Is Acts 2:38 really means ?

[Dan Perez]

I grew up believing that WATER BAPTISM is for salvation and all used Act 2:38 !!

#1 Why was only WATER BAPTISM given to Israel in John 1:31 ?

#2 WATER BAPTISM was NEVER given to GENTILES !!

#3 Where does ot say that WATER BAPTISM saves in Acts 2:38 ?

#4 What was Israel , Jews , to repent OF ? is it verse 36 and 37 ??

#5 I believe that one of the answer is in verse 36 and notice that Peter is speaking to the HOUSE of Israel and not to GENTILES !!

#6 Acts 2:38 ONLY has to point at the HOUSE of ISRAEL !!

#7 And if it is WATER BAPRISM , why are they to be BAPTIZED in the name of Jesus Christ ?

dan p

 

[sandman]

The new birth made available on Pentecost to the Jews and extended to the Gentiles in Act 10 is a complete salvation in every sense of the word. You have been freely given everything in Christ Jesus.

This new birth baptism via holy spirit is permanent, it’s seed (1Pe 1:23) and it’s unalterable; there is absolutely nothing you can do to lose it.

Once you receive the spirit of God you are endued with power from on high, sealed with the holy spirit of promise…eternal life is yours and there is nothing more you need do….. You can sit on your butt and wait to die, or till Christ returns…. or you can tap the resources given to you by renewing your mind to the Word of God and walk with the power an authority you have received.

The criteria for being born again is listed in Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

That’s it!.... that is your part in the acceptance of the new covenant…it’s pretty simple, so simple in fact that many Jew couldn’t accept …they still wanted to hack and splash away…. to satisfy works of the flesh . They couldn’t accept that everything was completed in Christ….
Similar to today…. people still want to do works to gain salvation including water baptism…. This is what Christ told the Apostles before He was taken up. Act 1:5. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the holy spirit not many days hence.

In simple terms …. when the greater came the lesser was done away with.

Water baptism is nothing more than a feel-good symbolic action that does nothing…. it ceased when the greater came.

 

[Dan Perez]

The new birth made available on Pentecost to the Jews and extended to the Gentiles in Act 10 is a complete salvation in every sense of the word. You have been freely given everything in Christ Jesus.

This new birth baptism via holy spirit is permanent, it’s seed (1Pe 1:23) and it’s unalterable; there is absolutely nothing you can do to lose it.

Once you receive the spirit of God you are endued with power from on high, sealed with the holy spirit of promise…eternal life is yours and there is nothing more you need do….. You can sit on your butt and wait to die, or till Christ returns…. or you can tap the resources given to you by renewing your mind to the Word of God and walk with the power an authority you have received.

The criteria for being born again is listed in Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

That’s it!.... that is your part in the acceptance of the new covenant…it’s pretty simple, so simple in fact that many Jew couldn’t accept …they still wanted to hack and splash away…. to satisfy works of the flesh . They couldn’t accept that everything was completed in Christ….
Similar to today…. people still want to do works to gain salvation including water baptism…. This is what Christ told the Apostles before He was taken up. Act 1:5. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the holy spirit not many days hence.

In simple terms …. when the greater came the lesser was done away with.

Water baptism is nothing more than a feel-good symbolic action that does nothing…. it ceased when the greater came.

It says in John 1:31 that WATER BAPTISM was manifested to ISRAEL , have you seen where water BAPTISM was given to GENTILES , because I have yet to see that verse , so help us out ?

dan p

 

[sandman]

It says in John 1:31 that WATER BAPTISM was manifested to ISRAEL , have you seen where water BAPTISM was given to GENTILES , because I have yet to see that verse , so help us out ?

dan p

No........... it is only mentioned 3X in Acts

#1

Act 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Act 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

It was the Eunuch that asked for water… Philip did not call for it. (keep in mind…. this was Philip the evangelist not the Apostle)



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#2

Act 10:46b …Then answered Peter

Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Oops! ….Oh now I remember↓

Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.



It’s not hard to imagine Peter with his zeal in this account …Particularly after hearing Gentiles (dogs) speak in tongues…Which is probably why he got carried away and did a water baptism …. especially with Gentiles…. to make sure all the bases were covered……. But he did realize his error.

(From Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence)



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#3

Act 19:2 He (Paul) said unto them, Have ye received the holy spirit since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any holy spirit.

Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

(Supporting scripture for #3 Mar 1:8, Mat 3:11, Luk 3:16,)




Moments before Jesus was taken up, He instructed the 12 Apostles what the baptism (under the new covenant) was going to be.

Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

The word BUT is a contrasting conjunction setting in contrast that which was just spoken. Jesus DID NOT use the words “in addition to water” … instead He said “But Ye shall …”

In the vernacular ….. When the greater comes the lesser is done away with …And it changed because there was a new covenant installed on/at Pentecost … water is inferior to what is now a far superior and truly internal….forever!

The movement away from water…. to the name of Jesus Christ was a big transition…one of many. The baptizing in the name of Jesus Christ IS the full emersion in everything Christ represents and

 

[Dan Perez]

The new birth made available on Pentecost to the Jews and extended to the Gentiles in Act 10 is a complete salvation in every sense of the word. You have been freely given everything in Christ Jesus.

