Nebraska governor signs order narrowly defining sex as that assigned at birth

[Mayzoo]

If/when enough transgender men get arrested while using the women's restroom, have the charges dropped, and then win their wrongful imprisonment lawsuits against the state, the law may change. Money talks after all.

They would of course have to survive the arrest and subsequent imprisonment to bring the suit.

 

[rjs330]

Who is going to enforce this? Do you really think police are going to be staking out bathrooms? This is all politics and in reality changes nothing about public restrooms. It may stop trans people from competing in women’s sports and using dressing rooms but as far as public restrooms I think they have nothing to worry about.

Yes especially if they look just like the opposite sex. No one is going to know.

 

[RDKirk]

Hmm... A quick look didn't turn up anything verifiable by police records. What do you have?

Took maybe five seconds to find:

Skirt-wearing male student is found guilty of raping a 15-year-old girl in a school bathroom in Loudoun County, Virginia | Standing for Freedom Center

In a case that has galvanized parents fighting against woke school boards that seem to put their own ideology above the education and well-being of children, a male student who identifies as “gender fluid” has been found guilty of raping a 15-year-old female in a high school bathroom in Loudoun...

www.standingforfreedom.com

 

[rjs330]

Think about "whites only" restrooms and water fountains. How did that go?

Seriously we've had the Men's and Women's restrooms forever and we had no trouble. There's no need to change that. Men who look like men don't belong in the woman's restroom no matter how much make up they slap on.

Now suddenly it's equal to Jim Crow and racism?

Why does everything have equate with racism with you guys. Don't you have anything better than that tired mantra?

 

[rjs330]

Doesn't matter. The evidence is presented. Reality might be annoying, but denying it won't do you any good.

There is no scientific discovery that has discovered men are actually women. It's sounds like reality is being dismissed by the left on this.

 

[Mayzoo]

This affects more than transgenders. Mothers can no longer take 3+-year-old sons with them in public as the 3-year-old boy would need to use the incorrect restroom and the mom would be violating the law. I guess just keep the kids in diapers as long as you can and hope you do not need to use the restroom yourself. This also affects young adult disabled people who are not able to use the restroom alone as they can no longer go out in public with opposite-sex parents or caregivers. No family restroom? Just stay home!! Who needs to buy groceries anyway!!

And the pendulum swings back. This law does accomplish keeping those undesirables (disabled) out of public view like we used to do decades ago. No one wants to see those who are different from them out in public anyway. They just need to stay home and not be seen anyway! And mothers of young boys (or dads of young daughters) just need to stay home or hire babysitters so they can go out and buy groceries.

 

[rjs330]

Misclassification already causes problems:
Epidemiology 2019 Sep;30(5):669-678

Misclassification of Sex Assigned at Birth in the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System and Transgender Reproductive Health: A Quantitative Bias Analysis ​

Results: ​

Combined BRFSS data from 2014, 2015, and 2016 included 1078 transgender women, 701 transgender men, and 450 gender nonconforming individuals. Sex assigned at birth was misclassified among 29.6% of transgender women and 30.2% of transgender men.​

Now imagine the mess when the government gets into the gender classification business. Sure, it's only a few tens of thousands of people. But why should they go through life with the wrong "official gender" just because they happened to have ambigous anatomy at birth? Presently, if the initial classification is wrong, a genetic test and maybe therapy can make them consistently whatever their genes say. Now, in Nebraska, that's illegal.

The nutcases think they can use the fist of government to make this better. But in these cases, they'd make it worse. Notice that the evidence suggests that "transgendered" people are often those who were incorrectly assigned gender at birth. Nebraska wants to make sure that such errors are locked down. The irony is that they might actually be causing more transgenderism.

Why don't you give us the link to this so we can read it for ourselves.

 

[The Barbarian]

Took maybe five seconds to find:

Skirt-wearing male student is found guilty of raping a 15-year-old girl in a school bathroom in Loudoun County, Virginia | Standing for Freedom Center

In a case that has galvanized parents fighting against woke school boards that seem to put their own ideology above the education and well-being of children, a male student who identifies as “gender fluid” has been found guilty of raping a 15-year-old female in a high school bathroom in Loudoun...

www.standingforfreedom.com

That's because the assailant and the victim had a relationship, and had met in the bathroom for sexual activity previously. According to The Washington Post:

On Monday, the teenage victim of the Stone Bridge assault testified that she and her attacker had agreed to meet up in a school bathroom around 12:15 p.m. on the date of the assault. She testified they had not explicitly discussed having sex beforehand.

