Same-sex marriage grounds for firing Catholic school’s guidance counselor, appeals court says

[HARK!]

A Catholic high school in Indianapolis, Indiana, retained the right to fire a school guidance counselor whose same-sex marriage violated the school’s employment contract and church teachings, a federal appeals court ruled Thursday.

Same-sex marriage grounds for firing Catholic school’s guidance counselor, appeals court says

A Catholic high school in Indianapolis, Indiana, retained the right to fire a school guidance counselor whose same-sex marriage violated the school’s employment contract and church teachings, a federal appeals court ruled Thursday.

www.washingtontimes.com

 

[Valletta]

My nan told me about how her mother's experiences of going to a Catholic boarding school were so bad, she raised her children (my nan and her siblings) without a belief in God. For that reason, I'm a fourth generation atheist.

So, lets also remember the suffering of children at the hands of Catholic priests and nuns.



Unless a preist rapes children. Then they simply get moved to a different parish to rape even more children.

I worked at a company with the same attitude. They said they tried a woman manager once and she was a drunk so they never tried a woman manager again. The vast majority of priests and nuns give their lives to holy and charitable causes. In the United States while the new cases of priests committing sexual offenses is in the single digits and should be zero, it is far less than practically anywhere else. A lot of people are still in denial of the problem in our society and our country would do well to adopt the strict regulations implemented by the Catholic Church. I suggest you go see the movie "Song of Freedom," if it is too expensive for you you can get a free ticket.

 

[BPPLEE]

I worked at a company with the same attitude. They said they tried a woman manager once and she was a drunk so they never tried a woman manager again. The vast majority of priests and nuns give their lives to holy and charitable causes. In the United States while the new cases of priests committing sexual offenses is in the single digits and should be zero, it is far less than practically anywhere else. A lot of people are still in denial of the problem in our society and our country would do well to adopt the strict regulations implemented by the Catholic Church. I suggest you go see the movie "Song of Freedom," if it is too expensive for you you can get a free ticket.

I’m not Catholic and I don’t adhere to all their beliefs but the anti Catholic hate being displayed here is alarming. It’s like you don’t have any rights. Tyranny of the minority is what I call it

 

[Valletta]

I’m not Catholic and I don’t adhere to all their beliefs but the anti Catholic hate being displayed here is alarming. It’s like you don’t have any rights. Tyranny of the minority is what I call it

While some is left over from Reformation times, a large portion is really against all Christianity. Those who are pro-abortion or pro-gay very much tend to focus on the Catholic Church.

 

[Belk]

I’m not Catholic and I don’t adhere to all their beliefs but the anti Catholic hate being displayed here is alarming. It’s like you don’t have any rights. Tyranny of the minority is what I call it

You mean like if someone decided that you should just be able to fire Catholics and then people jumped on to defending the people doing the firing since it was so sad someone was mean to them?

Irony, it's not just for boards anymore.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I really think it stretches the law to assert that the 'ministerial exception' applies to guidance counselors or any other lay staff of a school.

 

[BPPLEE]

You mean like if someone decided that you should just be able to fire Catholics and then people jumped on to defending the people doing the firing since it was so sad someone was mean to them?

Irony, it's not just for boards anymore.

The Catholic Church doesn’t have the right to ask that its employees have the same moral standards that they do? I believe these people agreed to do that and then didn’t keep their end of the bargain

 

[Belk]

The Catholic Church doesn’t have the right to ask that its employees have the same moral standards that they do? I believe these people agreed to do that and then didn’t keep their end of the bargain

 

[BPPLEE]

Whatever that means. If it wasn’t from you I would consider it goading

 

[BPPLEE]

I really think it stretches the law to assert that the 'ministerial exception' applies to guidance counselors or any other lay staff of a school.

A private school? I don’t think it’s a stretch

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

The Catholic Church doesn’t have the right to ask that its employees have the same moral standards that they do? I believe these people agreed to do that and then didn’t keep their end of the bargain

I personally don't care about who religious people hire in their churches or religious schools. As long as they don't abuse children/ teens or other people. And keep their moral views in their church. And not in my world. But as someone said that the Catholics church has a history of letting their priest being transferred, when they get caught, raping children / people. They get sent to another church, get to continue raping children or people. When it's a gay person, that doesn't rape, they get fire. This is what the world has seen.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

A Catholic high school in Indianapolis, Indiana, retained the right to fire a school guidance counselor whose same-sex marriage violated the school’s employment contract and church teachings, a federal appeals court ruled Thursday.

