Trump and Allies Forge Plans to Increase Presidential Power in 2025

[FreeinChrist]

If he were to win....

Trump and Allies Forge Plans to Increase Presidential Power in 2025

The former president and his backers aim to strengthen the power of the White House and limit the independence of federal agencies.

www.nytimes.com

Their plans to centralize more power in the Oval Office stretch far beyond the former president’s recent remarks that he would order a criminal investigation into his political rival, President Biden, signaling his intent to end the post-Watergate norm of Justice Department independence from White House political control......​

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Mr. Trump intends to bring independent agencies — like the Federal Communications Commission, which makes and enforces rules for television and internet companies, and the Federal Trade Commission, which enforces various antitrust and other consumer protection rules against businesses — under direct presidential control.....​

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He wants to revive the practice of “impounding” funds, refusing to spend money Congress has appropriated for programs a president doesn’t like — a tactic that lawmakers banned under President Richard Nixon.​

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He intends to strip employment protections from tens of thousands of career civil servants, making it easier to replace them if they are deemed obstacles to his agenda. And he plans to scour the intelligence agencies, the State Department and the defense bureaucracies to remove officials he has vilified as “the sick political class that hates our country.....​

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And for some veterans of Mr. Trump’s turbulent White House who came to question his fitness for leadership, the prospect of removing guardrails and centralizing even greater power over government directly in his hands sounded like a recipe for mayhem.​

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“It would be chaotic,” said John F. Kelly, Mr. Trump’s second White House chief of staff. “It just simply would be chaotic, because he’d continually be trying to exceed his authority but the sycophants would go along with it. It would be a nonstop gunfight with the Congress and the courts.”......​

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Personal power has always been a driving force for Mr. Trump. He often gestures toward it in a more simplistic manner, such as in 2019, when he declared to a cheering crowd, “I have an Article 2, where I have the right to do whatever I want as president.”​

How to start a dictatorship?

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

How to start a dictatorship?

Exactly!

 

[Vambram]

I don't believe anything the failing NY Times published unless there is real incontrovertible proof from other sources.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I've long thought that Trump's ignorance of how the government actually works prevented him from doing more damage during his presidency. There are guardrails and laws and checks-and-balances that prevent presidents from being kings. It's no surprise that his response is not to spend some time learning how the system actually works, but to remove the guardrails.

 

[mala]

I don't believe anything the failing NY Times published unless there is real incontrovertible proof from other sources.

so you don't believe anything unless your favourite source tells you in which case you will believe it without question like you were programmed and you also have a habit of ignoring things in general that don't align with your already established worldviews? that about sum you up right?

 

[FreeinChrist]

I don't believe anything the failing NY Times published unless there is real incontrovertible proof from other sources.

Here is a video of Trump talking about the impoundment policy he wants to bring back:

 

[Pommer]

I've long thought that Trump's ignorance of how the government actually works prevented him from doing more damage during his presidency. There are guardrails and laws and checks-and-balances that prevent presidents from being kings. It's no surprise that his response is not to spend some time learning how the system actually works, but to remove the guardrails.

Just when I thought that this run on this political-rollycoaster was just about over!
(We gotta roller-coaster in Pittsburgh that begins with a drop-hill, owning to it being built over a steep ravine, it’s still a bit disconcerting after many rides.)

 

[Vambram]

so you don't believe anything unless your favourite source tells you in which case you will believe it without question like you were programmed and you also have a habit of ignoring things in general that don't align with your already established worldviews? that about sum you up right?

Projecting much?

I have been insulted before, but it is sad to read an insult on Christianforums.com

 

[FreeinChrist]

I don't believe anything the failing NY Times published unless there is real incontrovertible proof from other sources.

Also, check Trump's own site:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47/agenda47-liberating-america-from-bidens-regulatory-onslaught

President Trump will bring the independent regulatory agencies, such as the FCC and the FTC, back under Presidential authority, as the Constitution demands. No longer will unelected members of the Washington Swamp be allowed to act as the fourth branch of our Republic.

There is the statement about bringing independent agencies under the control of the President.

 

[Vambram]

Also, check Trump's own site:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47/agenda47-liberating-america-from-bidens-regulatory-onslaught

There is the statement about bringing independent agencies under the control of the President.

The administrative bureaucracies have become far too large.
I believe congress and the president should reign them in.
Unelected bureaucrats should not have so much control over our nation.

 

[wing2000]

The administrative bureaucracies have become far too large.
I believe congress and the president should reign them in.
Unelected bureaucrats should not have so much control over our nation.

