Why was the Priesthood Changed?

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It is the Actual scriptures that I believe should direct men, as they directed the faithful in the Bible. Not the religions of this world who have always rejected God's Commandments, Judgments and Statutes. As the Jesus "of the Bible" teaches.


John 4: 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
May I quote scripture?
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days, which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Colossians 2:16-17
Now, have those things not come yet?
 
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May I quote scripture?
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days, which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Colossians 2:16-17
Now, have those things not come yet?

So then, in your religion, do your teachers teach you this verse makes Jesus Word's Void, so you don't have to address HIS Words, nor the statements you make which contradict Him?? This is what I meant when I said you are not interested in examining and discussing Scriptures, only in justifying your adopted religion. And if I answer your question, which is to point out to you that there are Prophesies described in the Feasts of the Lord "of the bible", that have yet to be fulfilled, and that is why Paul told me not to let men Judge me for honoring God in them, and also why Paul instructed the Body of the Christ "of the Bible" "Let us Keep the Feast", will you reconsider? Or simply continue serving one of this world's "many" religions who come in His Name?

Rom. 1: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature (Religions of this world) more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
 
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And if I answer your question, which is to point out to you that there are Prophesies described in the Feasts of the Lord "of the bible", that have yet to be fulfilled, and that is why Paul told me not to let men Judge me for honoring God in them, and also why Paul instructed the Body of the Christ "of the Bible" "Let us Keep the Feast", will you reconsider?
By all respect brother. You have made yourself guilty of adding to God's word. The audience Paul was speaking to was both Jews and gentiles.

Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (touch not; taste not; handle not; which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? Colossians 2:20-22

You think keeping feast days will guide you to heaven? Then you will fail. God wants our obedience, not our sacrifices. We cannot be OT Israel. I am not a blood Israelite. Had I lived in OT Israel, I would've been be able to marry an Israelite woman, just as Moses' wife was no blood Israelite either, but I would not have been able to enter the sanctuary.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28

Since gentiles have been cleansed, see Acts 10.
 
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By all respect brother. You have made yourself guilty of adding to God's word. The audience Paul was speaking to was both Jews and gentiles.

Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (touch not; taste not; handle not; which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? Colossians 2:20-22


Why do you Judge God's instruction in righteousness as "Rudiments of this world" and "Commandments and Doctrines of men"??

Where did Jesus, or ANY of the Scriptures accuse God or His Commandments as being "From this world", or "Doctrines of men"?

This is why I ask you, "Who is teaching you this stuff"?

In Acts 15, here is what the apostles told the Gentile converts.

"That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

"touch not; taste not; handle not".

This is why I "Came out" of this world's religions "who come in Christ's Name". Because they convince men, as they have convinced you, to reject God as just another man. And God's commandments the Jesus of the Bible said to keep, as "doctrines of men". That God's instruction is no different than satan's (prince of this world) instruction.

You have ADDED to God's Word by preaching to others that God and His Instruction are "Rudiments of this world" and commandments and Doctrines of men. Paul wasn't teaching this at all.

Will you even consider these things?

Or will you ignore them as you did the last Words of the Christ I posted, and try and find another Scripture to Justify an adopted religious philosophy of this world?


You think keeping feast days will guide you to heaven?

No. That is not true, and you can find nowhere that I said so. If I'm lusting after the neighbors wife, keeping God's Feasts will not benefit me.

But I do believe God's Holy Scriptures should guide men.

Ex. 20: 6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Matt. 19: 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Rom. 2: 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Acts 5: 29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

So in just these few verses, there are volumes more, The God and Father of the Jesus of the Bible, the Jesus of the Bible Himself, Peter and Paul are instructing all men to Yield themselves" servants to Obey God.

While you have been convinced that God is just another man, no different than any man. And His Word's and commandments are nothing more than "Rudiments of this world" and "doctrines and commandments of men". Implying that God is no different than Zues, or Mithra, or Venus.

How does this teaching of yours "Glorify God"? It doesn't, and Paul explains this as well.

Rom. 1: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

But as Jesus said, "Men Love Darkness", so they choose their religion over God's actual instruction. As I posted before, and you also ignored. "Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

God's Commandments are not "Rudiments of this world" or "commandments and Doctrines of men". To the religions of this world you have adopted, perhaps, but that isn't what Paul is teaching in Col 2.

