Who has read the indictments?

[evoeth]

Have you read the indictments?

 

[Dosblade]

to live life with no hope... I speak Jesus.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Have you read the indictments?

In Trump fashion it has become a smorgasbord of salads so I'll wait for the dessert.

 

[Always in His Presence]

I especially like these:

It is now illegal to

Act 22 - tell people to watch TV
Act 57 - Reserve a meeting room at the State Capitol
Act 6 - Ask someone for a phone number

 

[wing2000]

I especially like these:

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It is now illegal to

Act 22 - tell people to watch TV
Act 57 - Reserve a meeting room at the State Capitol
Act 6 - Ask someone for a phone number

Do you understand the meaning of "overt acts" in a RICO case?

"Predicate crimes are the underlying crimes that make up a racketeering case. An overt act is an action taken in furtherance of the conspiracy — in this case to overturn the election. It doesn’t necessarily have to be a crime, legal experts say.

In this case, prosecutor Fani T. Willis said that Trump’s tweets, or phone calls, or actions taken in other states were included as overt acts because “the grand jury believes they are part of the effort to overturn the election results.”

...

“It’s difficult to organize around a racketeering conspiracy without using words,” said Clark Cunningham, a Georgia State University law professor and expert on racketeering.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ulton-county/#link-IYKO2P4LGBFHFDSSA5TK6N2CTE

 

[Always in His Presence]

Do you understand the meaning of "overt acts" in a RICO case?

Are you now an attorney?

Yeah, neither am I.

 

[wing2000]

Are you now an attorney?

Yeah, neither am I.

I added some supporting information to the post.

 

[Always in His Presence]

In this case, prosecutor Fani T. Willis said that Trump’s tweets, or phone calls, or actions taken in other states were included as overt acts because “the grand jury believes they are part of the effort to overturn the election results.”

He told people to watch a news show - kinda far fetched wouldn't you say?

 

[Green Sun]

I especially like these:

It is now illegal to

Act 22 - tell people to watch TV
Act 57 - Reserve a meeting room at the State Capitol
Act 6 - Ask someone for a phone number

Aged like fine wine.

If I tell you "let's go buy crowbars", that's not a crime.
If I tell you "let's go buy crowbars", and we both are planning on using those crowbars to break into a house, that's now conspiracy to commit a crime.

 

[wing2000]

He told people to watch a news show - kinda far fetched wouldn't you say?

It's kinda far fetched for a sitting President to direct people to watch a hearing conducted by his political operatives. What was claimed at the Georgia "hearing" on Dec 3, 2020?


Act 22

On or about the 3rd day of December 2020, DONALD JOHN TRUMP caused to be

tweeted from the Twitter account @RealDonaldTrump, "Georgia hearings now on @OANN. Amazing!" This was an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy.

 

[Always in His Presence]

If I tell you "let's go buy crowbars", and we both are planning on using those crowbars to break into a house, that's now conspiracy to commit a crime.

Please cite the legal statute for that.

Because you just opened a whole world of issues.

"Let's go buy beer"
You plan on driving drunk - we can arrest you for buying beer -

 

[wing2000]

It's kinda far fetched for a sitting President to direct people to watch a hearing conducted by his political operatives. What was claimed at the Georgia "hearing" on Dec 3, 2020?


Act 22

On or about the 3rd day of December 2020, DONALD JOHN TRUMP caused to be

tweeted from the Twitter account @RealDonaldTrump, "Georgia hearings now on @OANN. Amazing!" This was an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy.

...and if you keep reading, Acts 23-25 answers the question I asked.

What was claimed at the Georgia "hearing" on Dec 3, 2020?

 

[durangodawood]

He told people to watch a news show - kinda far fetched wouldn't you say?

???

The commission of crimes typically includes loads of normal acts which in themselves are perfectly legal.

Like driving to murder someone is an "overt act in furtherance of the murder". Would you chime in and say "oh the injustice! the suspect is being charged with driving!"

 

[Green Sun]

Please cite the legal statute for that.

Because you just opened a whole world of issues.

"Let's go buy beer"
You plan on driving drunk - we can arrest you for buying beer -

Sure thing - Though, you're misunderstanding what a conspiracy is - It inherently involves two or more people.

Let's start with an explainer from some lawyers.
What’s a Criminal Conspiracy?

Put simply, a criminal conspiracy is an agreement to commit an unlawful act. The agreement itself is the crime, but at least one co-conspirator must take an “overt act” in furtherance of the conspiracy. Under the federal conspiracy statute:

The agreement by two or more persons is the essence of the crime. If there is no agreement, there can be no conspiracy.
The co-conspirators must agree to commit a federal crime or to defraud the United States or any federal agency in any manner and for any purpose.
At least one co-conspirator must take an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy.

The overt act itself need not be unlawful, and not all members of the conspiracy are required to take an overt act; one co-conspirator’s overt act is enough. For example, one co-conspirator’s rental of a van – a perfectly legal act – to be used in a bank robbery is sufficient for his co-conspirators to be held criminally accountable for their agreement to rob the bank, even if no other steps are taken.

Wikipedia has a breakdown with citations to both laws and explainers:

Criminal conspiracy - Wikipedia

Conspiracy has been defined in the United States as an agreement of two or more people to commit a crime, or to accomplish a legal end through illegal actions.[20][21]

Conspiracy law usually does not require proof of specific intent by the defendants to injure any specific person to establish an illegal agreement. Instead, usually the law requires only that the conspirators have agreed to engage in a certain illegal act. However, the application of conspiracy laws requires a tacit agreement among members of a group to commit a crime. Such laws allow the government to charge a defendant regardless of whether the planned criminal act has been committed or the possibility of the crime being carried out successfully.[22]

In most U.S. jurisdictions, for a person to be convicted of conspiracy, not only must he or she agree to commit a crime, but at least one of the conspirators must commit an overt act (the actus reus) in furtherance of the crime.

So in my example, you and me going to buy crowbars, which we are planning to use in breaking into a house, is an overt act towards completing the crime.

 

[Always in His Presence]

It's kinda far fetched for a sitting President to direct people to watch a hearing conducted by his political operatives. What was claimed at the Georgia "hearing" on Dec 3, 2020?

The Democratic Party leadership hired a Hollywood producer, who helped design the set and aired promotional spots on live prime time hearings on Jan 6 - and you seriously believe it is illegal to tell people to turn on the TV?

By the way - the Jan 6 commission then destroyed their evidence after they lost power - I wonder why that is?

 

[Always in His Presence]

So in my example, you and me going to buy crowbars, which we are planning to use in breaking into a house, is an overt act towards completing the crime.

and the penal code it breaks?

BTW - Wiki is really a poor choice - try actual legal references.

 

[Always in His Presence]

So in my example, you and me going to buy crowbars, which we are planning to use in breaking into a house, is an overt act towards completing the crime.

So does going to buy beer. Overt acts are not chargeable offenses are they?

 

[durangodawood]

So does going to buy beer. Overt acts are not chargeable offenses are they?

And Trump isnt being charged with them. See post #13.

 

[wing2000]

The Democratic Party leadership hired a Hollywood producer, who helped design the set and aired promotional spots on live prime time hearings on Jan 6 - and you seriously believe it is illegal to tell people to turn on the TV?

In your example, who was engaged in a conspiracy?

 

[Always in His Presence]

In your example, who was engaged in a conspiracy?

The people who purposely destroyed evidence