Same-sex marriage grounds for firing Catholic school’s guidance counselor, appeals court says

[stevil]

Because the doctors are all Catholics at Catholic hospitals, right?

I don't accept that a religious belief can justify a doctor to unnecessarily do harm to their patient.

 

[Michie]

From your link

The growing fetus causes the tube to swell, and this swelling dangerously stretches the tube's outer wall. Left in this condition, the tube will ordinarily rupture; and unless surgery is performed very soon after the rupturing, the mother may die.

When the Fallopian tube is in this condition, would it be licit to slit it open and remove the fetus? Obviously this action would be gravely evil, for it would constitute a direct, unjust attack on the life of an innocent fetus. It would, in short, be murder. In such a procedure the operating surgeon would set out to destroy the fetus as a means of curing the mother, and thus he would directly intend its death. The same conclusion would follow if the physician used drugs, X ray, or any other method directly to terminate the life of the fetus.

So, because of the above moral judgement, they are instructed by the Church to destroy (by removing) the woman's fellopian tube.

Ectopic pregnancy

An ectopic pregnancy is when a fertilised egg implants itself outside of the womb, usually in one of the fallopian tubes.

www.nhs.uk

How an ectopic pregnancy is treated​

There are 2 main treatments for an ectopic pregnancy:

• expectant management – you're carefully monitored and 1 of the treatments below is used if the fertilised egg doesn't dissolve by itself
• medicine – an injection of a powerful medicine called methotrexate is used to stop the pregnancy growing
• surgery – keyhole surgery (laparoscopy) is performed under general anaesthetic to remove the fertilised egg, usually along with the affected fallopian tube

So from the above two articles we can see that the CC will not allow the Medicine approach which will not destroy the fellopian tube. and for the surgery approach rather then "usually along with the affeced fallopian tube" becomes "always along with th eaffected fallopian tube"

Methotrexate Treatment of Ectopic Pregnancy: Experience at Nizwa Hospital with Literature Review - PMC

Ectopic pregnancy occurs when the embryo fails to implant within the uterine cavity. Methotrexate, a folic acid antagonist has been widely used to treat ectopic pregnancy. The aim of this study is to determine the efficacy of methotrexate treatment ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Conclusion​

Methotrexate treatment of ectopic pregnancies is safe and effective with no major side effects. Intramuscular methotrexate has the advantage of tubal conservation and saves patients from requiring surgery. It is easier to administer than intraoperative route, which is by laparoscopy and needs expertise. Our study showed single dose methotrexate to be an effective treatment option for selected patients with unruptured tubal ectopic pregnancy.


In my opinion, by discarding the Methotrexate treatment option, the CC is unnecessarily permanently damaging the woman.

Well that is your opinion.

Question 4. What does the Magisterium say about the moral liceity of these three procedures?

Reply: The Magisterium is silent on these three specific procedures. There appears to be universal acceptance of salpingectomy among ethicists. Removal of the tube indirectly causes the death of the embryo. There is less agreement on the use of methotrexate, and there are strong concerns about the moral liceity of salpingostomy, which appears to be a direct attack on the embryo. Nonetheless, in the absence of magisterial direction, the use of any of these procedures becomes a matter of conscience. In the face of the certain death of the embryo regardless of the procedure used (or not used), one may weigh what is proportionately beneficial to preserve a woman’s fertility.

 

[Landon Caeli]

HUH? sounds like entrapment to me?

Shouldn't you be encouraging cordial participation rather than trying to trap members?

Entrapment of WHAT? You've already done what you've done, and don't seem to understand that insulting one is no worse than insulting the other.

What is it that prevents you from understanding this?

 

[stevil]

Well that is your opinion.

Reply: The Magisterium is silent on these three specific procedures. There appears to be universal acceptance of salpingectomy among ethicists. Removal of the tube indirectly causes the death of the embryo. There is less agreement on the use of methotrexate, and there are strong concerns about the moral liceity of salpingostomy, which appears to be a direct attack on the embryo. Nonetheless, in the absence of magisterial direction, the use of any of these procedures becomes a matter of conscience. In the face of the certain death of the embryo regardless of the procedure used (or not used), one may weigh what is proportionately beneficial to preserve a woman’s fertility.

Oh, thanks for providing that. That is interesting. A doctor's professional conscience and obedience to the Hippocratic oath should then be to provide the Methotrexate treatment option, and if they refuse that then the medical and legal profession ought to make them culpable of medical malpractice.

 

[stevil]

Entrapment of WHAT? You've already done what you've done, and don't seem to understand that insulting one is no worse than insulting the other.

What is it that prevents you from understanding this?

I understand what you are trying to do here.

 

[Michie]

Oh, thanks for providing that. That is interesting. A doctor's professional conscience and obedience to the Hippocratic oath should then be to provide the Methotrexate treatment option, and if they refuse that then the medical and legal profession ought to make them culpable of medical malpractice.

Lol! Reminds me of you comparing a nun to a klansman.

 

[BPPLEE]

HUH? sounds like entrapment to me?

Shouldn't you be encouraging cordial participation rather than trying to trap members?

Sounds like a question you just don’t want to answer

 

[Landon Caeli]

I understand what you are trying to do here.

I'm trying to show you something... I could have gone another route, and proved it to you, but I thought it would be more beneficial this way - talking about it.

