Don't work Don't Eat? vs would not work, he shouldn't eat?

[Cockcrow]

a lot of people say "Don't work, Don't eat" but The Bible says in 2 Thessalonians 3:10 "For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat." it says those who would not work, willing to work, should not eat. doesn't say don't work don't eat. yet some will say to poor people, mentally challenged people, young adults who are lost, can't find a worldly job "don't work don't eat" to them, implying they need to work a worldly job for lucre otherwise don't eat. others will attack the homeless on this verse. What is the true meaning?

 

[Benjamin Müller]

Work does not equate to a worldly job, it can be keeping the house; cooking; cleaning; cutting wood. Everyone should put their hand to what they are able to do. Anyone who cannot work because they are thoroughly invalid such as unfortunate severely autistic/retarded people, then we are to aid those who cannot help themself. We don't tell the newborn baby, well, if you don't go to work, I'm not feeding you. There is obviously a reasonable limit to this statement.

This is a commandment against laziness. I have known family members who literally just watched television or played video games all day while their wives worked. These people are mentally and physically sound, but they don't want to work. They are just completely lazy. Those people, who are perfectly capable to work, should be working in some manner. No one is demanding six digit income; but they should be putting their hand to work that needs to be done: do the laundry, make dinner, fix the light-switch etc. If all their capable of doing is licking envelopes then set them to lick envelopes. We come to serve not be served and we should serve in whatever manner we are able, even if it's pathetically small and seemingly insignificant, the desire to serve should be there. We should be giving not getting.

Lazy people who only seek to get and never give do not deserve nourishment.

 

[Cockcrow]

Work does not equate to a worldly job, it can be keeping the house; cooking; cleaning; cutting wood. Everyone should put their hand to what they are able to do. Anyone who cannot work because they are thoroughly invalid such as unfortunate severely autistic/retarded people, then we are to aid those who cannot help themself. We don't tell the newborn baby, well, if you don't go to work, I'm not feeding you. There is obviously a reasonable limit to this statement.

This is a commandment against laziness. I have known family members who literally just watched television or played video games all day while their wives worked. These people are mentally and physically sound, but they don't want to work. They are just completely lazy. Those people, who are perfectly capable to work, should be working in some manner. No one is demanding six digit income; but they should be putting their hand to work that needs to be done: do the laundry, make dinner, fix the light-switch etc. If all their capable of doing is licking envelopes then set them to lick envelopes. We come to serve not be served and we should serve in whatever manner we are able, even if it's pathetically small and seemingly insignificant, the desire to serve should be there. We should be giving not getting.

Lazy people who only seek to get and never give do not deserve nourishment.

doesn't the bible say we are to rely on God to provide our needs?

 

[Cockcrow]

Work does not equate to a worldly job, it can be keeping the house; cooking; cleaning; cutting wood. Everyone should put their hand to what they are able to do. Anyone who cannot work because they are thoroughly invalid such as unfortunate severely autistic/retarded people, then we are to aid those who cannot help themself. We don't tell the newborn baby, well, if you don't go to work, I'm not feeding you. There is obviously a reasonable limit to this statement.

This is a commandment against laziness. I have known family members who literally just watched television or played video games all day while their wives worked. These people are mentally and physically sound, but they don't want to work. They are just completely lazy. Those people, who are perfectly capable to work, should be working in some manner. No one is demanding six digit income; but they should be putting their hand to work that needs to be done: do the laundry, make dinner, fix the light-switch etc. If all their capable of doing is licking envelopes then set them to lick envelopes. We come to serve not be served and we should serve in whatever manner we are able, even if it's pathetically small and seemingly insignificant, the desire to serve should be there. We should be giving not getting.

Lazy people who only seek to get and never give do not deserve nourishment.

why are women working in the first place, the Bible never says for women to work, all they are doing is taking up jobs from men who would gladly fill those positions.

 

[Benjamin Müller]

doesn't the bible say we are to rely on God to provide our needs?