Then you will fail.

That is satan's message to all in this world, who deny themselves and "Yield themselves" servants to obey God. They told Caleb and Joshua the same thing.


God wants our obedience, not our sacrifices.

Yes, to "OBEY" is better than a Sin Offering.


We cannot be OT Israel. I am not a blood Israelite.

An Israelite is and has always been one of the heart. You don't know this, because you have been trained by this world's religions.

Lev. 19: 34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Had I lived in OT Israel, I would've been be able to marry an Israelite woman, just as Moses' wife was no blood Israelite either, but I would not have been able to enter the sanctuary.

What are you even talking about.

Moses was not made "unclean" because he married a woman who adopted the "way of the Lord". She was to be considered as "One that was born among them".

Who teaches you this stuff?

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28

Since gentiles have been cleansed, see Acts 10.

This is as it was always supposed to be Nils. Read the Inspired Word of God, don't just blindly adopt the religious doctrines and traditions of man that this world's religions promote.

Was Rebab accepted by God?? Was Moses wife accepted by God?? Were they not considered by "GOD" as "One that was born an Israelite" as God instructed in His Commandment that I posted for your review and examination?

Now what will you do? Will you answer my simple questions? Consider the warnings of Jesus about those "many" who come in His Name?? Consider that "perhaps the God of Abraham and His Words are superior to Buddha, or Venus or Zeus, all gods of this world?

Maybe when Paul was talking about "Rudiments of this world" and "Doctrines and Commandments of men" he wasn't Talking about the One True God's instructions, but actual doctrines and commandments of men.

Food for thought.
 
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Why do you Judge God's instruction in righteousness as "Rudiments of this world" and "Commandments and Doctrines of men"??
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Heb 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
Where did Jesus, or ANY of the Scriptures accuse God or His Commandments as being "From this world", or "Doctrines of men"?
The old testament tabernacle, was worldly and had ordinances concerning the place and the people.
Which Christ speaking of the "seat of Moses" spoke to obedience to.
Mt 23: 2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do;

Here is the law on "they of that place"
Dt 17.
8 ¶ If there arise a matter too hard for thee in judgment, between blood and blood, between plea and plea, and between stroke and stroke, being matters of controversy within thy gates: then shalt thou arise, and get thee up into the place which the LORD thy God shall choose;
9 And thou shalt come unto the priests the Levites, and unto the judge that shall be in those days, and enquire; and they shall shew thee the sentence of judgment:

10 And thou shalt do according to the sentence, which they of that place which the LORD shall choose shall shew thee; and thou shalt observe to do according to all that they inform thee:
11 According to the sentence of the law which they shall teach thee, and according to the judgment which they shall tell thee, thou shalt do: thou shalt not decline from the sentence which they shall shew thee, to the right hand, nor to the left.

12 And the man that will do presumptuously, and will not hearken unto the priest that standeth to minister there before the LORD thy God, or unto the judge, even that man shall die: and thou shalt put away the evil from Israel.
13 And all the people shall hear, and fear, and do no more presumptuously.

NOTICE Jesus making a distinction between The seat of Moses and the teachings of a "SECT"

2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

The seat of moses transcends sectarians, in that the decisions reached from their were neither Sadducee, nor Pharisee. But positions of authority judges and priesthood. They agreed together in the decisions handed down in agreement with Deut 17.
This is why I ask you, "Who is teaching you this stuff"?
What stuff are you teaching?
The seat of Moses Concerned those of that place. The worldly earthly statutes, concerning an earthly worldly tabernacle.
Which the law gives authority to in judgement and teaching
Lev 10:8 ¶ And the LORD spake unto Aaron, saying,
9 Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:
10 And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;
11 And that ye may teach the children of Israel all the statutes which the LORD hath spoken unto them by the hand of Moses
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But I do believe God's Holy Scriptures should guide men.
Read the above. The preisthood very much established teachings of the law.
Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

God's Commandments are not "Rudiments of this world" or "commandments and Doctrines of men".
For a worldly Tabernacle they were according to Hebrews.
Maybe when Paul was talking about "Rudiments of this world" and "Doctrines and Commandments of men" he wasn't Talking about the One True God's instructions, but actual doctrines and commandments of men.

