How to stop abortions

[Ivan Hlavanda]

That does not say that life begins at conception. The second one is about preconception.

Since God is the Creator of life, and He starts creating at conception, then life begins at conception.

King David said in Psalm 51 that in sin his mother conceived him, i.e. he was a sinner already. How could he be a sinner and not alive?

 

[DaisyDay]

Since God is the Creator of life, and He starts creating at conception, then life begins at conception.

King David said in Psalm 51 that in sin his mother conceived him, i.e. he was a sinner already. How could he be a sinner and not alive?

You can make the inference, but that is not the same as the Bible saying it outright.

 

[RileyG]

You can may the inference, but that is not the same as the Bible saying it outright.

That's a matter of one's interpretation where things get tricky.

 

[Mayzoo]

I agree. Women should be responsible for their children (not the fathers), and if they cannot expect the government to help them. They either suck it up or give their child away. Simple! Tough love....

Women need to be responsible, and the children should be held culpable as well. They both should be punished for the actions of the mother. Malnutrition, poor/inadequate health care, and reduced educational opportunities are just a few ways we can punish the children. Frrequently this leads to them being unproductive or underemployed adults.

It seems many feel this is a "serves them right" situation.

 

[Pommer]

That's a matter of one's interpretation where things get tricky.

Is there a “correct” interpretation?
If so, what might it be?

 

[A2SG]

It's wrong to kill an unborn child. The fact that somehow a majority was taught abortion is ok blows my mind. How is it even remotely ok? Lord, have mercy

So don't have an abortion. It's that simple.

Beyond that, though, it really isn't your call.

-- A2SG, you don't get to decide someone else's medical decisions for them, ya know.....not without their explicit power of attorney....

 

[Yttrium]

So don't have an abortion. It's that simple.

Beyond that, though, it really isn't your call.

It kinda is his call these days, if he (with others like him) can get enough lawmakers on his side.

 

[A2SG]

It kinda is his call these days, if he (with others like him) can get enough lawmakers on his side.

Wonder how he'd feel about a bill that mandated he get a vasectomy, whether he wants one or not.

-- A2SG, just curious.....

 

[Hans Blaster]

Christianity teaches not to have sex before marriage, and no divorce - don't you think such teaching will drastically reduce abortion? Or that all life is valuable? I know that there are sadly women who get raped, or are in difficult financials situtations, but millions get abortion because they have unprotected sex, are single, too young, or just get drunk etc. If people dont get drunk, and get married and then have sex and children, we will reduce abortion drastically, dont you agree?

Great. Christians should feel absolutely free to enforce such policies amongst their own members (and they do). But the rest of us don't want your church trying to turn those Christian restrictions into laws. These things are the entirety of the politics (and we heard them a bit) and most of the social commentary I heard from the pulpit growing up in the 80s.

 

[Pommer]

It kinda is his call these days, if he (with others like him) can get enough lawmakers on his side.

“Rights, schmights!”
Charming.

 

[Paidiske]

If women priests were allowed to hear a woman’s
confession.

They could talk them out of it.

Hmm...there are female Episcopal/Anglican priests and female Lutheran clergy that hear confessions (although not as common as the RCC or Orthodox Churches, it is still available to the faithful). I'm sure some women can go for confession/counsel to them regarding their thoughts about abortion. *shrug* (?)

Speaking as a woman priest who hears confessions... the point of hearing a confession isn't to talk someone out of something (confession being about repentance for past actions). So I think that's a bit of a red herring. Good pastoral care (for which one doesn't need to be a priest) might include pointing out support and resources which allow someone to see possibilities other than abortion.

But, speaking as someone who hears confessions and provides pastoral care for women... here's what I notice about abortion. There are two really common themes; coercion (ie. the woman didn't make that choice freely but was pressured by parents, husband, boyfriend, or the like to do so), and privation. The story of the already-married woman with several children who falls pregnant again and simply cannot see any way to support that child while her existing family is already struggling for survival is really, really common.

Deal with the coercion, deal with the poverty, and I'd be very confident you'll see abortion rates drop dramatically.

 

[Yttrium]

“Rights, schmights!”
Charming.

That's a bit of a misrepresentation. He is concerned about rights, namely the human rights of the embryo/fetus. He thinks that it should have legal rights and should be protected from harm. Personally, I can sympathize with that, even if I don't think legal rights should be conferred to a human organism that hasn't even achieved sentience yet.

If enough people like him manage to change the laws to give the unborn legal rights, then we have to accommodate those rights somehow, while still preserving the mother's rights... somehow.

 

[FireDragon76]

Hmm...there are female Episcopal/Anglican priests and female Lutheran clergy that hear confessions (although not as common as the RCC or Orthodox Churches, it is still available to the faithful). I'm sure some women can go for confession/counsel to them regarding their thoughts about abortion. *shrug* (?)

Many Episcopalian and Lutheran clergy are pro-choice anyways, especially given the norms for a great deal of moral autonomy in mainline Protestant churches. People don't typically go to their local pastor when faced with a moral dilemma, they are expected to be able to figure things out for themselves.

But in truth, Episcopalian and Lutheran women tend not to be the ones having the most abortions, anyawys, since they usually have above-average incomes, marry later, have more stable marriages (divorce rates are far below conservative evangelicals), and more access to contraception and family planning.

 

[RileyG]

So don't have an abortion. It's that simple.

Beyond that, though, it really isn't your call.

-- A2SG, you don't get to decide someone else's medical decisions for them, ya know.....not without their explicit power of attorney....

That's like saying don't kill someone. It's that simple.

Beyond that, it's not your call.

Makes no sense.

 

[JustOneWay]

That's like saying don't kill someone. It's that simple.

Beyond that, it's not your call.

Makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense. The easiest way to stop abortions is to not have an abortion. Let's not forget having an abortion is a choice.

 

[RileyG]

Is there a “correct” interpretation?
If so, what might it be?

That's where we get off topic because there are literally thousands if not billions of different interpretations per person.

 

[RileyG]

It makes perfect sense. The easiest way to stop abortions is to not have an abortion. Let's not forget having an abortion is a choice.

...a wrong choice. People make immoral choices all the time that hurt others.

 

[RileyG]

I'm unabashedly pro-life and won't apologize to it. People have a right to life! All other rights don't matter if life doesn't matter.

 

[JustOneWay]

...a wrong choice. People make immoral choices all the time that hurt others.

Perhaps you misread my post. According to you, not having an abortion is the right choice, and I say it is the easiest way to stop abortions.

 

[RileyG]

Perhaps you misread my post. According to you, not having an abortion is the right choice, and I say it is the easiest way to stop abortions.

Correct!