Genesis 2:15 Then the LORD God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it.
Genesis 3:19; Exodus 20:9-11; Psalm 128:2

Yes, we rely on God, but faith without works is dead. Six days you work and the seventh you rest.

why are women working in the first place, the Bible never says for women to work, all they are doing is taking up jobs from men who would gladly fill those positions.

What does this have to do with the original question? Women work. The bible speaks of all working, men and women. Eve was created as a helper. A helper, helps. Helping is work. Proverbs 31. Whether a woman wishes to remain at home or take up jobs in the workforce, is her own prerogative. Women are necessary in both places, but not every woman is fit for being a housewife or for being in the workforce. Let women work where they are happy to do so; whether as mothers at home; shopkeepers; hat makers; nurses; teachers; doctors etc.

 

[RDKirk]

doesn't the bible say we are to rely on God to provide our needs?

We can't just set our dinner plates out on the lawn and expect manna to fall into them.

All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they shared with anyone who was in need. -- Acts 2

The multitude of believers was one in heart and soul. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they owned. With great power the apostles continued to give their testimony about the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And abundant grace was upon them all.

There were no needy ones among them, because those who owned lands or houses would sell their property, bring the proceeds from the sales, and lay them at the apostles’ feet for distribution to anyone as he had need. -- Acts 4

We are the Body of Christ. That means we are also the hands of Christ...His intentions as the Head are manifest through us as His hands.


The widow who is truly in need and left all alone puts her hope in God and continues night and day in her petitions and prayers. But she who lives for pleasure is dead even while she is still alive.

Give these instructions to the believers, so that they will be above reproach. If anyone does not provide for his own, and especially his own household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

A widow should be enrolled [on the widows list] if she is at least sixty years old, the wife of one man, and well known for good deeds such as bringing up children, entertaining strangers, washing the feet of the saints, imparting relief to the afflicted, and devoting herself to every good work. -- 1 Timothy 5

This is a two-fer to answer your questions. The widow who was qualified to be put on the widow's list for the church's support did put her hope in God, nevertheless, she was still working for the good of the congregation even as she was being supported by it and had her hope in God. Those are not mutually exclusive conditions.

 

[concretecamper]

Work does not equate to a worldly job,

it can be keeping the house; cooking; cleaning; cutting wood.

which are all worldly jobs.

 

[RDKirk]

which are all worldly jobs.

I think the intention was a 9-5 job outside the home working for an employer.

 

[concretecamper]

I think the intention was a 9-5 job outside the home working for an employer.

Obviously not married.

 

[Cockcrow]

Genesis 2:15 Then the LORD God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it.
Genesis 3:19; Exodus 20:9-11; Psalm 128:2

Yes, we rely on God, but faith without works is dead. Six days you work and the seventh you rest.



What does this have to do with the original question? Women work. The bible speaks of all working, men and women. Eve was created as a helper. A helper, helps. Helping is work. Proverbs 31. Whether a woman wishes to remain at home or take up jobs in the workforce, is her own prerogative. Women are necessary in both places, but not every woman is fit for being a housewife or for being in the workforce. Let women work where they are happy to do so; whether as mothers at home; shopkeepers; hat makers; nurses; teachers; doctors etc.

Women are to work at home yes, but not a worldly job earning income, that is the males job provider, yet society has it backwards today, the woman is the provider instead of the man when it shouldn't be that way biblically

 

[Cockcrow]

"Don't work Don't eat" was a socialist/communist slogan, USSR, which was a anti God, Godless state that hated God and murdered people. it is based on a twisting on the passage of 2 Thessalonians 3:10 which says "would not work, he should not eat" not "dont work dont eat" as the socialist/communist God haters say

 

[RDKirk]

Women are to work at home yes, but not a worldly job earning income, that is the males job provider, yet society has it backwards today, the woman is the provider instead of the man when it shouldn't be that way biblically

You don't seem to have read Proverbs 31. That woman ran her own business.