Food for thought.
For a worldly tabernacle, and it rudiments by the authority of they of that place. God gave that authority.
De 21:5 And the priests the sons of Levi shall come near; for them the LORD thy God hath chosen to minister unto him, and to bless in the name of the LORD; and by their word shall every controversy and every stroke be tried:

Mal 2:7 For the priest’s lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

Maybe consider tendencies towards Phariseeism in ourselves? Not acknowledging the authority of the priesthood given by GOD, in the law , so as to not usurp it completly like those sectarians?
 
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That is satan's message to all in this world, who deny themselves and "Yield themselves" servants to obey God. They told Caleb and Joshua the same thing.
Such a foolish argument. To deny yourself is to keep Christ's least commandments about lust, adultery, murder, enemy love etc., not avoiding to eat certain things.

He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. Matthew 19:8

This alone is an example of a temporary and non-universal law. Moses made no mistake, he merely taught what he was revealed.
 
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Such a foolish argument. To deny yourself is to keep Christ's least commandments about lust, adultery, murder, enemy love etc., not avoiding to eat certain things.

He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. Matthew 19:8

This alone is an example of a temporary and non-universal law. Moses made no mistake, he merely taught what he was revealed.
1Ti 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
 
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Heb 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

The old testament tabernacle, was worldly and had ordinances concerning the place and the people.

So you think the Colossians were priests in the Temple administering to God in the Priesthood?
Which Christ speaking of the "seat of Moses" spoke to obedience to.
Mt 23: 2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do;

Yes, the Jesus of the Bible did said this.

I don't agree with your philosophy that Jesus is instructing His Disciple and the Multitude to observe "Rudiments of this world", manmade religious philosophies or religious doctrines and traditions of men? He wanted them to know "the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." Moses was chosen for that very purpose. At least this is what the Jesus "of the Bible" teaches.

John 5: 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Luke 16: 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

But you are promoting the philosophy that Moses gave us "Rudiments of this world" and Commandments of men". Doesn't Paul warn the Colossians of this very thing?

Col. 2: 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition "of men", after the rudiments "of the world", and not after Christ. Is the Jesus of the Bible, "spoiling me" by directing me to Trust Moses?

God did place His Temporary tabernacle among men, and separated Levi to administer before him in the Priest's office. But God's Judgment of Clean and Unclean foods had already been established in Noah's time. And God's Sabbath and His Feast of Passover, and Feast of Unleavened Bread as well, all existing even before God separated Levi, and had the Holy of Holies built. To imply that these Statutes Jesus walked in, are "Rudiments of this world" and "Traditions of men" is certainly a popular religious tradition.

But what if God's instruction is Holy, Spiritual, Just and Good, and not Rudiments of this world, vain deceit, traditions of men? What if they are from above and not below as you imply? What if the Philosophies and religious traditions of this world you and Nils have adopted, are the rudiments of this world, and the Words and instruction in righteousness of God, are Truth?

What if God's Commandments are not "Rudiments of this world"? What if Jesus is telling you the Truth about the Pharisees, and they were NOT promoting God's Laws, but their own Traditions and Commandments of Men.

20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, 21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not; 22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

What does Paul teach Gentile Converts to do, when their own traditions caused them to transgress "God's Commandments"?

Acts 15: 20 But that we write unto them, (The Apostles, including Paul) that they abstain (touch not, taste not, handle not) pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

So please answer this question honestly and try not to let this world's religions influence you in the answer, if that is possible.

You are preaching that these are examples of (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

Why does Paul tell the Gentile Converts to "Touch not; taste not; handle not" those things which are forbidden by God's Word in Acts, but now, according to you, Paul has completely flipped 180 degrees?


Maybe consider tendencies towards Phariseeism in ourselves? Not acknowledging the authority of the priesthood given by GOD, in the law , so as to not usurp it completly like those sectarians?

If a man doesn't know the difference between God's definition of Holy, Clean and Good, and the religious men of this world's definition of the same, how can their righteousness exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees, who were also "ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God."?
 
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Such a foolish argument. To deny yourself is to keep Christ's least commandments about lust, adultery, murder, enemy love etc., not avoiding to eat certain things.

He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. Matthew 19:8

This alone is an example of a temporary and non-universal law. Moses made no mistake, he merely taught what he was revealed.

