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WHO IS HEB 10:29 SPEAKINGS TOO?

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Heb 10:29 reads ,,Of much worse punishment , do you suppose , will be be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot , counted the blood of the COVENANT by which He was Sanctified a COMMON THING , and insulted the SPIRIT of GRACE .

#1 Who was the book of HEBREWS written too ?

#2 WAS it written to GENTILES ?

#3 Or was it written to JEWS ?

#4 Many see 4 parts here , Worse Punishment ?

#5 Trampled the Son under foot ?

#6 Counted The Blood a COMMON THING ?

#7 Insulted The Spirit of GRACE ?

Who then wants to be under the Law of Moses .

Is this the OLD COVENANT ?

Could this be the NEW COVENANT ?

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Heb 10:29 reads ,,Of much worse punishment , do you suppose , will be be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot , counted the blood of the COVENANT by which He was Sanctified a COMMON THING , and insulted the SPIRIT of GRACE .

#1 Who was the book of HEBREWS written too ?

#2 WAS it written to GENTILES ?

#3 Or was it written to JEWS ?

#4 Many see 4 parts here , Worse Punishment ?

#5 Trampled the Son under foot ?

#6 Counted The Blood a COMMON THING ?

#7 Insulted The Spirit of GRACE ?

Who then wants to be under the Law of Moses .

Is this the OLD COVENANT ?

Could this be the NEW COVENANT ?

dan p

It was written to and for Christians. It told the fate of Christians who intentionally sinned after baptism. The blood is Christ's blood and the covenant is the new covenant. It's to say "look how much value one would place on of the blood of Christ if he continued to sin wilfully after all his previous sins were forgiven". The early Church did not tolerate anyone who intentionally sinned. The big three for Christians were murder, idolatry, and adultery. To commit one of those was to be excommunicated. The writer of 1 John was serious when he said:

1Jo 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
 
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HI.. thanks great question. The verse starts off with "how much more" so something came before and after which explains it. Not sure why you only use one verse here
There is Heb 10:28 , anyone who has rejected Moses' Law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witness .

Does that mean we say we are that are saved by GRACE and have reject Moses' Law , have we insulted and rejected can mean to NULLIFLY , REJECT , DISREGARE , make VOID , because we have rejected Johns' BAPTISM ?

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Heb 10:29 reads ,,Of much worse punishment , do you suppose , will be be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot , counted the blood of the COVENANT by which He was Sanctified a COMMON THING , and insulted the SPIRIT of GRACE .

#1 Who was the book of HEBREWS written too ?


dan p
It was written to and for the Jews. It was written by an apostle to the JEWS and is literally titled HEBREWS:


Especially to the Jews alive after the rapture and that go through the tribulation
 
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It was written to and for the Jews. It was written by an apostle to the JEWS and is literally titled HEBREWS:


Especially to the Jews alive after the rapture and that go through the tribulation
I believe that Hebrews was written to the Jews and that it is Paul that wrote in 2 Peter 3:15-18 '

Many may disagree and that will have to be a different OP .

If you say it was someone other than Paul , have your DUCKS in order .


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There is Heb 10:28 , anyone who has rejected Moses' Law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witness .

Does that mean we say we are that are saved by GRACE and have reject Moses' Law , have we insulted and rejected can mean to NULLIFLY , REJECT , DISREGARE , make VOID , because we have rejected Johns' BAPTISM ?

dan p
Hmm I could be misunderstanding you but.. Who was Christ and what did He finish? The law.. God the Father or our lord Jesus Christ said " For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and i write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people."

That'ss US! He can not lie.. I can say I toss out reject the law of Moses that was only to show sin "What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator." Yet no matter what I say.. My Father wrote them on my heart. Do you understand? Were talking spiritual things no natural things.
 
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Hmm I could be misunderstanding you but.. Who was Christ and what did He finish? The law.. God the Father or our lord Jesus Christ said " For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and i write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people."

That'ss US! He can not lie.. I can say I toss out reject the law of Moses that was only to show sin "What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator." Yet no matter what I say.. My Father wrote them on my heart. Do you understand? Were talking spiritual things no natural things.
Are you quoting EZE 36:25-26 to verse 26-38 ,

Paul in 2 Cor 3:1---15 and a COVERING remains over their HEARTS UNTIL THESE DAY , PERIOD and read Isa 6:1-13 and there many other verse s and if you are waiting for the GREAT TRIBULATION , good luck !!

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I believe that Hebrews was written to the Jews and that it is Paul that wrote in 2 Peter 3:15-18 '

Many may disagree and that will have to be a different OP .

If you say it was someone other than Paul , have your DUCKS in order .


dan p
Thanks for that, i had assumed it was one of the Apostles to the Jews that wrote the book. After doing some online searching it appears that the author is not known, the consensus USED to be that it was Paul that wrote the book but that is NOT the generally held view now, but that some other, most likely Jewish person wroth the book.

In any case, as the video I linked to notes and makes the case for, the book is not for current day Christians but for those people that will be alive during the 7 year tribulation when God once again turns His attention to the Jews.
 
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God the Father or our lord Jesus Christ said " For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and i write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people."

That'ss US!
If you subscribe to Replacement Theology then you can think that it is referring to us, but otherwise the quote quite literally says the subject is the "house of Israel", ie the Jews, not the gentiles.
 
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Hmm I could be misunderstanding you but.. Who was Christ and what did He finish? The law.. God the Father or our lord Jesus Christ said " For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and i write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people."

That'ss US! He can not lie.. I can say I toss out reject the law of Moses that was only to show sin "What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator." Yet no matter what I say.. My Father wrote them on my heart. Do you understand? Were talking spiritual things no natural things.
What does That's US , mean ?

dan p
 
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