Feds Charge Hispanic Immigrant with Illegally Voting in Several Florida Elections, Lying on Immigration Forms

[Sabertooth]

...as all the evidence indicates.

What evidence?

 

[Whyayeman]

When republicans claim to want to "be tough on voter fraud" as a pretense for laws that are clearly designed to disenfranchise minority voters (or anyone else they think won't vote their way) democrats are quick to toss out a comically low estimate of how much of it takes place as a justification for why voter regulations are unnecessary.

Yet, when it's someone doing it for the republican side, conservatives want to downplay it, and liberals all of the sudden start pretending it's a "big deal".



Like with most other things, I'd like to see a little more consistency.

The real issue for me is that Trump claimed ahead of the 2020 election that he 'probably wouldn't accept the result' if he lost. He suggested that there was a conspiracy to 'steal' the election by Democrats. Then attempt after attempt was made to 'prove' this allegation - all fruitless, because no such conspiracy existed.

In fact, the majority of fraudulent voting in that and other elections has been traced to individuals with no known connection with one-another except for their votes for Republican candidates. I don't call that a conspiracy but it is a bit annoying.

 

[Tinker Grey]

What evidence?

Read the OP

 

[Sabertooth]

Read the OP

I did. The defendant registered as a "Republican" during the commission of a crime.
Do you intend to remain obtuse in this matter?

 

[KCfromNC]

Compared to the widespread voter fraud that got Biden elected.

No, there's actually evidence for the case mentioned in the OP.

 

[Tinker Grey]

I did. The defendant registered as a "Republican" during the commission of a crime.
Do you intend to remain obtuse in this matter?

Yes, exactly. The defendant registered as a Republican during the commission of a crime. What evidence to you have that this was a false flag operation?

 

[JustOneWay]

Compared to the widespread voter fraud that got Biden elected.

This is untrue, and the courts proved it was untrue. Please provide your evidence, or withdraw your accusation.

 

[Sabertooth]

What evidence to you have that this was a false flag operation?

Just as much as you do that she followed through on casting a vote for the Republican candidate, or can't you see that.
(Our ballots are secret over here.)
It cannot be ascertained.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Just as much as you do that she followed through on casting a vote for the Republican candidate, or can't you see that.
(Our ballots are secret over here.)
It cannot be ascertained.

I never said anything about her voting for a republican candidate. I say: Who she voted for is irrelevant.

Look, I think we're talking past each other. Sorry on my part. I'm out.

 

[Sabertooth]

Who she voted for is irrelevant.

That is why people violate voting laws, to add an illegal vote to the candidate of their choice.
Her claim of being a Republican (on an illegal ballot) cannot be confirmed without knowing who she actually voted for --which we cannot know.

 

[Larniavc]

I don't usually devolve into these type of discussions, but what are the Democrats saying about this?
They vehemently rebuke Trump when he says voter fraud, so they can't acknowledge fraud in that sense, but... if they voted Republican? That gets tempting. Lol

But this actually was shown to have happened.

 

[Larniavc]

I have a hard time believing that you would honestly proffer "No True Scotsman" and completely dismiss "false flag.*"
It smacks of gaslighting.

*"False flag" has not been proven, either, but I do not see how we can [be certain], either way, with only the information given.

Is clutching at straws a logical fallacy?

 

[Sabertooth]

Is clutching at straws a logical fallacy?

No, trusting the declaration of convicted criminal (without corroborating evidence) is.
"Alright, I confess. Bob did it...!"

 

[JustOneWay]

That is why people violate voting laws, to add an illegal vote to the candidate of their choice.
Her claim of being a Republican (on an illegal ballot) cannot be confirmed without knowing who she actually voted for --which we cannot know.

For the umpteenth time, who she voted for is irrelevant. She claimed to be a member with the Republican Party of Florida. The ballot was not 'illegal'. She 'illegally' voted, and it was tallied.

The confirmation that she claimed to be a registered republican is right there in the legal court document, #30

Yalemis Onasch

www.documentcloud.org

 

[Larniavc]

without corroborating evidence

What would satisfy you on this front?

 

[Whyayeman]

Compared to the widespread voter fraud that got Biden elected.

That is a lie, I am afraid. You may have believed it when you were told it, but it is not true. It is better to trust evidence, but there is none.

There was no systematic fraud. The very few illegal votes cast in that election were a mixture of Democratic and Republican with only a slight favouring of one candidate - Trump. These votes were insignificant in every count. No results changed as a result of their detection.

 

[USincognito]

Compared to the widespread voter fraud that got Biden elected.

The "widespread voter fraud" fir which there's no evidence?

 

[Sabertooth]

The confirmation that she claimed to be a registered republican is right there in the legal court document, #30

That was an assertion (of intent), not a confirmation.

What would satisfy you on this front?

As I said in an earlier post, we cannot know, either way, which side she was playing for without knowing her actual vote.

 

[Pommer]

That was an assertion (of intent), not a confirmation.

As I said in an earlier post, we cannot know, either way, which side she was playing for without knowing her actual vote.

Her “actual vote” don’t enter into it.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

The real issue for me is that Trump claimed ahead of the 2020 election that he 'probably wouldn't accept the result' if he lost. He suggested that there was a conspiracy to 'steal' the election by Democrats. Then attempt after attempt was made to 'prove' this allegation - all fruitless, because no such conspiracy existed.

In fact, the majority of fraudulent voting in that and other elections has been traced to individuals with no known connection with one-another except for their votes for Republican candidates. I don't call that a conspiracy but it is a bit annoying.

It shouldn't be surprising that a partially-deranged narcissist is unwilling to accept the reality that more Americans disliked him than liked him.

As I've stated before I didn't (and wouldn't if he gets the nomination) vote for Trump, too many character flaws...

But that being said, my main issue is with the inconsistency of people claiming that "voter fraud isn't an issue", "there's only been <insert comically low number here> confirmed cases of voter fraud", etc... But yet they always have bountiful examples in the hopper, ready to post, whenever there's a case where a republican gets caught doing it.


A person would have to be pretty damn naive to think that the only cases of improper voting that exist are the ones they actually catch doing it. (thus the reason why I support in-person voting with an ID requirement...though I disagree with the way republicans are trying to implement it due to the fact that they're doing it in ways that are deliberately targeting demographics that they don't think will vote their way)

It's sort of like drunk driving...one would be have to be incredibly stupid to think that the only ones out there guilty of driving drunk are the people who actually got pulled over and arrested for it. The reality is, there have been more people who have done it and gotten away with it undetected. There are probably more people who have driven home completely wasted (and got away with it) than people who actually got caught doing it.

I see voter fraud in the same way. Do I think irregularities changed the outcome of the election? No...Biden won fair and square (and would have even if they didn't change the rules for covid...over half of the country was sick of Trump)...but do I think that voter fraud was limited to the 475 cases they could actually prove (in an election with 155 ballots cast)? No, you'd have to be extremely gullible to believe that they could lock things down that tight in an environment of universal mail-in ballots and unmonitored drop boxes.