Trump is asked, "how has your faith grown since you decided in 2015 to run for president?"

[childeye 2]

That final sentence fragment from 2016 is notable, but truncated; the entire statement was "Nobody knows the system better than me, which is why I alone can fix it.". That's a bit different context than you are suggesting as he is comparing himself from the insiders running against him.

Any reasoning based on falsehood ends in a contradiction. Do you really believe someone who claims to know the system better than anyone else didn't know what a grand jury or a subpoena is? He's lying. "I alone can fix it" is a falsehood.

I provided that statement from July 2016 to make the point that Trump's mind is carnal, as in self-serving/self-adoration/self-worship, trusting in his self above others. By contrast, the disciples whose faith are in Jesus, are taught to take the last seat at the table anticipating that there will be others more worthy than themselves.

Whereas in the Light of Spiritual knowledge we know that wisdom can only come through the Holy Spirit, and will therefore manifest humility in a person's character through a sincere thankfulness to God for wisdom; the darkness that occupies Mr. Trump's soul is being expressed in his desire to be admired above others, which is carnal vainglory.

Scripture witnesses to this Light of knowledge by stating that God exalts those who humble themselves and humbles those who exalt themselves, declaring that pride goes before a fall, and that the blind leading the blind will all fall into a ditch.

He is not only saying I am great and can do things. His first statement just says "it was great, it's not great now, it can be great again". That's it.

I'm sorry, but you're mistaken. Here are his words again:

"You know, I've seen so much heartache and turmoil," I was a developer, and I did other things. And, you know, I had a wonderful, I had a wonderful life before all this stuff."
"I didn't know what a grand jury was,. "I didn't know what a subpoena; what is a subpoena? I had a wonderful life."
"I'm so glad they asked me the other day a little different question," Are you glad you did it? So you had a great life. Are you glad you did it? I couldn't be more glad. I am so happy I did it because I've made America great. We can do it again."
"Right now, we don't; we are not a great country," We are not a great country."

The context of how Trump applies "greatness" to America is qualified by the question "Are you glad you did it?"
Did What? Answer: Became President. The question is asking, "Are you glad you became President?"

Therefore, the context of how Trump applies "greatness" to America is his four years as President.

Trump is therefore expressing:
America was great when Trump was President: I am so happy I did it because I've made America great.
America is not great now that Trump is not President: Right now, we don't; we are not a great country,
If Trump becomes President again, America will be great again: We can do it again (vote him into power again = Make America Great Again).

Trump is expressing "his faith" in his carnal self and subsequently how America's greatness is dependent upon him being in power. All the MAGAdonians are the followers of "his faith".

 

[Hank77]

This is not to flame Trump or other presidents, but rather to say of all the flawed people Trump seems to be the best to be influenced by Jesus

What about Mike Pence?

Are you trying to make me believe that of the original 17 Republican candidates in 2016 Trump was the best one to be used by Jesus? Is that what you are promoting?

 

[Say it aint so]

Or Trump is just not articulating it well; he is not known as an eloquent speaker, by a long shot. I suspect if he ever had any faith, it has been tried and increased in recent years, considering what a target he has been. But he didn't tell me personally; just a speculation on my part. He doesn't appear to be anti-faith, given his words and actions, and that's about the best we have had in government recently.

You mean he doesn't use the best words?
As far as being a target, Trump in his actions throughout his history has been a "shoot me here" self infliction.
Can ask a serious question, have you ever remotely considered, again given his long history, he's kind of a conman?

 

[Say it aint so]

i've found it amazing when people who are just flawed people but they're not bowing the knee to anything worldly. Clearly He's flawed. I find it amazing when the world is so against him it makes me wonder, should i jump on the "i hate trump train"? or should I take a moment to consider why does everyone hate him so much. They hate people that aren't so favored by the world, that aren't clearly involved in freemasonry etc. Look at a good majority of presidents, they have been known to be seen at those events etc, Trump just looks like an odd man out that got a job he wasn't ready for or cut out for.