Such as? Name one example.

 

[wing2000]

Mr. Trump intends to bring independent agencies — like the Federal Communications Commission, which makes and enforces rules for television and internet companies, and the Federal Trade Commission, which enforces various antitrust and other consumer protection rules against businesses — under direct presidential control.

Does the FCC have too much control?
Do you really think Donald Trump (or insert politician name) should be exercising control over the FCC?

 

[FreeinChrist]

The administrative bureaucracies have become far too large.
I believe congress and the president should reign them in.
Unelected bureaucrats should not have so much control over our nation.

I posted it to address your comment about the source in post #3.

 

[NxNW]

I don't believe anything the failing NY Times published unless there is real incontrovertible proof from other sources.

Who says they're failing?

 

[NxNW]

The administrative bureaucracies have become far too large.
I believe congress and the president should reign them in.
Unelected bureaucrats should not have so much control over our nation.

So the NYT is accurate?

 

[Say it aint so]

I don't believe anything the failing NY Times published unless there is real incontrovertible proof from other sources.

Kind of matches what Trump says all the time. Kind of matches what some of his ex-advisors had to stop him from doing when he was president.

 

[Say it aint so]

"If you don't learn from history, you're doomed to repeat it".

Keep in mind the whole point why the Founding Fathers of this nation left England and established a nation based on the separation of powers. Of course, Trump doesn't read history.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

If he were to win....

Trump and Allies Forge Plans to Increase Presidential Power in 2025

The former president and his backers aim to strengthen the power of the White House and limit the independence of federal agencies.

www.nytimes.com

Their plans to centralize more power in the Oval Office stretch far beyond the former president’s recent remarks that he would order a criminal investigation into his political rival, President Biden, signaling his intent to end the post-Watergate norm of Justice Department independence from White House political control......​

​

Mr. Trump intends to bring independent agencies — like the Federal Communications Commission, which makes and enforces rules for television and internet companies, and the Federal Trade Commission, which enforces various antitrust and other consumer protection rules against businesses — under direct presidential control.....​

​

He wants to revive the practice of “impounding” funds, refusing to spend money Congress has appropriated for programs a president doesn’t like — a tactic that lawmakers banned under President Richard Nixon.​

​

He intends to strip employment protections from tens of thousands of career civil servants, making it easier to replace them if they are deemed obstacles to his agenda. And he plans to scour the intelligence agencies, the State Department and the defense bureaucracies to remove officials he has vilified as “the sick political class that hates our country.....​

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And for some veterans of Mr. Trump’s turbulent White House who came to question his fitness for leadership, the prospect of removing guardrails and centralizing even greater power over government directly in his hands sounded like a recipe for mayhem.​

​

“It would be chaotic,” said John F. Kelly, Mr. Trump’s second White House chief of staff. “It just simply would be chaotic, because he’d continually be trying to exceed his authority but the sycophants would go along with it. It would be a nonstop gunfight with the Congress and the courts.”......​

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Personal power has always been a driving force for Mr. Trump. He often gestures toward it in a more simplistic manner, such as in 2019, when he declared to a cheering crowd, “I have an Article 2, where I have the right to do whatever I want as president.”​

How to start a dictatorship?

I knew this was a NYT slant when I saw the first few words. NO, correcting serious overreach is NOT being a dictator. Biden has been more dictatorial than Trump ever was, issuing mandates as to what new drug with no long term data one must take just to go to work, and transferring loans to taxpayers which he had ZERO authority to do, for just two examples.

I read the piece and it's just a hit piece to stir up fear on Trump - who may or may NOT even be the nominee.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Biden has been more dictatorial than Trump ever was, issuing mandates as to what new drug with no long term data one must take just to go to work, and transferring loans to taxpayers which he had ZERO authority to do, for just two examples.

Shouldn't the proper, conservative, non-authoritarian response then be to reduce the president's power to mandate decisions best left to medical or economic experts?

Shouldn't we celebrate the independence of the FCC and the FTC from political interference from our president?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Shouldn't the proper, conservative, non-authoritarian response then be to reduce the president's power to mandate decisions best left to medical or economic experts?

That was a principle of *small-government* conservatism, but that era is gone and we now have large-government "conservatism", though you may find other labels more illustrative.

Shouldn't we celebrate the independence of the FCC and the FTC from political interference from our president?

We all should. I believe all of these boards have partisan limits that maximize the number of commissioners (in these two cases, or the postal governors, etc.) of any one party at half.