Davidians

[JM]

What's the deal with the Davidians? Are they ex-SDA, attended by SDA?

Thanks.

 

[Gary K]

What's the deal with the Davidians? Are they ex-SDA, attended by SDA?

Thanks.

I didn't know they still existed. No, the are not SDAs although some of them were/are former SDAs.

 

[JM]

I didn't know they still existed. No, the are not SDAs although some of them were/are former SDAs.

I see them all over the net as Davidian Seventh-Day Adventists, sometimes referred to as The Rod.

David Koresh came out of the Davidian SDA but named his group "Students of the Seven Seals" not Davidian. The land they occupied in Waco was under Branch Davidian but that was the deed not the group.

 

[Gary K]

I see them all over the net as Davidian Seventh-Day Adventists, sometimes referred to as The Rod.

David Koresh came out of the Davidian SDA but named his group "Students of the Seven Seals" not Davidian. The land they occupied in Waco was under Branch Davidian but that was the deed not the group.

They may call themselves that, but that doesn't mean they are. Anyone can call themselves anything they want. The Rod is most likely an offshoot that called themselves Shepherds Rods, that was kicked out of the church in the '50s if I remember right as the leader of the movement had gone off into some very strange beliefs. I don't think there was any connection between the Davidians and the Sheperd Rods as the last I knew the leqader of the Shepherd Rods had moved to Austrailia a few decades ago. Koresh was a just self deceived guy that had no connection, belief wise or any other way, that I know of.

 

[JM]

They may call themselves that, but that doesn't mean they are. Anyone can call themselves anything they want. The Rod is most likely an offshoot that called themselves Shepherds Rods, that was kicked out of the church in the '50s if I remember right as the leader of the movement had gone off into some very strange beliefs. I don't think there was any connection between the Davidians and the Sheperd Rods as the last I knew the leqader of the Shepherd Rods had moved to Austrailia a few decades ago. Koresh was a just self deceived guy that had no connection, belief wise or any other way, that I know of.

The Shepherd's Rod had many strange teachings from the start.

Branch Davidians were an offshoot of the Shepherd's Rod, hence the word play, "why stay on a dead rod when you can be apart of a living branch!" The Students of the Seven Seals were an offshoot of the Branch Davidians. Their was infighting, a shoot out between Koresh (real name was Vernon Howell) and the heir to the Branch Davidians. Koresh essentially won and kept the Waco property which is why the deed to the homestead was listed as Branch Davidians even though Koresh changed the name and teaches.

I was asking about the Davidian SDA.

 

[Gary K]

The Shepherd's Rod had many strange teachings from the start.

Branch Davidians were an offshoot of the Shepherd's Rod, hence the word play, "why stay on a dead rod when you can be apart of a living branch!" The Students of the Seven Seals were an offshoot of the Branch Davidians. Their was infighting, a shoot out between Koresh (real name was Vernon Howell) and the heir to the Branch Davidians. Koresh essentially won and kept the Waco property which is why the deed to the homestead was listed as Branch Davidians even though Koresh changed the name and teaches.

I was asking about the Davidian SDA.

You know more about the Shepherds Rod than I do than I do.

I know next to nothing about the Davidians other than they have such strange doctrines I doubt very much they would be accepted into the church as a group. A I remember the Shepherd Rods were kicked out for setting dates for the 2nd coming but that happened when I was a little kid and I haven't kept up with them. I see no need to, Same with the Davidians. After Koresh died what was the point? I hadn't even heard of them until Waco. I just find it very strange that they keep on calling themselves Adventists. To me it's something the devil has gotten them to do.

 

[BobRyan]

What's the deal with the Davidians? Are they ex-SDA, attended by SDA?

Thanks.

They are not SDA but I think they like to try and recruit SDAs.

 

[BobRyan]

I see them all over the net as Davidian Seventh-Day Adventists, sometimes referred to as The Rod.

David Koresh came out of the Davidian SDA but named his group "Students of the Seven Seals" not Davidian. The land they occupied in Waco was under Branch Davidian but that was the deed not the group.

The Adventist denomination has done a lot of work to clean up the confusion non-SDAs try to create when they give themselves some novel name then add at the end "SDA".

For a group to be SDA they have to
1. affirm the doctrinal position of the SDA church that is publically available for all to see.
2. Be part of an actual SDA conference, union, division that is a member of the General Conference constituency.

None of that is true for Davidians, branch Davidians, Shepherd's rod etc.

 

[JM]

Thank you for the help.

 

[JM]

The Adventist denomination has done a lot of work to clean up the confusion non-SDAs try to create when they give themselves some novel name then add at the end "SDA".

For a group to be SDA they have to
1. affirm the doctrinal position of the SDA church that is publically available for all to see.
2. Be part of an actual SDA conference, union, division that is a member of the General Conference constituency.

None of that is true for Davidians, branch Davidians, Shepherd's rod etc.

I listened to a podcast today that stated the Davidians used SDA in their name to avoid the draft, they also believed the SDA had become too much like the world.

Fascinating stuff.

 

[BobRyan]

I listened to a podcast today that stated the Davidians used SDA in their name to avoid the draft, they also believed the SDA had become too much like the world.

Fascinating stuff.

Yes - they and the "Shepherd's Rod" group would refer to the SDA denomination as a fallen Babylon

 

[tall73]

And yes, Shepherd's rod, etc. try to recruit Adventists. There is a church near one of the Adventist colleges that I attended that had several shepherd's rod folks in it, and they would share their literature with visitors (I was visiting that week to hear one of the ministerial students speak).

Also, Koresh, though another step from both of the referenced groups, was originally baptized as an Adventist. But he was quite far off from Adventist views by the time of the Waco incident.