The teen testified she arrived first and chose to go in the girls' bathroom because the two had always met in the girls' bathrooms in the past. When the boy arrived, the teen testified, he came into the handicapped stall she was in and locked the door...
The attacker was convicted of what certainly sounds like vicious and violent behavior. But he did not target a random student, and he did not choose the girls bathroom because of his gender identity.

"Obviously, the fact that the girl had previously had consensual sex with the male teenager does not mean that the May 28 incident was not a rape or that it should be treated more leniently," wrote Cathy Young in a piece for Arc Digital. "But it does mean, at the very least, that the boy did not ambush a random girl after using his supposed 'genderfluid' status to enter the bathroom; he and the victim had been using it for prior sexual encounters."

The Daily Wire's reporting also gave readers the strong impression that the school was initially reluctant to involve law enforcement in the matter; journalist Jesse Singal obtained police dispatch logs that "strongly dispute" this notion.

None of this means that the matter was handled perfectly by school, police, or district officials—or that Smith's fury was unjustified. But it does mean that conservatives shouldn't hold up the Loudoun County sexual assault as a cautionary tale about the supposed dangers of letting trans students use women's bathrooms. If anything, it's a cautionary tale about credulously assuming the worst when it would be maximally politically convenient to do so.

 

[The Barbarian]

Why don't you give us the link to this so we can read it for ourselves.

It's easy to get on PubMed or Google Scholar, but here's the link:

Misclassification of Sex Assigned at Birth in the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System and Transgender Reproductive Health: A Quantitative Bias Analysis - PubMed

Our results demonstrate that the BRFSS methodology introduces substantial uncertainty into reproductive health measures, which could bias population-based estimates. These findings emphasize the importance of implementing validated sex and gender questions in health surveillance surveys. See...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[The Barbarian]

I still don't see an actual case of a transgender male raping a girl in a restroom. Not that I have proof there isn't one, but the one cited is not such a case.

 

[rjs330]

This affects more than transgenders. Mothers can no longer take 3+-year-old sons with them in public as the 3-year-old boy would need to use the incorrect restroom and the mom would be violating the law. I guess just keep the kids in diapers as long as you can and hope you do not need to use the restroom yourself. This also affects young adult disabled people who are not able to use the restroom alone as they can no longer go out in public with opposite-sex parents or caregivers. No family restroom? Just stay home!! Who needs to buy groceries anyway!!

And the pendulum swings back. This law does accomplish keeping those undesirables (disabled) out of public view like we used to do decades ago. No one wants to see those who are different from them out in public anyway. They just need to stay home and not be seen anyway! And mothers of young boys (or dads of young daughters) just need to stay home or hire babysitters so they can go out and buy groceries.

Oh I know. We've had mothers take their son's into the women's bathroom and fathers take their daughters into the men's bathroom and disabled people with caregivers for years and years. And we've had ALL KINDS of problems right? I mean people filing complaints right and left, mothers, fathers caregivers all being confronted and harassed over it.

You post is nothing but scare mongering. No woman is going to complain over a mother taking their small child into the women's restroom. You've gat a pretty bad view of women for sure.

 

[HARK!]

Hmm... A quick look didn't turn up anything verifiable by police records. What do you have?

This story presents a particularly egregious chain of events. I remember posting it on it when it was current news.

Disgusting.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/loudoun-schools-sex-assault-allegations/2021/10/13/02d3f144-2c61-11ec-8ef6-3ca8fe943a92_story.html

 

[rjs330]

It's easy to get on PubMed or Google Scholar, but here's the link:

Misclassification of Sex Assigned at Birth in the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System and Transgender Reproductive Health: A Quantitative Bias Analysis - PubMed

Our results demonstrate that the BRFSS methodology introduces substantial uncertainty into reproductive health measures, which could bias population-based estimates. These findings emphasize the importance of implementing validated sex and gender questions in health surveillance surveys. See...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This is exactly why sex is important not gender. You can't get the proper medical treatment from the doctors if they don't know what sex you are. They make enough mistakes as it is.

 

[HARK!]

I still don't see an actual case of a transgender male raping a girl in a restroom. Not that I have proof there isn't one, but the one cited is not such a case.

See post 92.

Mainstream Media Ignore School Cover-Up of Transgender Rape Case​

The evening news broadcasts on all three major commercial networks failed to report on the Loudoun County Public School Board's alleged cover-up of a 14-year-old girl being raped by a boy in a skirt to pass a transgender bathroom policy, the Media Research Center said Wednesday.

https://www.newsmax.com/us/mainstream-media-school-board-rape-transgender/2021/10/13/id/1040308/

Here's another one:

In a recent exclusive, Post Millenial investigated a tragic rape story. The victim, a 12-year-old girl, was assaulted and violated in October 2021 by a transgender classmate in her school bathroom in New Mexico.


