Where does our sin come from?

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. (Ro 8:7–10)​

It seems obvious that our sin comes from the flesh. It is at war with God, is not subject to His laws, and can't be made to conform. If the Spirit of God and of Christ live in us, our bodies are dead because of sin, but our spirits are alive because of the righteousness we possess in Christ.

 

[BobRyan]

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping the commandments of God"
1 John 3:4 "sin is transgression of the Law"
James 2 - if you violate the commandments of God you are convicted/guilty -- the law convicts of sin.
Rom 3:19-20 all mankind is doomed / condemned by the Law -- and they need salvation.

1 John 2:3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; 5 but whoever follows His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: 6 the one who says that he remains in Him ought, himself also, walk just as He walked.

1 John 2:1 "These things I write that you sin not"
1 John 1:9 "IF WE confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins AND to cleanse us from all unrighteousness"

Rom 6:
14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under the Law but under grace.
15 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under the Law but under grace? Far from it! 16 Do you not know that the one to whom you present yourselves as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of that same one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

 

[Lost4words]

From the fall of man....

 

[trophy33]

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. (Ro 8:7–10)​

It seems obvious that sin comes from the flesh. It is at war with God, is not subject to His laws, and can't be made to conform. If the Spirit of God and of Christ live in us, our bodies are dead because of sin, but our spirits are alive because of the righteousness we possess in Christ.

Angels sin too, but have no flesh, so sin does not come only from flesh.

It comes from the nature of things - every creature is limited (for example in knowledge, in moral character etc.) and makes mistakes in judgement and actions.

In humans, our animal flesh (with all its animal drives and inclinations) is certainly another (not exclusive) source of sins.

 

[bling]

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. (Ro 8:7–10)​

It seems obvious that sin comes from the flesh. It is at war with God, is not subject to His laws, and can't be made to conform. If the Spirit of God and of Christ live in us, our bodies are dead because of sin, but our spirits are alive because of the righteousness we possess in Christ.

God created beings with free will and allows them to sin, but that can help them in fulfill their objective.

We cannot be made to not sin and still be able to fulfill our objective.

It is not free will’s fault or God’s fault it is just the fact that mature adults cannot fulfill their earthly objective without sinning.

 

[BobRyan]

mature adults cannot fulfill their earthly objective without sinning.

???

1 John 2:1 "These things I write that you sin not"
1 John 1:9 "IF WE confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins AND to cleanse us from all unrighteousness"

Rom 6:
14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under the Law but under grace.
15 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under the Law but under grace? Far from it! 16 Do you not know that the one to whom you present yourselves as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of that same one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

 

[bling]

???

1 John 2:1 "These things I write that you sin not"
1 John 1:9 "IF WE confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins AND to cleanse us from all unrighteousness"

Rom 6:
14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under the Law but under grace.
15 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under the Law but under grace? Far from it! 16 Do you not know that the one to whom you present yourselves as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of that same one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

Sorry, I might need to be a little more specific: prior to becoming a Christian the mature adult will sin. After becoming a Christian you do not have to sin again.

 

[BobRyan]

Sorry, I might need to be a little more specific: prior to becoming a Christian the mature adult will sin. After becoming a Christian you do not have to sin again.

yep - that is what Romans 8:4-12 says - no doubt about it. So also Romans 6 --- we are no longer to be a slave to sin where we simply "do not , and also can not - obey"

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

Angels sin too, but have no flesh, so sin does not come only from flesh.

It comes from the nature of things - every creature is limited (for example in knowledge, in moral character etc.) and makes mistakes in judgement and actions.

In humans, our animal flesh (with all its animal drives and inclinations) is certainly another (not exclusive) source of sins.

Jesus said, "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. These are the things which defile a man" (Mt 15:19–20).

Jesus knows better than anyone else where sin come from, and He told us plainly that it comes from out of the heart.

Jeremiah agreed when he said:

The heart is deceitful above all things,
And desperately wicked;
Who can know it? (Je 17:9)

We may call it "a sinful heart", or "our fallen nature", or "the flesh". The name is not that important. What's important is to recognize there is a single source inside each of us where sins originate. That source of sin is what causes us to be defiled.

If we want to overcome sin, we must overcome the source of our sins. That's why Jesus told us that we needed to be born of the Spirit of God. When God gives birth to us, we get Jesus' holy and righteous eternal life. And then, the law of the Spirit (which says there is life in Christ Jesus) sets us free from the law that says our sins condemn us to death (Ro 8:2). And then we know that our sinful nature has been completely delt with... because there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ (Ro 8:1).

There is much more to be said on this, but it must wait until later.

 

[trophy33]

Jesus said, "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. These are the things which defile a man" (Mt 15:19–20).

....

We may call it "a sinful heart", or "our fallen nature", or "the flesh". The name is not that important. What's important is to recognize there is a single source inside each of us where sins originate...

