Book" to Muslims and subjected to the status of dhimmi ("protected" minority) in the lands conquered by Muslim Arabs, a status generally applied to Non-Muslim minorities that was later also extended to other Non-Muslims like Sikhs, Hindus, Jains, and Buddhists.[13][14][15] Jews were generally seen as a religious group (not a separate race), thus being a part of the "Arab family".[16]

Dhimmi were subjected to a number of restrictions, the application and severity of which varied with time and place. Restrictions included residency in segregated quarters, obligation to wear distinctive clothing such as the Yellow badge,[17][Note 1] public subservience to Muslims, prohibitions against proselytizing and against marrying Muslim women, and limited access to the legal system (the testimony of a Jew did not count if contradicted by that of a Muslim). Dhimmi had to pay a special poll tax (the jizya), which exempted them from military service, and also from payment of the zakat alms tax required of Muslims. In return, dhimmi were granted limited rights, including a degree of tolerance, community autonomy in personal matters, and protection from being killed outright. Jewish communities, like Christian ones, were typically constituted as semi-autonomous entities managed by their own laws and leadership, who carried the responsibility for the community towards the Muslim rulers.[19]

Antisemitism in the Arab world - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You might want to take time to read the entire article and learn before you to argue further.

Jews do not like Arabs, Arabs do not like Jews.

Islamism is against Jews, Zionism is against Arabs.

I am not willing to take sides. Both sides are very problematic.

 

[Chesterton]

People post many things, but the difference between reality and propaganda is in the complexity of things. If you believe its black and white, you fell for propaganda.

Unless you can give me some "documentation" of Israeli soldiers storming into Gaza and mutilating Gazan babies, then yes, it's very black and white.

 

[trophy33]

No, every cause has a reaction. If you want the big picture, you need to understand why a peaceful movement turned into a conflict in the first place. You need to understand where the murders began, and how the people developed because of the previous action, based on the reality of history.

The Islamic terrorism was always there. That is the root cause of the violence. What we see is the snowball effect of Jihadi terrorism, on and on.. Relentless!

Islamistic terrorism is there and Zionistic terror is there too. I do not need one side of the conflict to look like innocent angels. Do you?

 

[trophy33]

No because it's an ignorant video, that excludes way too much information, and cherry-picks certain events.

Its a documentary, not encyclopedia. I do not say its the only video you must ever watch.

Did you know that Israeli soldiers were breaking arms of Palestinians with large stones?

 

[Landon Caeli]

Its a documentary, not encyclopedia.

It would be like teaching kids in school about the Israeli conflict beginning today... That would sure put a bad taste in everyone's mouth about Israel.

...But in the same way, that's how the Islamists always do it - they cover their tracks by talking over history. Like those protesters who rip down posters of kidnapped kids from Oct., 7 in NY - let's forget about that, and focus on Palestinian kids hurt by rockets instead.

But they can't erase history if people are willing to learn.

 

[BPPLEE]

For those here who simply want to disseminate hamas propaganda you might want to take at look at this. This is taken from hamas body cams and security cameras and is incredibly graphic. So much so I won't post even the search address here. But you can search this out on youtube under the below title. Viewing time is 10:49. I am a firm believer that those who do not stand with Israel at this time is standing with hamas. There are no innocent bystanders here.​

This shows us what hamas was really up to on Oct 7, about 0900.​

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GRAPHIC RAW FOOTAGE: Massacre Across Israel From the Eyes of Hamas​

Have you seen the protesters chanting "From the river to the see Palestine will be free"?
The river is on one side of Israel and the sea is on the other side. It's a call for wiping out the entire country of Israel and killing all the Jews living there.

 

[BPPLEE]

How do you know?

Because it costs money to build tunnels under everything with power and to arm people and make rockets

 

[trophy33]

Because it costs money to build tunnels under everything with power and to arm people and make rockets

And you know the origin of those money how?

 

[trophy33]

It would be like teaching kids in school about the Israeli conflict beginning today... That would sure put a bad taste in everyone's mouth about Israel.

...But in the same way, that's how the Islamists always do it - they cover their tracks by talking over history. Like those protesters who rip down posters of kidnapped kids from Oct., 7 in NY - let's forget about that, and focus on Palestinian kids hurt by rockets instead.

But they can't erase history if people are willing to learn.

The same applies also in a reversed order. "Lets forget about Palestinians being tortured and killed by Zionists and lets focus on history" is also wrong.

Did you know that Israeli soldiers were breaking arms of Palestinians with large stones? Did you know that 700,000 Palestinians were put in jails? Did you know that Israel keeps currently about 250 children in prisons?