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Jack Smith's team forced to admit they left out evidence

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In a July 31 court filing, Smith’s team admitted that they failed to upload video footage taken from Mar-a-Lago to an online platform where Trump’s defense team could review it, as required by law, according to Newsweek.​
“On July 27, as part of the preparation for the superseding indictment coming later that day and the discovery production for Defendant De Oliveira, the Government learned that this footage had not been processed and uploaded to the platform established for the defense to view the subpoenaed footage,” read the filing.​
It continued: “The Government’s representation at the July 18 hearing that all surveillance footage the Government had obtained pre-indictment had been produced was therefore incorrect.”​
The Brady rule is a legal standard that requires the prosecution to provide the defense with any exculpatory information that will be brought against them in court.​
Which do you think it is? Incompetency or are they trying to hide something?
 

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Special Counsel Jack Smith’s latest indictment against President Trump seeks to criminalize political speech and taking incorrect legal advice. Americans of all political stripes should be furious and deeply concerned by the course Smith has set this country on.​
I have reviewed the new Trump indictment closely, and sadly, it is exactly what we have come to expect from Smith’s team — a highly political document, riddled with legal and factual infirmities. This indictment should have never been brought to a grand jury in the first place. Moreover, its timing, particularly in light of Smith’s statements and actions in the Trump documents case, is so highly suspect that it casts a political pall over the whole case.​

1. Trump’s State of Mind

In the Trump documents case, we’ve already seen how thorny issues of intent can be. There, many of us have argued that, in light of the president’s rights and responsibilities under the Presidential Records Act, it is essentially impossible for Jack Smith to prove that Trump knowingly violated the Espionage Act subsection charged.

2. Criminalizing Political Speech​

Others have made this point publicly already, so I won’t belabor it. To put it simply, Jack Smith’s theory of the case necessarily requires criminalizing political speech. This is core, protected activity under the First Amendment, and the legal implications are truly scary for our democracy.

3. Proving Trump’s Specific Intent

Section 241 is a statute that was originally designed to deal with violence against black voters by the Ku Klux Klan, and other similar efforts to deprive people of their constitutional rights. Jack Smith’s use of it here is outrageous on its face, designed to inflame perhaps more than anything else. But there are also serious legal issues that Smith and his team seem to have been willing to ignore in terms of the statute’s applicability to the facts alleged.

4. Proving a Fraud Conspiracy​

Section 371 is a statute that criminalizes defrauding the federal government or interfering in lawful functions of government. Its origins are in the tax fraud context, and it was originally cabined closely to property fraud against the federal government. Even after the statute was expanded, though, the Supreme Court has urged caution throughout the statute’s history that a conspiracy charge relating to the obstruction of governmental functions must be premised on the use of “deceit, craft or trickery, or at least by means that are dishonest,” as was decided in Hammerschmidt v. United States. “Open defiance” of the law, for example, cannot give rise to a § 371 charge.

5. Misapplication of Obstruction Law​

Section 1512 was originally enacted as part of the Sarbanes Oxley Act in 2002, intended to deal with the fallout from the Enron collapse and investigations. Subsection (c), under which Trump has been charged, deals primarily with destroying evidence in advance of judicial proceedings or legislative inquiries, but it also contains a catchall provision that criminalizes corruptly “obstructing” an official proceeding.

6. Perfectly Timing the Trial for Election Season​

As he did with his original indictment in the documents, Jack Smith accompanied his announcement of charges yesterday with a cynical call for a “speedy trial.” More than anything else, Smith’s insistence that these cases that he is bringing should be tried at the height of a presidential election adds fuel to the fire of Trump’s expressed view that the special counsel is waging a political campaign against him, not a valid legal investigation.
 
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1. Trump’s State of Mind

In the Trump documents case, we’ve already seen how thorny issues of intent can be. There, many of us have argued that, in light of the president’s rights and responsibilities under the Presidential Records Act, it is essentially impossible for Jack Smith to prove that Trump knowingly violated the Espionage Act subsection charged.
He's on tape admitting that the docs were still classified.

