• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

CDC accused of ignoring science with ‘chestfeeding’ advice for transgender parents

comana

Senior Veteran
Site Supporter
Jan 19, 2005
7,951
4,513
Colorado
✟1,133,634.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
It’s all too much! They are going to far with this lgbtq stuff. What will happen next transgender men claiming they have a womb? The CDC reports chest feeding?
Well….
 
Upvote 0

Hank77

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Jun 26, 2015
26,665
15,709
✟1,231,899.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
It’s all too much! They are going to far with this lgbtq stuff. What will happen next transgender men claiming they have a womb? The CDC reports chest feeding?
Transgender men do have wombs unless they had them surgically removed.

A trans man is a man who was assigned female at birth.
He is a biological woman, an XX.
 
Upvote 0

SeventhFisherofMen

You cannot fool Jesus
Site Supporter
Jan 9, 2013
3,443
1,726
34
CA
✟520,807.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Separated
Politics
US-Republican
Quote from the report. Didn't you read what's been posted?
Some transgender parents who have had breast/top surgery may wish to breastfeed, or chestfeed (a term used by some transgender and non-binary parents), their infants.
I hate to break it to you but a man that has had chest surgery is still a man. God is not going to allow for men to biologically "chest feed" anyone.

Also hate to break it to you, if something is coming out of the nipple of a man, it's not milk.
 
Upvote 0

Hank77

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Jun 26, 2015
26,665
15,709
✟1,231,899.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
I hate to break it to you but a man that has had chest surgery is still a man. God is not going to allow for men to biologically "chest feed" anyone.
I hate to break it to you. A transman is not a male from birth they are a female at birth with a womb and breasts with milk ducts.

They are not a biological man they are a TRANSGENDER man. They transitioned from female to male.

Definition: A trans man is a man who was assigned female at birth.

Here maybe you will listen to FOXNews.
 
Upvote 0

Sabri

Pentecostal -Apostolic
Nov 20, 2022
981
207
44
Mo
✟39,809.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Apostolic
Marital Status
Married
Transgender men do have wombs unless they had them surgically removed.

A trans man is a man who was assigned female at birth.
He is a biological woman, an XX.
Listen i can’t keep up with it all trans men trans women LGBTQ xyz abc it’s all nonsensical. Chest breast what’s it about? Changing names to fit communities? She he her all of it too much
 
Upvote 0

Sabri

Pentecostal -Apostolic
Nov 20, 2022
981
207
44
Mo
✟39,809.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Apostolic
Marital Status
Married
Well….
Wake me when it’s all over. My prayer lord please please come back soon. Come now.
 
Upvote 0

Hank77

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Jun 26, 2015
26,665
15,709
✟1,231,899.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
Chest breast what’s it about? Changing names to fit communities?
It's not chest breast, some trans and bi say chestfeeding, rather than breastfeeding, which doesn't make any sense at all because both women's and men's breasts have always been called breasts, not chests. The chest is a whole larger area of the upper body of both men and women.

I don't blame you for your confusion, I was too for quite a while until I decided I needed to understand what was being said, even though I really didn't want to.
 
Upvote 0

IceJad

Regular Member
May 23, 2005
2,146
1,448
42
✟137,061.00
Country
Malaysia
Faith
Lutheran
Marital Status
Single
Critics on the right accused the center of seeking to appease the transgender lobby by promoting medically inaccurate information, arguing that biological males cannot nurse babies no matter how they identify.

“Biden’s #CDC now issuing guidance on how ‘men’ can ‘chestfeed,’” tweeted Texas state Rep. Brian Harrison. “The only ‘science’ they’re following is political science.”

Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, said, “President Biden’s policies risk the lives of children to advance the fantasies of confused adults.”

“How far will the Biden administration’s agenda go? If a president had proposed this just a decade ago, it would have prompted the use of Article 25,” said Mr. Perkins, referring to the U.S. Constitution’s procedures for replacing a president due to death, resignation or incapacitation.


I mean let them do as they wish, it is their children. If they force feed any other child besides their own then take them to court.

I have long lost hope in American institutes being scientifically inclined. I'm not surprise if one day the CDC says transwoman can produce ovum or transman can produce sperm.

There use to be a time where people call religious people superstitious and unscientific. Oh how the western world has flipped.
 
Upvote 0

Hank77

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Jun 26, 2015
26,665
15,709
✟1,231,899.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
I mean let them do as they wish, it is their children. If they force feed any other child besides their own then take them to court.

I have long lost hope in American institutes being scientifically inclined. I'm not surprise if one day the CDC says transwoman can produce ovum or transman can produce sperm.

There use to be a time where people call religious people superstitious and unscientific. Oh how the western world has flipped.
Why do you keep pushing this lie? The article is lying and that's been proven right here, so why do you keep it up? What's your motivation, I'm really interested in why you are doing this.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: public hermit
Upvote 0

SeventhFisherofMen

You cannot fool Jesus
Site Supporter
Jan 9, 2013
3,443
1,726
34
CA
✟520,807.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Separated
Politics
US-Republican
I hate to break it to you. A transman is not a male from birth they are a female at birth with a womb and breasts with milk ducts.