Don't get me wrong, he is very flawed, and I don't think necessarily that Jesus approves of a good majority of what he's done, but if you look at the options: a bunch of worldly people that are knowingly doing bad behind closed doors or someone that is clearly flawed but he doesn't seem to willingly be involved in negative freeemason etc stuff, i think Jesus is more able to use Trump than say Obama or Hilary or Biden. They are already too far gone, but Trump can be influenced and swayed by Jesus.

And what is everyone doing? They're blaming him for people going to the capital on January 6. They're getting mad at him for doing something I wouldn't be surprised at all if all the presidents have done. Having documents i mean Hilary and her emails Biden and his documents/his sons laptop, it's all a big show really. What we need is someone that can be used by Jesus. That's it. You're not gonna see a strong Christian run for president because to even get to the point of being a candidate that can run ads etc you have to be involved in their secret society, so the next best thing was someone that is just a flawed person but hasn't bowed the knee so to speak.

Trump is definitely an odd ball, and he definitely has flaws, idk personally everything he's involved in, but he seemed to be willing to be used by Jesus more than other presidents. We know his mistakes because he's done them for everyone to see, whereas other presidents are very secretive. You see what they say and then they hide behind closed doors. They seem slimy in secret, Trump is just foolish in public.

This is not to flame Trump or other presidents, but rather to say of all the flawed people Trump seems to be the best to be influenced by Jesus

There in lies the problem as you mention a basis of Christianity being man is flawed. Trump doesn't think that applies to him.
I know for fact Trump, well I will quote Trump, "Why Do I Have to Repent or Ask for Forgiveness If I Am Not Making Mistakes?'
If Trump's actions are a sign of Jesus working through him, I really don't know what to say.
Jesus spoke about various kinds of people in fact, warning of them. Matthew 7:15-20

 

[Say it aint so]

What about Mike Pence?

Are you trying to make me believe that of the original 17 Republican candidates in 2016 Trump was the best one to be used by Jesus? Is that what you are promoting?

Or Jimmy Carter? Carter walked his faith all his life. Heck Carter's economy was better than Trumps.

 

[durangodawood]

Religious people are just there for him to use is how it looks.

 

[SeventhFisherofMen]

There in lies the problem as you mention a basis of Christianity being man is flawed. Trump doesn't think that applies to him.
I know for fact Trump, well I will quote Trump, "Why Do I Have to Repent or Ask for Forgiveness If I Am Not Making Mistakes?'
If Trump's actions are a sign of Jesus working through him, I really don't know what to say.
Jesus spoke about various kinds of people in fact, warning of them. Matthew 7:15-20

true you could be right, i was more comparing him to other main candidates that had potential to win.

 

[SeventhFisherofMen]

What about Mike Pence?

Are you trying to make me believe that of the original 17 Republican candidates in 2016 Trump was the best one to be used by Jesus? Is that what you are promoting?

but he was vice President so wouldn't you say he WAS used by God

 

[childeye 2]

true you could be right, i was more comparing him to other main candidates that had potential to win.

but he was vice President so wouldn't you say he WAS used by God

Scripture says we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

This to me means that God uses all people in some manner that serves His good purpose and therefore I do not see Trump nor anyone else as flawed. It's more like we can't see our ignorance, which is why Jesus prayed that those who would crucify him would be forgiven.

 

[Hank77]

but he was vice President so wouldn't you say he WAS used by God

Why wasn't he chosen by voters to be president rather than Trump? Are you saying he couldn't have been better used by Jesus as president rather than a low-level Trump placeholder? That's all he was to Trump. He was never given any really important jobs that I remember, those went to Jared.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

You mean he doesn't use the best words?
As far as being a target, Trump in his actions throughout his history has been a "shoot me here" self infliction.
Can ask a serious question, have you ever remotely considered, again given his long history, he's kind of a conman?

No, he doesn't use the best words. Heh.