2. Criminalizing Political Speech​

Others have made this point publicly already, so I won’t belabor it. To put it simply, Jack Smith’s theory of the case necessarily requires criminalizing political speech. This is core, protected activity under the First Amendment, and the legal implications are truly scary for our democracy.
This is one spin that will, unfortunately, work with negative information votes. The indictment painstakingly makes clear that while one if free to talk about, make claims about and even lie about the results of elections, one cannot act upon, or incite others to act upon that speech, those claims or that lie.

3. Proving Trump’s Specific Intent

Section 241 is a statute that was originally designed to deal with violence against black voters by the Ku Klux Klan, and other similar efforts to deprive people of their constitutional rights. Jack Smith’s use of it here is outrageous on its face, designed to inflame perhaps more than anything else. But there are also serious legal issues that Smith and his team seem to have been willing to ignore in terms of the statute’s applicability to the facts alleged.
>> The alleged offense under Section 241 is among four counts included in the indictment, which argues that Trump, along with six unnamed co-conspirators, eroded trust in the administration of the election and “pursued unlawful means of discounting legitimate votes and subverting the election results.”

Those means, according to the indictment, included strong-arming state officials to change electoral votes won by Joe Biden and recruiting “fraudulent electors” in swing states prepared to override the will of voters.

The alleged conspiracy included using the authority of the Justice Department to create doubt about the election results and encourage the presentation of those illegitimate electors as alternatives to Biden’s valid electors.

And, according to the indictment, it involved pressuring Vice President Mike Pence to delay or thwart the certification of Biden’s victory on Jan. 6, 2021, and capitalizing on the violence unleashed that day to “levy false claims of election fraud and convince Members of Congress to further delay the certification based on those claims.”<<

6. Perfectly Timing the Trial for Election Season​

As he did with his original indictment in the documents, Jack Smith accompanied his announcement of charges yesterday with a cynical call for a “speedy trial.” More than anything else, Smith’s insistence that these cases that he is bringing should be tried at the height of a presidential election adds fuel to the fire of Trump’s expressed view that the special counsel is waging a political campaign against him, not a valid legal investigation.
This one too will be popular. It ignores the fact that the Congressional Select Committee on J6 didn't issue it's report until Dec 2022 and the DOH needed time to get the case put together and present it to a grand jury. Six months seems about right for a case like this.
 
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In a July 31 court filing, Smith’s team admitted that they failed to upload video footage taken from Mar-a-Lago to an online platform where Trump’s defense team could review it, as required by law, according to Newsweek.​
“On July 27, as part of the preparation for the superseding indictment coming later that day and the discovery production for Defendant De Oliveira, the Government learned that this footage had not been processed and uploaded to the platform established for the defense to view the subpoenaed footage,” read the filing.​
It continued: “The Government’s representation at the July 18 hearing that all surveillance footage the Government had obtained pre-indictment had been produced was therefore incorrect.”​
The Brady rule is a legal standard that requires the prosecution to provide the defense with any exculpatory information that will be brought against them in court.​
Which do you think it is? Incompetency or are they trying to hide something?
Mercy!
Smith’s team didn’t include in their discovery, items that the defendants would have had, had the defendants had not destroyed their copies of the videos.
The government had to obtain the copies they hold from the security-company that had uploaded the videos to its servers.

This is not the smoking-gun you’re looking for it to be.
 
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An oversight. Trump was trying to hide something when he gave the illegal order to delete the video.
One vote incompetency.
 
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One vote incompetency.

When a prosecutor commits a Brady violation, it typically can go several ways.

1. Mistrial declared.
2. Charges dismissed.
3. Charges against the prosecutor.

Or conviction reversal.

What would be odd here would be a "Oops, everyone makes mistakes, we'll just ignore this and proceed."

That's the sort of thing that gets convictions reversed on appeal and judges removed.
 
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When a prosecutor commits a Brady violation, it typically can go several ways.

1. Mistrial declared.
2. Charges dismissed.
3. Charges against the prosecutor.

Or conviction reversal.

What would be odd here would be a "Oops, everyone makes mistakes, we'll just ignore this and proceed."

