Jesus ate the Paschal lamb before he was crucified

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Right, we miscommunicated.

What does it mean when the Bible mentions the Passover Festival?

Passover is the 14th...Chag HaMatzot are from the 15th to the 21st, evening to evening.

 

[tonychanyt]

No I didn't. If you think that then Luke contradicts Exodus! Have you read it in the original Greek? When is the chametz removed?

Luke 22:7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread, on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed.

What was the date?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Luke 22:7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread, on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed.

What was the date?

The beginning of the 14th IMO...read Luke 22:1

 

[tonychanyt]

The beginning of the 14th IMO...read Luke 22:1

Right. When did they kill the paschal lamb?

 

[ralliann]

2 new years as in one civil and the other feastal. The 14th is the 14th. The 14th in the evening is now the 15th.

Yep, and it is also how they count the civil and liturgical days.

 

[ralliann]

Passover is the 14th...Chag HaMatzot are from the 15th to the 21st, evening to evening.

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This is how they did it.​

From chabad .org​

A Long Day​

Also note that, in a certain sense, the celebration of the 15th is considered to be an extension of the 14th. How so? With regard to sacrifices, the verse states, “And the flesh of his thanksgiving peace offering shall be eaten on the day it is offered up; he shall not leave any of it over until morning.”4 In other words, if you were given one day to eat an offering, the day consisted of the daytime followed by its night (unlike all other purposes, for which Jewish calendar days consist of the night followed by the day). Thus, as far as sacrifices are concerned, the night after a sacrifice is brought is an extension of the day it is brought.5

Therefore, when it comes to the celebration of the Passover sacrifice, while it was eaten on the 15th, it was considered to be the same day as the 14th.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Right. When did they kill the paschal lamb?

on the 14th...between the evenings

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Yep, and it is also how they count the civil and liturgical days.

and? They are not different calendars

 

[ralliann]

and? They are not different calendars

No, just different days.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

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This is how they did it.​

From chabad .org​

A Long Day​

Also note that, in a certain sense, the celebration of the 15th is considered to be an extension of the 14th. How so? With regard to sacrifices, the verse states, “And the flesh of his thanksgiving peace offering shall be eaten on the day it is offered up; he shall not leave any of it over until morning.”4 In other words, if you were given one day to eat an offering, the day consisted of the daytime followed by its night (unlike all other purposes, for which Jewish calendar days consist of the night followed by the day). Thus, as far as sacrifices are concerned, the night after a sacrifice is brought is an extension of the day it is brought.5

Therefore, when it comes to the celebration of the Passover sacrifice, while it was eaten on the 15th, it was considered to be the same day as the 14th.

I think you are confusing different things here. It says:

The meat of the peace offering of thanksgiving must be eaten on the same day it is offered. None of it may be saved for the next morning.
If you bring an offering to fulfill a vow or as a voluntary offering, the meat must be eaten on the same day the sacrifice is offered, but whatever is left over may be eaten on the second day. Any meat left over until the third day must be completely burned up. If any of the meat from the peace offering is eaten on the third day, the person who presented it will not be accepted by the LORD . You will receive no credit for offering it. By then the meat will be contaminated; if you eat it, you will be punished for your sin.

Passover: Do not offer the blood of a sacrifice to me along with anything containing yeast, and do not let any of the sacrifice from the Passover Festival remain until morning. They must not leave any of it till morning or break any of its bones. The Israelites set out from Rameses on the fifteenth day of the first month, the day after the Passover. You must sacrifice the Passover in the evening, when the sun goes down, on the anniversary of your departure from Egypt.

see the difference??/

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

No, just different days.

So? The 14th is a different day than the 15th, and so on...

 

[ralliann]

So? The 14th is a different day than the 15th, and so on...

Liturgically yes. The days of unleavened bread are evening to evening. The feast days liturgically concern their sacrifices, are morning by morning. Each day has it's sacrifice for the feast days. Besides, What I copied and pasted was how Jew's did it.
Daily two sacrifices, one in the morning, and one in the evening.......Liturgical....
Nu 28:4 The one lamb shalt thou offer in the morning, and the other lamb shalt thou offer at even;
Nu 28:8 And the other lamb shalt thou offer at even: as the meat offering of the morning, and as the drink offering thereof, thou shalt offer it, a sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD.
See here.........
17 And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten.
18 In the first day shall be an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work therein:
19 But ye shall offer a sacrifice made by fire for a burnt offering unto the LORD; two young bullocks, and one ram, and seven lambs of the first year: they shall be unto you without blemish:
20 And their meat offering shall be of flour mingled with oil: three tenth deals shall ye offer for a bullock, and two tenth deals for a ram;
21 A several tenth deal shalt thou offer for every lamb, throughout the seven lambs:
22 And one goat for a sin offering, to make an atonement for you.
23 Ye shall offer these beside the burnt offering in the morning, which is for a continual burnt offering.
24 After this manner ye shall offer daily, throughout the seven days, the meat of the sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD: it shall be offered beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.