Last fall, a transgender student in Oklahoma beat up his female peer in a women’s bathroom. This past April, another transgender student in California fought two of his female peers. A female student complained to the school board that he had a habit of showing his genitals in women’s locker rooms and bathrooms. Another transgender student flashed four freshman girls in their locker room after a swim class in Wisconsin.

The list goes on. These stories are dangerous and hardly infrequent.

Young girl is raped in school bathroom by transgender peer

In a recent exclusive, Post Millenial investigated a tragic rape story. The victim, a 12-year-old girl, was assaulted and violated in October 2021 by a transgender classmate in her school bathroom in New Mexico. She was neglected by her school, along with several of her peers. This awful incident…

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[RocksInMyHead]

The trans activists don't want the exceptions--which are trans people, actually a small subset of trans people--handled in court. They want the broad law crafted in favor of the exceptions and against the majority.

Sure, but that's not the topic of this thread. The topic of this thread is a law that has actually been passed (not just one that activists are advocating for) that specifically targets the exceptions - something that you say is bad law.

 

[Pommer]

If/when enough transgender men get arrested while using the women's restroom, have the charges dropped, and then win their wrongful imprisonment lawsuits against the state, the law may change. Money talks after all.

They would of course have to survive the arrest and subsequent imprisonment to bring the suit.

Imagine having to go to court to go to the bathroom.

 

[Mayzoo]

Imagine having to go to court to go to the bathroom.

I would rather not. It is bad enough that a father I know personally cannot take his adult special need child with him to almost all locations as neither he nor she can use the restroom while out together, so sadly the solution is they cannot go out alone together almost anywhere.

 

[rjs330]

I would rather not. It is bad enough that a father I know personally cannot take his adult special need child with him to almost all locations as neither he nor she can use the restroom while out together, so sadly the solution is they cannot go out alone together almost anywhere.

He can't? Why not?

 

[Mayzoo]

Oh I know. We've had mothers take their son's into the women's bathroom and fathers take their daughters into the men's bathroom and disabled people with caregivers for years and years. And we've had ALL KINDS of problems right? I mean people filing complaints right and left, mothers, fathers caregivers all being confronted and harassed over it.

You post is nothing but scare mongering. No woman is going to complain over a mother taking their small child into the women's restroom. You've gat a pretty bad view of women for sure.

This state now has a law specifically stating a boy cannot be in the women's restroom and visa versa, so that rather changes things now, doesn't it? Now that this is a law, no one has to complain. An officer can arrest or give a ticket if he/she sees a mother taking her male child into the restroom or a father taking his female child into the men's room. The alternative is to tell these parents to just violate the law as it is "ok in your case", or just don't bring your opposite-sex child out with you--pay a sitter or don't buy groceries.

 

[The Barbarian]

See post 92.

It's not what you were told...

That's because the assailant and the victim had a relationship, and had met in the bathroom for sexual activity previously. According to The Washington Post:

On Monday, the teenage victim of the Stone Bridge assault testified that she and her attacker had agreed to meet up in a school bathroom around 12:15 p.m. on the date of the assault. She testified they had not explicitly discussed having sex beforehand.

The teen testified she arrived first and chose to go in the girls' bathroom because the two had always met in the girls' bathrooms in the past. When the boy arrived, the teen testified, he came into the handicapped stall she was in and locked the door...
The attacker was convicted of what certainly sounds like vicious and violent behavior. But he did not target a random student, and he did not choose the girls bathroom because of his gender identity.

"Obviously, the fact that the girl had previously had consensual sex with the male teenager does not mean that the May 28 incident was not a rape or that it should be treated more leniently," wrote Cathy Young in a piece for Arc Digital. "But it does mean, at the very least, that the boy did not ambush a random girl after using his supposed 'genderfluid' status to enter the bathroom; he and the victim had been using it for prior sexual encounters."

The Daily Wire's reporting also gave readers the strong impression that the school was initially reluctant to involve law enforcement in the matter; journalist Jesse Singal obtained police dispatch logs that "strongly dispute" this notion.

None of this means that the matter was handled perfectly by school, police, or district officials—or that Smith's fury was unjustified. But it does mean that conservatives shouldn't hold up the Loudoun County sexual assault as a cautionary tale about the supposed dangers of letting trans students use women's bathrooms. If anything, it's a cautionary tale about credulously assuming the worst when it would be maximally politically convenient to do so.

If this is all you've got, I think you just made my case for me. The first story turned out to be a fraud, with the girl in a sexual relationship with a guy who wasn't transgendered at all. Statistically, given the rate of rapes among high school students, and your information, the safest place for a girl would be with a transgendered student.