 

[stevil]

I'm trying to show you something... I could have gone another route, and proved it to you, but I thought it would be more beneficial this way - talking about it.

Do you understand that I am against discrmination, and I equate that to hate?

 

[stevil]

Lol! Reminds me of you comparing a nun to a klansman.

Huh, you've lost me with that comment.

My comparison of nun to Klansman was that Nun's belong to an organisation that hates gays and actively do things to detriment gays. And Klansmen belong to an organisation that hate blacks and actively do things to detriment blacks.

 

[Michie]

Huh, you've lost me with that comment.

My comparison of nun to Klansman was that Nun's belong to an organisation that hates gays and actively do things to detriment gays. And Klansmen belong to an organisation that hate blacks and actively do things to detriment blacks.

Nuns don’t hate gays. Wrong again.

 

[Pommer]

Nuns don’t hate gays. Wrong again.

Right, they just don’t have to work alongside them.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Right, they just don’t have to work alongside them.

Do the 6000 nuns from the following article remind you of the KKK?

Thousands of Catholic nuns issue support for trans people and make call to “dismantle the systems” that reinforce violence against the community | GLAAD

On Transgender Day of Visibility approximately 6,000 nuns from several Catholic organizations wrote a letter “wholeheartedly” affirming the Church’s embrace of trans and nonbinary people. Approximately, 27 organizations signed onto the letter, which says: “As members of the body of Christ, we...

glaad.org

 

[Valletta]

Huh, you've lost me with that comment.

My comparison of nun to Klansman was that Nun's belong to an organisation that hates gays and actively do things to detriment gays. And Klansmen belong to an organisation that hate blacks and actively do things to detriment blacks.

The KKK went after Catholics and blacks. Please stop your slurs again Catholics, the Catholic Church does not "hate" gays. We are to love the sinner and hate the sin. It is sad that some people feel they can lie and act under false pretenses in signing but failing to uphold a contract with a Catholic school. Additionally, what we are seeing today in the United States are groups, including gay groups, that actively go after Catholics. The "sisters" recently honored by the L.A. Dodgers is one such group that has openly mocked Catholics and Catholic teaching. You really have the actual situation reversed in your mind.

 

[Pommer]

Do the 6000 nuns from the following article remind you of the KKK?

Thousands of Catholic nuns issue support for trans people and make call to “dismantle the systems” that reinforce violence against the community | GLAAD

On Transgender Day of Visibility approximately 6,000 nuns from several Catholic organizations wrote a letter “wholeheartedly” affirming the Church’s embrace of trans and nonbinary people. Approximately, 27 organizations signed onto the letter, which says: “As members of the body of Christ, we...

glaad.org

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Do we know if there are any trans woman who’ve become nuns?

 

[stevil]

Do the 6000 nuns from the following article remind you of the KKK?

From the article
"On Transgender Day of Visibility approximately 6,000 nuns from several Catholic organizations wrote a letter “wholeheartedly” affirming the Church’s embrace of trans and nonbinary people."

This seems to be a lie.
The Church as we know doesn't embrace trans and nonbinary people. The refuse to hire them, they won't adopt children out to them, they call them sinners. This is not embracing, it is the opposite.

 

[Pommer]

From the article
"On Transgender Day of Visibility approximately 6,000 nuns from several Catholic organizations wrote a letter “wholeheartedly” affirming the Church’s embrace of trans and nonbinary people."

This seems to be a lie.
The Church as we know doesn't embrace trans and nonbinary people. The refuse to hire them, they won't adopt children out to them, they call them sinners. This is not embracing, it is the opposite.

Yet people need to be free to be the kind of people that they profess to want to be.

With these “public aspirations”, (as it were), they’re bucking the PTB, with this proclamation, telling the Vatican that trans-people shouldn’t be fired from their jobs in Catholic organizations.
In effect, they’ve put their Eternal Salvation on the line.

That needs to be applauded for what it is; it also proves your larger point of the Church’s (Official) doctrines on the topics.

 

[stevil]

Do we know if there are any trans woman who’ve become nuns?

Or teachers in catholic schools, or counsellors in catholic schools or been allowed to adopt children from a catholic orphanage, or been married in a catholic church?

Are they embraced or shunned?

 

[Pommer]

Or teachers in catholic schools, or counsellors in catholic schools or been allowed to adopt children from a catholic orphanage, or been married in a catholic church?

Are they embraced or shunned?

Yes, shunned, according to the “Human Resources rubrics” of the Roman Catholic Church.
Our first amendment guarantees us the right of “free-association”; RC’s are very much allowed to discriminate on these grounds.
The letter (which I thought we were discussing), is the pushback by the “frontline troops” saying “this ain’t right,” jeopardizing their peace, livelihoods and the eternal salvation thing.
“Fighting from within”.
“Kudos” say I.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Yet people need to be free to be the kind of people that they profess to want to be.

With these “public aspirations”, (as it were), they’re bucking the PTB, with this proclamation, telling the Vatican that trans-people shouldn’t be fired from their jobs in Catholic organizations.
In effect, they’ve put their Eternal Salvation on the line.

That needs to be applauded for what it is; it also proves your larger point of the Church’s (Official) doctrines on the topics.

No, I don't think anyone is implying that lgbtq shouldn't be fired from Catholic organizations. Everyone still thinks they should be. Even the Nuns.