Weren't you just arguing that we should basically pretend that transgendered people don't exist?
If we wanted to avoid misdiagnosing them at gender clinics that hand out drugs and surgeries...yes. Psychotherapy, however, doesn't seem to involve lifelong negative consequences as a result.
I'm not sure I'd be keen on those specific examples, but I think that "colourblindness" when it also means blindness to injustice, is not constructive.
I don't know what you're calling injustice here.
In my view, it's just and fair to treat people as if their race doesn't matter.
That makes instances where you don't an example of racial injustice.
Are you still struggling with how these two concepts are diametrically opposed? How you cannot achieve one with the other? How you literally do not believe in colorblindness and believe that different races should be treated differently? These are mutually exclusive concepts.
A video I saw awhile back was a black woman critiquing a "privilege walk" within UK schools. I had never seen a privilege walk, just the results, so I never considered a critique of it....but my word, what a bunch of racist tripe. The one I watched said....
1. Step forward (signaling privilege) if you or your parents speak English as a second language.
The black UK woman pointed out this applied to her and her parents....and she had no idea why it wasn't considered the privilege instead of those who spoke English first, or only English. She and her parents both spoke it as a second language....which gave them the ability of being bilingual, an advantage. Why were those who spoke it as a first language privileged? The only reason she could figure out was if the person who came up with this thing was working off the racist assumption that if it wasn't your first language, you spoke it poorly or not at all....which is racist.
2. Step forward if you've never been the only person of your race in a room of other people. Again, why is this a privilege? She pointed out it was more of a privilege if you have been in this situation before....because though it can be uncomfortable....you get used to it, and that makes any future instances more easily handled. She's correct of course, this how cognitive behavioral therapy works often....and a clear privilege. Why would the opposite be a privilege? Well if you're racist and hate the experience every time....yeah, you'd prefer not to be around other races. It's understandable, since the practice was developed along with the implementation of CRT. CRT is a theory cooked up by black racist pro-segregationists. DEI was too. None of these theories or people believe a colorblind society is even possible let alone desirable.
Essentially.....if you genuinely believed in a colorblind society being possible....you should have been rejecting all these things and their various concepts and phrases from the start.
It's more nuanced than that; but yes, I believe privileged people in general (of whom white people are often a subset) are often blind to their privilege.
I'm sure you do.
Do you? How do you know what my attitudes once were, and how they've changed?
We've discussed it. I never saw you mention white privilege once before it was popularized by racists on the left so.....I assumed that you were holding popular left wing views before
For what it's worth, I grew up in a household where both of my parents were processing (one might almost say recovering from) spending their formative years in societies which were deeply structurally racist. I would venture to say that both of them have ended at a point which is still, if not exactly racist, certainly culturally imperialist. It's taken me a long time, and a lot of work, even to be able to see that that's a thing, and that it shaped my own early thinking in ways which also need processing.
By cultural imperialism I assume you mean that some cultures are better than others in certain ways. That's not only true....but measurable. You hold certain values. I know you're a feminist who engages in arguing for equal rights for women or even special consideration. You value this. Yet when criticizing religious practices, religious beliefs, or equal rights....I've never once seen you raise any fuss over Muslim nations, only Christians. That's despite some of worst abuses against women coming from Muslim nations. Hinduism isn't all that great either. An example of cultural imperialism was noted in some letter or diary of some English imperial official in India when he mandated against the cultural practice of throwing widows upon the funeral pyres of their dead husbands. Obviously the sort of thing started as a practical matter of a tribe disposing of old and relatively useless women. The practices of this depend upon how mobile the tribe and other circumstances....but there was a great outrage at the implementation of this mandate. Eventually an old respected wise man of some upper caste came to the English official. He explained that the people wouldn't stand for it....that it was a deeply culturally significant practice that symbolized the union of these two people in life. The official apologized, told the man he understood completely and was deeply sorry for the mandate.....and then explained that in his culture, the practice was to hang anyone by the neck who would throw a living woman onto her husband's funeral pyre to die....where all could bear witness. The mandate stayed in place.
I can understand why some people think cultural criticism of their own culture is the only kind acceptable. These are moral cowards....because most cultures punish the practice. I need not consider their opinions....they are not on par with my own. Any culture is subject to criticism....and we can compare them in relation to a value....if you're offended, I don't care. It's an issue worthy of discussion. Anyone too offended to have it honestly needs to grow up. It's not a criticism of a person....though they may strongly identify with a culture....because the two aren't the same.
What I care about, in this thread, is not really the trans issues that became the kind of test case for the OP's concerns.
Ok.
It's the bigger question of the relation of a Christian worldview (or worldviewsOK.
Ok.
What's a secular worldview? Are we speaking about dogmatic views and beliefs devoid of evidence? Or are we talking about science? Are we talking about cultural beliefs in secular societies? For example....we have a dichotomy of intelligence here in the states that often gets called "street smarts" and "booksmarts" which can be applied different ways but it's really just an oversimplification of the many different contexts that require certain skillsets developed by intelligence within those contexts. This can be seen as a part of a secular worldview if not exclusively one. It's too broad a term to denote anything apart from the fact it's outside of religion.
and in particular, how Christians might seek to relate to a wider society. That I do care about.
Ok. This is the right thread I think, because we're talking about a secular worldview that is rather toxic, highly moralistic, extremely stupid, completely contradictory, and inherently destructive. Wokism.
I think I posted some information upthread about barriers to legal recognition of their gender identity.
An application process.
I suspect some of the more out there fringe elements will be a flash in the pan fad.
Wow....I'm tired of hearing that. I recall people saying much the same thing when I pointed out the increasing racist vitriol that was allowed and encouraged in mainstream media and education against white people. When I would be told by someone they either didn't care or figured it would pass...I would ask if they weren't concerned about it leading to worse things, like institutionalized racism. They'd laugh it off and say no. Now we literally have institutionalized racism against whites....thanks to DEI and CRT. I've long since proven CRT was in school curriculums....and now, recent surveys showed that when allowed to answer anonymously (after confirming job titles and positions) hiring managers, hr reps that hire, and recruiters have been told to,and engaged in, racial discrimination against qualified white candidates for jobs. It's not a small percentage. We now have institutionalized racism against whites thanks to this stuff. I can't imagine how dumb one has to be to be both....
1. A white parent.
2. In favor of institutionalized racism against themselves or their children.
Yet, that's what we have now....by all indications.
