North Carolina Legislature Approves Bill Banning Transgender Athletes From Women’s, Girls’ Sports

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North Carolina’s GOP-controlled state House voted on Thursday to approve a bill banning the participation of transgender women and girls in sports outside of their biological sex. The ban covers athletics from middle school through the collegiate level.

North Carolina Legislature Approves Bill Banning Transgender Athletes From Women’s, Girls’ Sports

Despite opposition from the state’s Democratic governor, Republicans are likely to override a veto

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[Belk]

North Carolina’s GOP-controlled state House voted on Thursday to approve a bill banning the participation of transgender women and girls in sports outside of their biological sex. The ban covers athletics from middle school through the collegiate level.

North Carolina Legislature Approves Bill Banning Transgender Athletes From Women’s, Girls’ Sports

Despite opposition from the state’s Democratic governor, Republicans are likely to override a veto

news.yahoo.com

Given the recent court rulings on similar measures we will see how long it stands, should it make it through to being signed into law.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

These kinds of bills should be non-controversial when you remove the element of partisanship and everyone's desire to "smite one's political enemies"

In terms of raw opinion polling, on paper, this one should be a no brainer.

A person has to be really dug in on a political agenda to look at some of the situations we've seen and conclude "it's completely fair for a person who was born male to complete against someone who was born female"

There are certain sports where it doesn't matter. (I don't think anyone cares if a transwoman is playing billiards against biological females) But I think there are more sports where it does matter, and people tend to deflect from what we know about biology, and opt to push for things in the name of inclusion that go against common sense.


Bathrooms and pronouns are a different conversation, and all of the various facets of this conversation shouldn't be bundled together as a "package deal". I'll call someone "she" if they identify as a woman, I don't care what bathrooms people use. The changing room situation gets messy (for both sides of the argument), but the [physically demanding] sports thing is a no brainer as I see it.

We know (via science) that hormonal interventions (while successful in changing future development and visual features) does very little to diminish the physical advantages that biological males enjoy.

A years worth of suppressing male hormones only decreases the male strength advantage by 10%, and two years worth of suppressing only decreases the male speed advantage by around 5%.

For trans men, the story is a little different. After 2 years of gender affirming male hormones, they can close the gap a lot more (despite still being at a disadvantage in terms of other factors) compared to their biological male counterparts. But when having the trans sports debate, nobody's really concerned about the trans men competing against biological men. It's the other scenario that rightfully gets all of the attention.

 

[Yttrium]

I'd prefer that the individual sports police the issue, but I don't really have an argument against the legislation. There are some on the left who are pushing for trans women who have no physical transitioning at all to be able to play in women's sports, and I'm not okay with that. Even those who have transitioned can easily have an unfair advantage.

I have a very hard time imagining a reason the US Supreme Court would throw out the law. The lesser courts, who knows. I'll definitely be paying attention to see how things go.

 

[HARK!]

Given the recent court rulings on similar measures we will see how long it stands, should it make it through to being signed into law.

Considering that those who passed the bill hold a vetoproof supermajority; I suppose that the chances of it becoming law are strong.

 

[Pommer]

Considering that those who passed the bill hold a vetoproof supermajority; I suppose that the chances of it becoming law are strong.

It’s amazing how fast a state legislature can act to protect women’s sports from a handful of people who might not even deign to try to enter women’s sporting events (but now cannot).

 

[HARK!]

It’s amazing how fast a state legislature can act to protect women’s sports from a handful of people who might not even deign to try to enter women’s sporting events (but now cannot).

I'm thankful that these fine Americans have fast tracked protections for women and little girls, from being robbed of their dreams by imposters.

 

[Sabri]

It’s amazing how fast a state legislature can act to protect women’s sports from a handful of people who might not even deign to try to enter women’s sporting events (but now cannot).

The question is why do the people who are not biologically considered women want to enter women’s sports. The answer they cannot compete and win in their own gender so cheat by enlisting in something they have the clear advantage in.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

The question is why do the people who are not biologically considered women want to enter women’s sports. The answer they cannot compete and win in their own gender so cheat by enlisting in something they have the clear advantage in.

Or, radical thought, perhaps they're transgender women who still enjoy playing sports? The only transgender athlete I've ever met personally definitely didn't improve her bike racing ability by transitioning- I'm not sure I ever saw her finish better than last place as a man or a woman, and that was never going to change.

