Fossilization and the Dinosaurs

[RileyG]

I do not know how my thread became a theological argument...oh well, I enjoy reading the posts nonetheless

 

[RileyG]

Because the Bible is inflammatory

how so?

 

[RileyG]

Tiny Tim, the Terrible Tyrannosaurus?

how cute

 

[sjastro]

What a classy response.
All you had to do was to show by changing the word creature to universe the meaning behind Romans 8:20 remains the same.
You failed miserably.
Despite your nonsense of suggesting the original Bible was written in Jacobean English the earliest known versions of the NT were written in Kione Greek.
The Greek word κτίσις in Romans 8:20 is translated as .

Romans 8:20 N-NFS
NAS: creation
KJV: creature
INT: creation

It has absolutely nothing to do with the word universe.

 

[AV1611VET]

I do not know how my thread became a theological argument...

Science grows stale quickly.

 

[AV1611VET]

It has absolutely nothing to do with the word universe.

I don't suppose you've noticed the word "universe" isn't in the Bible?

And since God created the universe, the universe is God's creation.

And since "creature" (creat[e]-[t]ure) means "creation," then "creature" means "universe".

How do they put that?

If A=B and B=C, then A=C.

It's called: the transitive property of equality.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I do not know how my thread became a theological argument...oh well, I enjoy reading the posts nonetheless

Certain posters will do anything to divert certain threads from their courses, especially threads that challenge their theological position with facts.

 

[sjastro]

I don't suppose you've noticed the word "universe" isn't in the Bible?

And since God created the universe, the universe is God's creation.

And since "creature" (creat[e]-[t]ure) means "creation," then "creature" means "universe".

How do they put that?

If A=B and B=C, then A=C.

It's called: the transitive property of equality.

This is total nonsense.
Here is something novel for you to try, go look up the words "universe" and "creature" in the dictionary and tell me if they are interchangeable.
Whereas "universe" and "creation" are synonyms and "creature" is derived from "creation" does not imply "universe" and "creature" are synonyms.

The sentence "I live in a universe." replaced by "I live in a creation." makes sense as creation could describe BB cosmology or the religious definition of creation, but the sentence "I live in a creature" makes no sense.

In this case the RC version is clearly superior to the KJV as it uses "creation" and not "creature" which gives you some scope in engaging in this ridiculous word game.

 

[AV1611VET]

Certain posters will do anything to divert certain threads from their courses, especially threads that challenge their theological position with facts.

Ya -- it's real hard to do.

In some instances, it only takes a single word.

 

[AV1611VET]

This is total nonsense.

Of course it is.

Logic (the transitive property of equality) can take a hike now, can't it?

Here is something novel for you to try, go look up the words "universe" and "creature" in the dictionary and tell me if they are interchangeable.

Sure thing.

Let's start with the online etymology dictionary, shall we?

creature

c. 1300, "anything created," hence "a thing" in general, animate or not, but most commonly "a living being," from Old French creature "created being; all creation" (Modern French créature), from Late Latin creatura "a thing created; the creation; a creature," from creatus, past participle of Latin creare "to make, bring forth, produce, beget," from PIE root *ker- (2) "to grow."

But that can take a hike too, can't it?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Sure thing.

Let's start with the online etymology dictionary, shall we?

creature

c. 1300, "anything created," hence "a thing" in general, animate or not, but most commonly "a living being," from Old French creature "created being; all creation" (Modern French créature), from Late Latin creatura "a thing created; the creation; a creature," from creatus, past participle of Latin creare "to make, bring forth, produce, beget," from PIE root *ker- (2) "to grow."

But that can take a hike too, can't it?

Do you find it odd that you are quoting the pre-Jacobean etymology of a word used in what you claim is the original language of humanity? I would, but I've seen this tactic before. To build a case challenging one aspect of established reality, they rely on other things that are also known to reality, but are contradictory to other positions that they hold. In this case in trying to force a definition of "(KJV) creature = (modern) Universe, you take this etymology demonstrating the origin of the word from medieval French which goes completely contrary to your notion that the language of the KJV was the original language of Adam & Eve because the words of that language would not only have not developed, but certainly not from a language that was more than 5000 years (in your calendar) from existing. (just minutes ago I had to point out to a flerfer, that the argument about an "equator" they were using was nonsensical on a flat Earth.) And this is apart from the problem that sjastro has pointed out repeatedly that no one uses "creature" to mean all of creation despite the origin of the word.

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you find it odd that you are quoting the pre-Jacobean etymology of a word used in what you claim is the original language of humanity?

Not at all.

Do YOU find it odd having the transitive property of equality take a hike?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Not at all.

Do YOU find it odd having the transitive property of equality take a hike?

What are you talking about?

 

[AV1611VET]

What are you talking about?

Universal entropy.

One of the outcomes of Adam's sin is that the whole universe is now in a state of entropy, as Paul attests to.

He even goes a step further.

Notice Paul says it "groans"?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Universal entropy.

One of the outcomes of Adam's sin is that the whole universe is now in a state of entropy, as Paul attests to.

This is a complete non-sequitur and doesn't fit anything anyone has been talking about.

He even goes a step further.

Notice Paul says it "groans"?

Whatever.

 

[JohnEmmett]

One of the outcomes of Adam's sin is that the whole universe is now in a state of entropy, as Paul attests to.

the second law of thermodynamics says that entropy always increases with time

 

[AV1611VET]

the second law of thermodynamics says that entropy always increases with time

Yupper.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Yupper.

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[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Fossils are cool.

 

[JohnEmmett]

how so?

The Bible is inflammatory because it’s provoking