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I only asked you one question whereas you asked me six just to clarify your post here. So do you think that the life of a Palestinian child or baby is of the same value as an Israeli child or baby? (given you have dodged my original single question)
Do your screenshots really need to be this big?From your own source...
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Over the same time period, basically double the number of civilians killed.
Here's a list of all known rocket and mortar attacks on Israel in 2018. A typical year in Israel.
List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel in 2018 - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
Now, how do I know these are attacks on civilians and not the IDF? Pretty simple.
Here's a picture of the border wall that separates Gaza from Israel.
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This is quite literally what Hamas and their Palestinian sympathizers have to fire their rockets and mortars over to kill civilians. They literally avoid hitting the wall or the soldiers guarding it....to attack civilians. Why? Because they're terrorists...and believe that killing civilians and women and babies is a more effective use of the millions of dollars their sympathizers send them worldwide.
My claim wasn't that they never attack military targets....but rather they prefer to and primarily attack civilian targets.
The average year in Israel involves hundreds, if not thousands of indiscriminate attacks on civilians. Each one is a war crime. It's hard to think of a more compassionate, gentler, or patient military response to this sustained terrorism threat than that of the Israeli military. If our neighbors, like Mexico for example, were to do this to us for just one year....we would destroy and annex the entire nation of Mexico in response.
No. First, Israel should do the militarily smart thing and bomb all they can to soften them up and destroy infrastructure and positions. Boots-on-the-ground type stuff is much more dangerous, and I'd like to see as few as possible innocent young Israeli soldiers killed in a war they didn't ask for and don't want.
Well look, America already was surprised by its 9/11. For all we know, there could be another kind of massive attack being planned as we speak. Again I repeat, I don't think you understand radical Islam. They are very devious, very patient, completely devoted, and are in it for the long haul. This clash of civilizations will continue regardless of what the Israel or the West does. There is no reason not to attempt the destruction of Hamas.
We both know the IDF does not target civilians, as punishment or war strategy or anything else. It has everything to lose if it did so. Assuming this report is true, Wael is technically a civilian, the same as Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels was a civilian. If you are contributing to the enemy's war effort, you are a legitimate target.I'll give you an example from today. The IDF says it doesn't target civilians, yet after claiming that Al Jazeera is a propaganda mouthpiece for Hamas, the house where Al Jazeera’s Gaza bureau chief Wael al-Dahdouh's family was taking refuge in the Nuseirat refugee camp (a "safe" area) in Central Gaza was hit during an Israeli air strike, killing his wife, son, and daughter along with other family members.
Family of Al Jazeera journalist killed in Israeli strike, network says
Al Jazeera said the wife, son and daughter of one of its correspondents in Gaza were killed on Wednesday night in an Israeli air strike that the Hamas-run enclave's health ministry said killed at least 25 people.www.reuters.com
That works when fighting standing armies, not terrorist groups. Do you think when Hamas was planning their attack on October 7th, they believed Israel would raise their hands in defeat? No, Hamas knew that carrying out such a horrific attack on Israel would result in an overwhelming show of force and a devastating bombing campaign in Gaza. Terrorist groups exist and thrive when there is discord, chaos, injustice, and conflict; leveling homes, killing civilians, and destroying infrastructure is exactly what Hamas wants Israel to do in Gaza.
Yes, a boots-on-the ground approach is dangerous but necessary. It's also what Israeli soldiers are trained for and expected to take part in. I think everyone would be in agreement that they want to see as few lives lost as possible on both sides, including the lives of Israeli soldiers. That being said, I noticed you only mentioned Israeli soldiers. Do you feel the lives of innocent children in Gaza are less valuable than those of Israeli soldiers? Do you think the 2,900+ children that have died so far asked for war and wanted it?
I fully understand radical Islam and the threat it poses and my knowledge on the subject didn't begin with the events that occured on 9/11.
Wael wasn't targeted. He was in northern Gaza continuing to report on the war when his family was killed. When they evacuated to the south as they were told to do, he stayed behind.
No not wrong - the Iranian people are subject to a tyrannical regime, that cares nothing about what the people want.
Actually I'm not going to paly the "you asked me more than I asked you" game.
Yes because they want people to focus on their enemies actions and not theirs. And we have so many willing accomplices in that. All those Palestinian supporters in the west who refuse to decry all their actions but are more than willing to decry Israel's in response.
I think that's exactly what Israelis should do. They should worry more about the safety of their own people than those if the enemy. That's how you win a war. It's far more interesting that Israel has actually done things to try a limit civilian casualties. Exactly the opposite of what Hamas has done. They want to maximize civilian casualties.
And we are told his family was killed. Who are the ones that told him this? Do we trust them? Do we trust him? Quite frankly I don't trust anything that comes from Hamas or anyone that supports Hamas.
Yesterday in the Nuseirat refugee camp in central Gaza.
www.independent.co.uk
It works in urban warfare whether it's an army or a group.
And they're getting what they want. Hopefully they'll continue to get what they want until none of them are left un-killed or un-captured.
I'm sure you know military service in Israel is mandatory. I'm sure they'd rather be doing something else. Unlike Hamas, the IDF is not a demonic death cult that loves death.
You agreed with what I said about Israeli soldiers, and then still tried to twist it against me. Disingenuous.
I'd rather not comment much on specific incidents until facts are substantiated. We've already seen several lies perpetrated by the Hamas-leaning media which were later disproven.
If Hamas put children and babies next to military targets they will pay, whether they killed them first or waited for a bombardment they are responsible. They are hoping for babies to be killed so they can hold the dead bodies up to CNN cameras and plead they are the victims. They are true cowards.
My response was in the context of the previous posts exchanged between you and I. When I said "That works when fighting standing armies, not terrorist groups," I was referring to the subject we were discussing which was defeating Hamas. Bombing to soften up targets and destroying infrastructure benefits Hamas.
My question was sincere. You failed to include Palestinians in your post and that's why I asked if you value the lives of Israeli soldiers over theirs. In my response to you, all lives have same value. I wasn't trying to twist anything and I apologize if it came across that way.
In war the idea is to kill more of the enemy than die on your side. This reminds me of the Japanese, a fanatical civilian population very much supportive of their military. As in Japan, the people of Gaza are not protesting the cowardly acts of Hamas. The Japanese could be brutal and sadistic, and they did kill babies at times, but even for them I think the targeting of babies would have hit them at some level of conscience. So tragically, when you have such fanatical civilians who themselves are willing to kill Israelis and sacrifice their own children the "count" of lives sadly cannot be a matter of concern. They have targeted babies and other innocents, something Israel and the rest of the civilized world will not do, and there should be no quest to even out the numbers until the next attack by the jihadists.
The New York Times, the same publication that downplayed the plight of the Jews under Nazi control. They are publishing unverified stories.