That's the sort of thing that gets convictions reversed on appeal and judges removed.

Wouldn’t a Brady violation be something during trial rather than pre-trial ?
 
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Wouldn’t a Brady violation be something during trial rather than pre-trial ?
Yes. It generally is. And post trial. The Brady doctrine allows that if information which was not presented to the defence which would have been advantageous to the defence, then a mistrial can be called. Or a conviction could be overturned.

This information has been presented. So it's not applicable. And the information is advantageous to the prosecution of the case. Not the defence.

You might note that Trumps defence hasn't raised this matter. It was the prosecutor who said 'Hang on, there's something we missed.' The defence is hardly likely to complain to the court that information detrimental to their client has not been presented. It would be like the defence complaining that the prosecution hadn't presented their client's fingerprints on the murder weapon.
 
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When a prosecutor commits a Brady violation, it typically can go several ways.

1. Mistrial declared.
2. Charges dismissed.
3. Charges against the prosecutor.

Or conviction reversal.

What would be odd here would be a "Oops, everyone makes mistakes, we'll just ignore this and proceed."

That's the sort of thing that gets convictions reversed on appeal and judges removed.
If the Lincoln Lawyer is accurate, it's common to have the prosecution delay production of evidence during discovery, and to have to repeatedly go to the judge to demand it. If that's true, then by correcting their own oversight before anyone pointed it out, the prosecution in Trump's case is giving him special treatment.
 
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If the Lincoln Lawyer is accurate, it's common to have the prosecution delay production of evidence during discovery, and to have to repeatedly go to the judge to demand it.

I'm not familiar with "the Lincoln Lawyer".



If that's true, then by correcting their own oversight before anyone pointed it out, the prosecution in Trump's case is giving him special treatment.

A quick search reveals....The Lincoln Lawyer is a TV show. Other fun and misleading TV shows are CSI Miami, which had an interesting effect noticed in courtrooms that resulted in juries failing to convict because of a lack of DNA evidence or other forensic evidence which isn't typically a part of a criminal case....but the TV show distorted the expectations of the generally uninformed public.

Given that this happened at the beginning of the process....really a mistrial and new trial would be appropriate.


Brady violations can be discovered at any point. If it's pretrial, there's other ways it can go....like telling the jury a Brady violation occurred, evidence being allowed that wouldn't normally be allowed, dismissing the charges with prejudice, etc.
 
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Indeed. You can't call a mistrial if the trial hasn't started. This is a pre trial procedural error in name only and will have zero impact on the case. When it does go to trial. That anyone would even attempt to use this to suggest that it could get Trump off the hook is pretty desperate.
 
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Indeed. You can't call a mistrial if the trial hasn't started. This is a pre trial procedural error in name only and will have zero impact on the case. When it does go to trial. That anyone would even attempt to use this to suggest that it could get Trump off the hook is pretty desperate.
What would even be the argument?
“Your honor, the Government failed to turn over to us the videos my client inadvertently deleted from his own equipment!”

That’ll be a fun day in court.
 
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What would even be the argument?
“Your honor, the Government failed to turn over to us the videos my client inadvertently deleted from his own equipment!”

That’ll be a fun day in court.
Yeah, to even claim the prosecution didn't supply some particular piece of evidence is to admit that that evidence exists.
 
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Brady violations can be discovered at any point. If it's pretrial, there's other ways it can go....like telling the jury a Brady violation occurred, evidence being allowed that wouldn't normally be allowed, dismissing the charges with prejudice, etc.

Wouldn’t the trial have to start for there to be a jury ? In this scenario the government filed to turn over such evidence before the trial, so not a Brady violation then ?
 
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Wouldn’t the trial have to start for there to be a jury ? In this scenario the government filed to turn over such evidence before the trial, so not a Brady violation then ?

A Brady violation can occur pre-trial as far as I know. You can't keep evidence from the defense. I don't know why this particular publication thinks its a Brady violation though....because generally it's got to be evidence which potentially influences the outcome of a trial.

I don't know what that evidence is without looking at it....nor do I see how this publication knows. I suspect they're repeating what his defense team is claiming
 
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