I've considered it, but considering my professional and life experience, I find the con men to be more subtle, not the loud obnoxious and obvious mouthy types. We have some in office right now. But there is still a contingent screaming "But TRUMP!!!" as if he is their problem.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Any reasoning based on falsehood ends in a contradiction. Do you really believe someone who claims to know the system better than anyone else didn't know what a grand jury or a subpoena is? He's lying. "I alone can fix it" is a falsehood.

I provided that statement from July 2016 to make the point that Trump's mind is carnal, as in self-serving/self-adoration/self-worship, trusting in his self above others. By contrast, the disciples whose faith are in Jesus, are taught to take the last seat at the table anticipating that there will be others more worthy than themselves.

Whereas in the Light of Spiritual knowledge we know that wisdom can only come through the Holy Spirit, and will therefore manifest humility in a person's character through a sincere thankfulness to God for wisdom; the darkness that occupies Mr. Trump's soul is being expressed in his desire to be admired above others, which is carnal vainglory.

Scripture witnesses to this Light of knowledge by stating that God exalts those who humble themselves and humbles those who exalt themselves, declaring that pride goes before a fall, and that the blind leading the blind will all fall into a ditch.


I'm sorry, but you're mistaken. Here are his words again:

"You know, I've seen so much heartache and turmoil," I was a developer, and I did other things. And, you know, I had a wonderful, I had a wonderful life before all this stuff."
"I didn't know what a grand jury was,. "I didn't know what a subpoena; what is a subpoena? I had a wonderful life."
"I'm so glad they asked me the other day a little different question," Are you glad you did it? So you had a great life. Are you glad you did it? I couldn't be more glad. I am so happy I did it because I've made America great. We can do it again."
"Right now, we don't; we are not a great country," We are not a great country."

The context of how Trump applies "greatness" to America is qualified by the question "Are you glad you did it?"
Did What? Answer: Became President. The question is asking, "Are you glad you became President?"

Therefore, the context of how Trump applies "greatness" to America is his four years as President.

Trump is therefore expressing:
America was great when Trump was President: I am so happy I did it because I've made America great.
America is not great now that Trump is not President: Right now, we don't; we are not a great country,
If Trump becomes President again, America will be great again: We can do it again (vote him into power again = Make America Great Again).

Trump is expressing "his faith" in his carnal self and subsequently how America's greatness is dependent upon him being in power. All the MAGAdonians are the followers of "his faith".

You certainly are entitled to your speculative interpretation. I see your comments as speculative, in reading in intent and motivation of Trump (which you cannot know) because of bias, but you can view it as you like.

 

[durangodawood]

I've considered it, but considering my professional and life experience, I find the con men to be more subtle, not the loud obnoxious and obvious mouthy types.....

Depends on the target audience.

Some people are impressed by the "strength" and intimidation that showy loudmouths can project. Worked for Mussolini - for a time anyway.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Depends on the target audience.

Some people are impressed by the "strength" and intimidation that showy loudmouths can project. Worked for Mussolini - for a time anyway.

The really dangerous ones are undetected by most. Most believe the hype and the smooth words and don't pay attention to the incongruity between words and actions.

 

[durangodawood]

The really dangerous ones are undetected by most. They believe the hype and the smooth words and don't pay attention to the incongruity between words and actions.

For example....?

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

For example....?

You will have to do your own due diligence. Pay attention to serious hypocrisy; any time you are told what YOU must do but those decreeing it do not follow the same restrictions for themselves, take note.

 

[durangodawood]

You will have to do your own due diligence. Pay attention to serious hypocrisy; any time you are told what YOU must do but those decreeing it do not follow the same restrictions for themselves, take note.

Im asking who you think the con men are.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Im asking who you think the con men are.

Asked and answered. I've given the actual answer you need.

 

[durangodawood]

Asked and answered. I've given the actual answer you need.

Ok. Its plain youre being evasive about this. I wonder why.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Ok. Its plain youre being evasive about this. I wonder why.

Because I cannot make you see anything even if I explain it. You have to find truth yourself. You may be highly discerning or not discerning at all. I don't know.