Lydia, as well, ran her own business.

 

[Strong in Him]

why are women working in the first place, the Bible never says for women to work,

Doesn't it?
Rachel (OT) was a shepherdess.
Deborah was judge over the whole nation.
Esther was a queen.
Many people had slave girls.
The ideal woman in Proverbs 31 was a trader, made her own clothes, helped the poor.
Dorcas helped the poor and made clothes.
Lydia was a dealer in purple cloth.
Priscilla was a tentmaker.

all they are doing is taking up jobs from men who would gladly fill those positions.

So if Dorcas hadn't made clothes for the poor, a man would have done it?
Really?

My experience is that some men think that some things are only women's work - nursing, child care etc. It wasn't that long ago that if someone was a male nurse they were teased for not being clever enough to be a doctor - and quite possibly labelled as gay or effeminate.

 

[Strong in Him]

which are all worldly jobs.

If you are a Christian, there is no such thing as a "worldly job" - Colossians 3:17.

 

[Strong in Him]

Women are to work at home yes, but not a worldly job earning income, that is the males job provider,

Who says?
Supposing a woman has lost her husband? In Bible times a man could divorce his wife for the most trivial of reasons. Was a woman supposed to dit around, doing nothing or begging until she could find a man to provide for her? Supposing she never did?
Supposing a woman loses her husband in war or through illness; why should she not work to provide for her family?

 

[RDKirk]

"Don't work Don't eat" was a socialist/communist slogan, USSR, which was a anti God, Godless state that hated God and murdered people. it is based on a twisting on the passage of 2 Thessalonians 3:10 which says "would not work, he should not eat" not "dont work dont eat" as the socialist/communist God haters say

The concept of Communism also obligated the government to find some kind of job for everyone.

But there is another concept that the Church should be following also unfortunately appropriated and twisted by Communism:

"From each according to his ability; to each according to his needs."

That's actually the way the economics within the Body of Christ are supposed to work.

 

[RDKirk]

Doesn't it?
Rachel (OT) was a shepherdess.
Deborah was judge over the whole nation.
Esther was a queen.
Many people had slave girls.
The ideal woman in Proverbs 31 was a trader, made her own clothes, helped the poor.
Dorcas helped the poor and made clothes.
Lydia was a dealer in purple cloth.
Priscilla was a tentmaker.

So if Dorcas hadn't made clothes for the poor, a man would have done it?
Really?

My experience is that some men think that some things are only women's work - nursing, child care etc. It wasn't that long ago that if someone was a male nurse they were teased for not being clever enough to be a doctor - and quite possibly labelled as gay or effeminate.

And before Clara Barton, nursing was a male role.

 

[concretecamper]

If you are a Christian, there is no such thing as a "worldly job" - Colossians 3:17.

Haha, I wish that was true

 

[Benjamin Müller]

"Don't work Don't eat" was a socialist/communist slogan, USSR, which was a anti God, Godless state that hated God and murdered people. it is based on a twisting on the passage of 2 Thessalonians 3:10 which says "would not work, he should not eat" not "dont work dont eat" as the socialist/communist God haters say

So you're arguing over semantics? Do not versus would not/should not?

Hitler said, He alone who owns the youth, gains the future. This is a twist from, train a child in the way he should go and when he is old, from it he will not depart. So does that mean we shouldn't train our children because Hitler made a similar quote? Just because someone is anti-God or Godless, doesn't mean everything they say or speak is evil or untrue. Mankind took of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

What exactly is your intent of this post?

 

[Benjamin Müller]

which are all worldly jobs.

I think of worldly as outside of the house, in the world. Around people in the world, rather than being kept sheltered away at home, so to speak.

Definition of a worldly job, is definitely subjective. I can see your point, though, no one is spirit yet so having a spiritual job is out of the question. As long as we are physical we need physical/worldly jobs in order to survive. So, in that regard, you're right. Everything I listed is a worldly job.