Same-sex marriage grounds for firing Catholic school’s guidance counselor, appeals court says

A Catholic high school in Indianapolis, Indiana, retained the right to fire a school guidance counselor whose same-sex marriage violated the school’s employment contract and church teachings, a federal appeals court ruled Thursday.

www.washingtontimes.com

"In citing the “ministerial exception” that allows religious organizations to determine who can be employed in a religious function, the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals again said that clause allowed Roncalli High School, owned by the Archdiocese of Indianapolis, to not renew the employment contract of Michelle Fitzgerald, a co-director of guidance at the school."

This is a long-established point of law, under the First Amendment.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

I personally don't care about who religious people hire in their churches or religious schools. As long as they don't abuse children/ teens or other people. And keep their moral views in their church. And not in my world. But as someone said that the Catholics church has a history of letting their priest being transferred, when they get caught, raping children / people. They get sent to another church, get to continue raping children or people. When it's a gay person, that doesn't rape, they get fire. This is what the world has seen.

Of course the priest transfer issue is wrong. Not relevant here; entirely separate issue.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

A private school? I don’t think it’s a stretch

A Catholic school. It's a religious school and you know the tenets and requirements when you accept the job. If you do not agree or cannot meet the terms required of you, get a different job.

 

[BPPLEE]

I personally don't care about who religious people hire in their churches or religious schools. As long as they don't abuse children/ teens or other people. And keep their moral views in their church. And not in my world. But as someone said that the Catholics church has a history of letting their priest being transferred, when they get caught, raping children / people. They get sent to another church, get to continue raping children or people. When it's a gay person, that doesn't rape, they get fire. This is what the world has seen.

Yes they had quite a scandal. Hopefully they learned from their mistakes.

 

[Belk]

Whatever that means. If it wasn’t from you I would consider it goading

That is my reaction to pointing out you are treating the two groups different and having you, as far as I can tell, completely miss the point.

If it is wrong for group X to do why is it okay for group Y?

 

[BPPLEE]

That is my reaction to pointing out you are treating the two groups different and having you, as far as I can tell, completely miss the point.

If it is wrong for group X to do why is it okay for group Y?

You’re missing the point. For instance should a Christian school be required to hire an atheist? Or what if a Catholic school fired a teacher for living with someone without being married?
These people knew what was expected of them when they took the job.
Some people believe that practicing homosexuals are acting contrary to their religious beliefs and no matter how bad you want to change that they have a right to disagree with you.
The pro LGBTQ crowd wants to take away the right to disagree with them.
They have invented words for people who disagree and the very reason they would want to work at a Catholic school is to try to impose their lifestyle on people who disagree

 

[Hans Blaster]

I really think it stretches the law to assert that the 'ministerial exception' applies to guidance counselors or any other lay staff of a school.

Does this position (guidence counselor) require the employee to be Catholic?

 

[Valletta]

I personally don't care about who religious people hire in their churches or religious schools. As long as they don't abuse children/ teens or other people. And keep their moral views in their church. And not in my world. But as someone said that the Catholics church has a history of letting their priest being transferred, when they get caught, raping children / people. They get sent to another church, get to continue raping children or people. When it's a gay person, that doesn't rape, they get fire. This is what the world has seen.

I think you too also have a the right to your own beliefs, as long as you don't abuse children or teens or other people. The Catholic Church has a great history of charity and love and faith in Our Lord, but the reality is that the wheat is not separated from the tares and there will be grave sinners and outstanding saints until the end of time throughout the Catholic Church and the entire world. As to the sexual scandal, unfortunately the psychology "experts" of the day in the last century were certain that the abusers could be cured, so they were often sent to some clinic and then transferred to another parish. The truth is these predators have life long urges and so many are not cured. Tragically, few today have adopted the rigorous regulations of the Catholic Church of this century, it seems people are very much in denial of the problems in public schools, sports and youth organizations and the society of today. The secular society of today does not want to admit the high percentage of homosexuals who commit such crimes. It took FIVE YEARS fighting for the film "Song of Freedom" starring Catholic Jim Caviezel to get released to the theaters. The current administration is fueling child abuse in numbers never before seen through their border policies, and people need to take action today.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Does this position (guidence counselor) require the employee to be Catholic?

I don't know about this particular case. It seems the plaintiff bragged of having gone regularly to mass, but it's not clear whether she took Communion. And I haven't seen her religion discussed directly.

However, in a previous SCOTUS ruling (that largely guided this decision I expect)...

"The Court reaches this result even though the teachers taught primarily secular subjects, lacked substantial religious titles and training, and were not even required to be Catholic," Sotomayor wrote in an opinion that was joined by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.