They are not a biological man they are a TRANSGENDER man. They transitioned from female to male.

Definition: A trans man is a man who was assigned female at birth.

Here maybe you will listen to FOXNews.
no where did i mention a woman who changed to a man, nor did i say trans man. If you read what i wrote i'm referring to men. Period. If they were female at birth then you answered yourself, they are still female to me. I'm referring to men who are men at birth trying to be female. that's a TRANS WOMAN
 
Upvote 0

Hank77

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Jun 26, 2015
26,665
15,709
✟1,231,899.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
no where did i mention a woman who changed to a man, nor did i say trans man. If you read what i wrote i'm referring to men. Period. If they were female at birth then you answered yourself, they are still female to me. I'm referring to men who are men at birth trying to be female. that's a TRANS WOMAN
I know you are but that's not who the CDC is referring to. The CDC is talking about biological females who identify as males.

Men don't have breast surgery, they take female hormones and may get implants.

Females get breast reduction surgery and that is what the CDC is talking about and the question is, "Can they still breastfeed?"

If I'm wrong explain to me what the CDC report says. Help me out here.
 
Upvote 0

RDKirk

Alien, Pilgrim, and Sojourner
Site Supporter
Mar 3, 2013
42,451
23,114
US
✟1,765,046.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Since this is about the CDC write-up, I figure it's more useful to look at that directly rather than through the Washington Time punditry lens...

View attachment 333137

While I'm often critical of some of things that have been lumped in with the LGBT movement, this one in particular isn't as off-base.

So, if the staunch conservative talking point is "There's no such thing as transmen, just a woman who's confused", then why wouldn't that person be able to breastfeed? Same goes for people who identify as non-binary (I have some larger issues with that designation, and feel is often just a "catch-all" for certain progressives who "want to be anything other than cis/straight" so they can sit at the proverbial "cool table"... but that aside), a substantial number of people who identify that way are biological females (which, again, we know can breastfeed)

So the CDC hasn't really said anything inaccurate with regards to this one.

Is the outrage purely just surrounding the nomenclature they opted to include?

...because medical publications have used "pop-culture" terms before when referring to actual things.

For instance, if there was an article about vasectomies and the author opted to include the line "or as some people call it, getting snipped" or referred to tubal ligation as "getting your tubes tied", would it draw a huge amount of backlash?
Why would a transman want to breastfeed?
 
Upvote 0

hedrick

Senior Veteran
Site Supporter
Feb 8, 2009
20,504
10,870
New Jersey
✟1,359,163.00
Faith
Presbyterian
Marital Status
Single
Where is the link for this?
The one that is 'shown' simply does not give any supporting evidence for your statement......
The link is in the Washington Times article. The CDC guidance is not claiming what the article implies it is. The guidance is part of a page abput how people who have had breast surgery can breast feed. Thus it’s clear that it is talking about trans men (women who transition to men). The Times is intentionally choosing an interpretation that turns it into nonsense.
 
Upvote 0

civilwarbuff

Constitutionalist
Site Supporter
May 28, 2015
15,873
7,590
Columbus
✟757,457.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Constitution
The link is in the Washington Times article. The CDC guidance is not claiming what the article implies it is. The guidance is part of a page abput how people who have had breast surgery can breast feed. Thus it’s clear that it is talking about trans men (women who transition to men). The Times is intentionally choosing an interpretation that turns it into nonsense.
This is what I get from the "link":
1689428459368.png

So, once more, where is the supporting evidence?......not unsupported claims but REAL evidence.....like in medical studies?
 
Upvote 0

HARK!

שמע
Christian Forums Staff
Supervisor
Site Supporter
Oct 29, 2017
65,508
10,790
US
✟1,587,781.00
Country
United States
Faith
Messianic
Marital Status
Private
Because it’s good for the baby?
No. It's harmful.

The report’s findings have been challenged by critics arguing that whatever “nipple discharge” was produced wasn’t nutritious breast milk. In addition, the Food and Drug Administration warned nursing mothers against using domperidone to induce milk production in 2004.

 
Upvote 0

HARK!

שמע
Christian Forums Staff
Supervisor
Site Supporter
Oct 29, 2017
65,508
10,790
US
✟1,587,781.00
Country
United States
Faith
Messianic
Marital Status
Private
Transgender men do have wombs unless they had them surgically removed.

A trans man is a man who was assigned female at birth.
He is a biological woman, an XX.
So in other words a trans man is a woman pretending to be a man.

Why not just call her a woman?
 
Upvote 0

Hank77

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Jun 26, 2015
26,665
15,709
✟1,231,899.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
So in other words a trans man is a woman pretending to be a man.
I'd say a transman is a woman who believes her true self is male or for some other reason she wishes to be male therefore she chooses to be a transman.
Why not just call her a woman?
Well, I think the trans label is a descriptive adjective kind of like describing a little girl as a tomboy, it's just a descriptive label. A man may be a cowboy, he's not a cow or a boy but this label describes his lifestyle and his job.
 
Upvote 0