Biblical heart is a figurative term meaning the place where our emotions and desires come from. Jesus was not answering a question about more fine division of this place or if it is the only source, so it cannot be used for that.

One source certainly is our flesh (hormones, brain functions, microbiome, mitochondria...).

Other source can be a bad upbringing, culture, habits. Diseases, imbalances. Even wrong food, sodas or various substances like alcohol.

Other sources of sins are metaphysical, for example our limitations, misjudgments, mistakes.

 

[honey badger]

Where does sin come from?​

a sense of lack ...

 

[Maria Billingsley]

It seems obvious that sin comes from the flesh

I fully agree. " ...the flesh is weak but the Spirit is willing "..
Blessings.

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

I fully agree. " ...the flesh is weak but the Spirit is willing "..
Blessings.

Isn't Galatians 5:17 super instructive?

"For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another." (Ga 5:17)​

The desires of the flesh are in conflict with the desires of the Spirit. The desires of the Spirit are in conflict with the desires of the flesh. The flesh and the Spirit are in adversarial opposition to one another.

That is why "walking in the Spirit" is the only way to not fulfill the desires of the flesh. (Gal 5:16)

And there is no way to stop the flesh from being in adversarial opposition to the Spirit. That is why wise sounding "religious" practices have no value against the indulgence of the flesh. (Col 2:23)

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

Biblical heart is a figurative term meaning the place where our emotions and desires come from. Jesus was not answering a question about more fine division of this place or if it is the only source, so it cannot be used for that.

I agree that Jesus was not speaking of the organ in the center of our chests that pumps blood. But He was addressing the fact that sin originates from inside of people and comes out of them. It doesn't come into them from the outside.

One source certainly is our flesh (hormones, brain functions, microbiome, mitochondria...).

Similar to the "heart" not being a reference to the blood-pumping organ, the "flesh" is not simply a reference to our physical makeup (i.e., flesh and blood). In one context, however, "flesh and blood" can be seen as the source of our problem with sin.

Jesus said, "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit" (Jn 3:6) Our physical being, which we inherited from Adam though our parents, is corrupt and alienated from God. But our spirits, which we inherited from God through Spiritual birth, is alive to God and free from sin. Thankfully, one day the corrupt flesh we inherited from Adam will go away, and our spirits will be clothed with an eternal habitation from God (2 Cor 5:1-3).

Other source can be a bad upbringing, culture, habits. Diseases, imbalances. Even wrong food, sodas or various substances like alcohol. Other sources of sins are metaphysical, for example our limitations, misjudgments, mistakes.

I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing. Certainly you can't be saying, for instance, that eating the wrong food turns an otherwise righteous person into a sinner.

 

[WilliamK76]

Sin is a fallen nature that is completely contrary to the Nature of God. It’s a consequence that God willed to come about through the agency of another aka (Lucifer/Satan) as a necessary element so to speak in the process of His plan and eternal purpose of Redemption. If we had no sin, we would need no Christ. How the warped mutation could come about in thought, will, and intent in a holy being created by God must forever remain a mystery way beyond anyone’s capacity to think or reason lol.

 

[GDL]

Where does sin come from?​

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. (Ro 8:7–10)​

It seems obvious that sin comes from the flesh. It is at war with God, is not subject to His laws, and can't be made to conform. If the Spirit of God and of Christ live in us, our bodies are dead because of sin, but our spirits are alive because of the righteousness we possess in Christ.

What you said plus 1John3:7-8; John8:44; James1:14-15. Sin did not originate from man. Sin comes from within and from without.

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

Where does sin come from?​

What you said plus 1John3:7-8; John8:44; James1:14-15. Sin did not originate from man. Sin comes from within and from without.

Sure, sin originated with satan. There is no question about that. The OP is about the source of our own sins. Maybe I should have titled it, "Where do our sins come from?" Flip Wilson would say, "The devil made me do it." But we have no one to blame but ourselves that we are sinners in need of a Savior.

Why do I bring this up? Because there are many in CF that say rihtness with God is through obedience to His laws. They don't address the fact that all their efforts to be obedient are destroyed by their own dissobedience. Some will admit they are sinners and need Christ's forgiveness (amazingly some don't), but then they go right back to performance-based righteousness even claiming forgiveness is dependent on right living.

If they could see that their flesh is in adversarial opposition with God's Spirit, then maybe they can learn that their righteousness is in Christ and that the sins of their flesh are forgiven. And then they will come out from under the curse of the law. At least that's my hope.

 

[Aaron112]

Disobedience is sin.

 

[Aaron112]

Where does sin come from?​

a sense of lack ...

Where does war come from ....
a sense of lack .... (they want and do not have , so they go to war to get it)

 

[Aaron112]

From the fall of man....

biblegateway.com › verse › Romans 5:12

Sin came into the world through one man,

and his sin brought death with it.

As a result, death has spread to the whole human race because everyone has sinned.