I emphasized vs 22 because Josephus records that these goats for sin were added specifically as a feast for the priests. As only they could eat a sin offering.
I am not sure if you are familiar with Alfred Edersheim, but he has written several book on the temple and Judaism. He says, he cannot understand how the church could not miss this sacrifice as a feast for the priests in Joh 18:28.
Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover.
They were to leave none of the sacrifices till the fowing morning. These days each had a sacrifice of their own.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Liturgically yes. The days of unleavened bread are evening to evening. The feast days liturgically concern their sacrifices, are morning by morning. Each day has it's sacrifice for the feast days. Besides, What I copied and pasted was how Jew's did it.
Daily two sacrifices, one in the morning, and one in the evening.......Liturgical....
Nu 28:4 The one lamb shalt thou offer in the morning, and the other lamb shalt thou offer at even;
Nu 28:8 And the other lamb shalt thou offer at even: as the meat offering of the morning, and as the drink offering thereof, thou shalt offer it, a sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD.
See here.........
17 And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten.
18 In the first day shall be an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work therein:
19 But ye shall offer a sacrifice made by fire for a burnt offering unto the LORD; two young bullocks, and one ram, and seven lambs of the first year: they shall be unto you without blemish:
20 And their meat offering shall be of flour mingled with oil: three tenth deals shall ye offer for a bullock, and two tenth deals for a ram;
21 A several tenth deal shalt thou offer for every lamb, throughout the seven lambs:
22 And one goat for a sin offering, to make an atonement for you.
23 Ye shall offer these beside the burnt offering in the morning, which is for a continual burnt offering.
24 After this manner ye shall offer daily, throughout the seven days, the meat of the sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD: it shall be offered beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.

I emphasized vs 22 because Josephus records that these goats for sin were added specifically as a feast for the priests. As only they could eat a sin offering.
I am not sure if you are familiar with Alfred Edersheim, but he has written several book on the temple and Judaism. He says, he cannot understand how the church could not miss this sacrifice as a feast for the priests in Joh 18:28.
Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover.

I know all about the Temple sacrifices. Yeshua was not the Hagigah...the peace offering was divided three ways: some to God, some to the priest, and the remainder came back to the offerer. Yeshua was the lamb...The Lamb of God...the Hagigah was offered with the Paschal lamb, it was not the Paschal lamb...these offerings cannot be the actual Passover, because of the rules regarding the Passover having to be roasted and from a lamb or a kid of the goats. The prophecies regarding Yeshua were of THE Pascahal lamb...no bones broken, gone in the morning (in the tomb), etc...He was brought into the hall, convicted and crucified on the 14th. That evening the priests and all would eat The Passover.

 

[ralliann]

I know all about the Temple sacrifices. Yeshua was not the Hagigah...the peace offering was divided three ways: some to God, some to the priest, and the remainder came back to the offerer. Yeshua was the lamb...The Lamb of God...the Hagigah was offered with the Paschal lamb, it was not the Paschal lamb...these offerings cannot be the actual Passover, because of the rules regarding the Passover having to be roasted and from a lamb or a kid of the goats. The prophecies regarding Yeshua were of THE Pascahal lamb...no bones broken, gone in the morning (in the tomb), etc...He was brought into the hall, convicted and crucified on the 14th. That evening the priests and all would eat The Passover.

No, He and the apostles already had passover
The passover, is not a sin offering (atonement). The passover was the blood of the new covenant.
Mr 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.

The goat for sin, is self explanatory. It is a sin offering. WHICH ONLY IS FOR THE PRIEST TO EAT. And Josephus clearly and plainly says, it is added to all the rest as it is intenbded as a feast for the priests.

Lev. 25 Speak unto Aaron and to his sons, saying, This is the law of the sin offering: In the place where the burnt offering is killed shall the sin offering be killed before the LORD: it is most holy.
26 The priest that offereth it for sin shall eat it: in the holy place shall it be eaten, in the court of the tabernacle of the congregation.
27 Whatsoever shall touch the flesh thereof shall be holy: and when there is sprinkled of the blood thereof upon any garment, thou shalt wash that whereon it was sprinkled in the holy place.

Jo 18 Is the morning after the passover.................

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

No, He and the apostles already had passover
The passover, is not a sin offering (atonement). The passover was the blood of the new covenant.
Mr 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.

The goat for sin, is self explanatory. It is a sin offering. WHICH ONLY IS FOR THE PRIEST TO EAT. And Josephus clearly and plainly says, it is added to all the rest as it is intenbded as a feast for the priests.

Lev. 25 Speak unto Aaron and to his sons, saying, This is the law of the sin offering: In the place where the burnt offering is killed shall the sin offering be killed before the LORD: it is most holy.
26 The priest that offereth it for sin shall eat it: in the holy place shall it be eaten, in the court of the tabernacle of the congregation.
27 Whatsoever shall touch the flesh thereof shall be holy: and when there is sprinkled of the blood thereof upon any garment, thou shalt wash that whereon it was sprinkled in the holy place.

Jo 18 Is the morning after the passover.................

Matthew 26:27-28 says it was "being poured out for the forgiveness of sins". The morning after the Passover (14th) was the Sabbath (15th)...so what you are trying to say is that Yeshua was NOT the Paschal Lamb of God as John and Paul and others clearly stated...good luck with that

 

[ralliann]

Matthew 26:27-28 says it was "being poured out for the forgiveness of sins".

Read the very next verse!!!
29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.

The morning after the Passover (14th) was the Sabbath (15th)...so what you are trying to say is that Yeshua was NOT the Paschal Lamb of God as John and Paul and others clearly stated...good luck with that

No read the above. He did not even ascend to the heavenly in the tabernacle until the third day.
All of the sacrifices were simply shadows of him.....All of them.
Where do you think he ministers from?

Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

1Co 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Read the very next verse!!!
29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.

So? What is your point? He was making a vow. What do you think the Last Supper was?

 

[tonychanyt]

on the 14th...between the evenings

Right. So when did Jesus eat the paschal lamb?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Right. So when did Jesus eat the paschal lamb?

He didn't. HE was the lamb that year! He was dying on the cross on the 14th as the lambs were being killed at the temple.

 

[tonychanyt]

He didn't. HE was the lamb that year! He was dying on the cross on the 14th as the lambs were being killed at the temple.

Did his disciples prepare the paschal lamb?