Here is what the Jesus of the Bible actually said. I wish you would stop misrepresenting Him just to justify one of this world's religious philosophies and tradition of men.

9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Here is what Moses said;

Deut. 24: 1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.

Consider what this same Christ said, "When HE was up where HE was before".

Jer. 3: 8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

9 And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks.

10 And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith the LORD.

Bride and groom are to become one, as it was from the beginning. But if the woman strays to another, and become an unclean harlot, then Jesus and Moses said to write her a bill of divorcement. Jesus and Moses and the Prophets, on the same page as it is written. But not this world's religious philosophy you are promoting.

I know, those pesky Scriptures. Always getting in the way of man's religious traditions. Perhaps you should consider ditching your adopted philosophy and trust the Scriptures like Paul did.

Just a thought.
 
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So you think the Colossians were priests in the Temple administering to God in the Priesthood?


Yes, the Jesus of the Bible did said this.

I don't agree with your philosophy that Jesus is instructing His Disciple and the Multitude to observe "Rudiments of this world", manmade religious philosophies or religious doctrines and traditions of men? He wanted them to know "the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." Moses was chosen for that very purpose. At least this is what the Jesus "of the Bible" teaches.

John 5: 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Luke 16: 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

But you are promoting the philosophy that Moses gave us "Rudiments of this world" and Commandments of men". Doesn't Paul warn the Colossians of this very thing?

Col. 2: 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition "of men", after the rudiments "of the world", and not after Christ. Is the Jesus of the Bible, "spoiling me" by directing me to Trust Moses?

God did place His Temporary tabernacle among men, and separated Levi to administer before him in the Priest's office. But God's Judgment of Clean and Unclean foods had already been established in Noah's time. And God's Sabbath and His Feast of Passover, and Feast of Unleavened Bread as well, all existing even before God separated Levi, and had the Holy of Holies built. To imply that these Statutes Jesus walked in, are "Rudiments of this world" and "Traditions of men" is certainly a popular religious tradition.

But what if God's instruction is Holy, Spiritual, Just and Good, and not Rudiments of this world, vain deceit, traditions of men? What if they are from above and not below as you imply? What if the Philosophies and religious traditions of this world you and Nils have adopted, are the rudiments of this world, and the Words and instruction in righteousness of God, are Truth?

What if God's Commandments are not "Rudiments of this world"? What if Jesus is telling you the Truth about the Pharisees, and they were NOT promoting God's Laws, but their own Traditions and Commandments of Men.

20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, 21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not; 22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

What does Paul teach Gentile Converts to do, when their own traditions caused them to transgress "God's Commandments"?

Acts 15: 20 But that we write unto them, (The Apostles, including Paul) that they abstain (touch not, taste not, handle not) pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

So please answer this question honestly and try not to let this world's religions influence you in the answer, if that is possible.

You are preaching that these are examples of (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

Why does Paul tell the Gentile Converts to "Touch not; taste not; handle not" those things which are forbidden by God's Word in Acts, but now, according to you, Paul has completely flipped 180 degrees?




If a man doesn't know the difference between God's definition of Holy, Clean and Good, and the religious men of this world's definition of the same, how can their righteousness exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees, who were also "ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God."?
This does not address my post .
 
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This does not address my post .

I addressed the foundation of your religious post, which is founded on untruths.

The Jews were not promoting God's commandments to the Colossians. They were promoting religious philosophies, Traditions and commandments of men.

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

The Jesus "of the Bible" confirms this.

Mark 7: 6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Not God as you promote)

8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. (Touch not, handle not after the traditions of man, Not God as you promote)

9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

If you can't come to the truth about the Words of the Christ "of the Bible", regarding the Jews religion, then how can you possibly accept the Truth about Paul Words, who was inspired by the same Christ?
 
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I addressed the foundation of your religious post, which is founded on untruths.
No you did not and still are not.
If you can't come to the truth about the Words of the Christ "of the Bible", regarding the Jews religion, then how can you possibly accept the Truth about Paul Words, who was inspired by the same Christ?
Joh 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
 
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LOLOLOL.

OOOOKKKK Nils, whatever you say.


LOL.
I have a bit of a problem to take ya serious. You make the mistake the pharisees made - misinterpreting Moses' law and create commandments God did not make. Your fault, not Moses'.
 
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