 

[comana]

The question is why do the people who are not biologically considered women want to enter women’s sports. The answer they cannot compete and win in their own gender so cheat by enlisting in something they have the clear advantage in.

You really think people decide to live as opposite gender, take hormone treatments, and even physically altering surgeries just to rank higher in a sport?

 

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Or, radical thought, perhaps they're transgender women who still enjoy playing sports? The only transgender athlete I've ever met personally definitely didn't improve her bike racing ability by transitioning- I'm not sure I ever saw her finish better than last place as a man or a woman, and that was never going to change.

When I was young I had a friend who was connected to the Olympics. He was impressed with my bike riding skills; and he continually pressured me to try out for the Olympics. My answer was the same each time. I wasn't interested in competing against others. I was competing with myself to be the best that I could be.

 

[HARK!]

You really think people decide to live as opposite gender, take hormone treatments, and even physically altering surgeries just to rank higher in a sport?

Whether that is the case or not, soon I predict that will be an exercise of folly in NC.

Why do people compete in sports; and what benefit is there for a man to say, "I can beat a girl?"

 

[comana]

Whether that is the case or not, soon I predict that will be an exercise of folly in NC.

Why do people compete in sports; and what benefit is there for a man to say, "I can beat a girl?"

What benefit is there for anyone to say they can beat any else? Any sport done for bragging rights is lost on me.

 

[HARK!]

What benefit is there for anyone to say they can beat any else? Any sport done for bragging rights is lost on me.

Well that's the way I see it.

There are bragging rights, fame, a financial benefits.

In the case of transgenders competing with women, there is also the possibility of some bizarre agenda for promotion of that lifestyle.

I think that bragging rights are out the window in those cases.

In my best guess that leaves:

1.) Stealing the recognition and the financial benefits from women who chase the dreams of being the best in their field among women.

2.) Promotion of their bizarre agenda.

3.) All of the above.

 

[comana]

Well that's the way I see it.

There are bragging rights, fame, a financial benefits.

In the case of transgenders competing with women, there is also the possibility of some bizarre agenda for promotion of that lifestyle.

I think that bragging rights are out the window in those cases.

In my best guess that leaves:

1.) Stealing the recognition and the financial benefits from women who chase the dreams of being the best in their field among women.

2.) Promotion of their bizarre agenda.

3.) All of the above.

Not buying that people are transitioning for the sole benefit of higher ranking in women’s sports.

 

[HARK!]

Not buying that people are transitioning for the sole benefit of higher ranking in women’s sports.

Again, I predict that would soon be an exercise in folly, in NC.

If one cares to make a court case out of it; maybe we'll hear how, in his mind, he is justified to pretend that he is a women, to steal their thunder.

 

[Servus]

You really think people decide to live as opposite gender, take hormone treatments, and even physically altering surgeries just to rank higher in a sport?

They don't have to go that far. If what I read once was correct Lia Thomas, who pretty much brought this to the forefront, only had his testosterone suppressed.

Went from ranking low in men's swimming to ranking high and breaking records in women's swimming.

Taking a testosterone suppressor to achieve a huge amount of success, doesn't seem like much of a sacrifice.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

When I was young I had a friend who was connected to the Olympics. He was impressed with my bike riding skills; and he continually pressured me to try out for the Olympics. My answer was the same each time. I wasn't interested in competing against others. I was competing with myself to be the best that I could be.

Good for you? Not sure what this has to do with my post.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Well that's the way I see it.

There are bragging rights, fame, a financial benefits.

In the case of transgenders competing with women, there is also the possibility of some bizarre agenda for promotion of that lifestyle.

I think that bragging rights are out the window in those cases.

In my best guess that leaves:

1.) Stealing the recognition and the financial benefits from women who chase the dreams of being the best in their field among women.

2.) Promotion of their bizarre agenda.

3.) All of the above.

How about:

4) Enjoying the spirit of competition

5) Using competition to push themselves to be better

6) Wanting to be part of a group of people of the same gender doing something that they enjoy

 

[HARK!]

Good for you? Not sure what this has to do with my post.

Do you know why I excelled in that sport? It's because I greatly enjoyed it. I didn't need to compete with anyone to enjoy the sport; and I certainly wouldn't feel the need to compete with women. If it was a social event; I'd be happy to go on a Sunday bike ride with women; but I wouldn't be trying to outrun them.