This new birth baptism via holy spirit is permanent, it’s seed (1Pe 1:23) and it’s unalterable; there is absolutely nothing you can do to lose it.

Once you receive the spirit of God you are endued with power from on high, sealed with the holy spirit of promise…eternal life is yours and there is nothing more you need do….. You can sit on your butt and wait to die, or till Christ returns…. or you can tap the resources given to you by renewing your mind to the Word of God and walk with the power an authority you have received.

The criteria for being born again is listed in Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

That’s it!.... that is your part in the acceptance of the new covenant…it’s pretty simple, so simple in fact that many Jew couldn’t accept …they still wanted to hack and splash away…. to satisfy works of the flesh . They couldn’t accept that everything was completed in Christ….
Similar to today…. people still want to do works to gain salvation including water baptism…. This is what Christ told the Apostles before He was taken up. Act 1:5. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the holy spirit not many days hence.

In simple terms …. when the greater came the lesser was done away with.

Water baptism is nothing more than a feel-good symbolic action that does nothing…. it ceased when the greater came.

Will you please provide a verse that I missed called , THE NEW BIRTH BAPTISM , found ??

dan p

 

[bling]

I grew up believing that WATER BAPTISM is for salvation and all used Act 2:38 !!

#1 Why was only WATER BAPTISM given to Israel in John 1:31 ?

#2 WATER BAPTISM was NEVER given to GENTILES !!

#3 Where does ot say that WATER BAPTISM saves in Acts 2:38 ?

#4 What was Israel , Jews , to repent OF ? is it verse 36 and 37 ??

#5 I believe that one of the answer is in verse 36 and notice that Peter is speaking to the HOUSE of Israel and not to GENTILES !!

#6 Acts 2:38 ONLY has to point at the HOUSE of ISRAEL !!

#7 And if it is WATER BAPRISM , why are they to be BAPTIZED in the name of Jesus Christ ?

dan p

One of the favorite passages used to show “water baptism is not required” is 1 Cor. 1: 10 I appeal to you, brothers and sisters,[a] in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought. 11 My brothers and sisters, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. 12 What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas”; still another, “I follow Christ.”

13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so no one can say that you were baptized in my name. 16 (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.) 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

Yet tell me this: If Paul did not believe in water baptism, why did he specific give exceptions as being exceptions to his baptizing of Crispus, Gaius and the household of Stephanas?

 

[Dan Perez]

One of the favorite passages used to show “water baptism is not required” is 1 Cor. 1: 10 I appeal to you, brothers and sisters,[a] in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought. 11 My brothers and sisters, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. 12 What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas”; still another, “I follow Christ.”

13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so no one can say that you were baptized in my name. 16 (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.) 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

Yet tell me this: If Paul did not believe in water baptism, why did he specific give exceptions as being exceptions to his baptizing of Crispus, Gaius and the household of Stephanas?

Anyone that reads Acts 18:5 we see what Paul was preaching , that Paul was being URGED by the Spirit , earnestly testifying to the JEWS , Jesus the CHRIST .

In verse 6 as they were RESISTING and SPEAKING EVIL THINGS Paul said I am CLEAN , From now I will go to the Gentiles .

And in verse 7 Paul enters Justus house that is BORDEING ON , here means was set and touching each other to the SYNAGOGUE and in verse 8 it was CRISPUS that was doing the BAPTIZING , and NOT PAUL .

Notice what Matt 28:19 says , to BAPTIZE in the name of the FATHER , the SON and in the HOLY SPIRTI , and in Acts 19:5 they BAPTIZED in NAME of the Lord Jesus and in Acts 2:38 they were BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS .and in 1 Cor 1:15 LEST anyone should SAY that I Paul HAD BAPTIZED for My name .

By the way the Greek LEST / ME is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE that Paul did not baptize in his NAME ..
dan p

 

[bling]

Anyone that reads Acts 18:5 we see what Paul was preaching , that Paul was being URGED by the Spirit , earnestly testifying to the JEWS , Jesus the CHRIST .

In verse 6 as they were RESISTING and SPEAKING EVIL THINGS Paul said I am CLEAN , From now I will go to the Gentiles .

And in verse 7 Paul enters Justus house that is BORDEING ON , here means was set and touching each other to the SYNAGOGUE and in verse 8 it was CRISPUS that was doing the BAPTIZING , and NOT PAUL .

Notice what Matt 28:19 says , to BAPTIZE in the name of the FATHER , the SON and in the HOLY SPIRTI , and in Acts 19:5 they BAPTIZED in NAME of the Lord Jesus and in Acts 2:38 they were BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS .and in 1 Cor 1:15 LEST anyone should SAY that I Paul HAD BAPTIZED for My name .

By the way the Greek LEST / ME is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE that Paul did not baptize in his NAME ..
dan p

Not sure what you are questioning. Paul would have water baptized in the name of Christ, God and Spirit.

 

[Dan Perez]

Not sure what you are questioning. Paul would have water baptized in the name of Christ, God and Spirit.

In 1 Cor 1:17 the Holy SPIRIT has Paul write this , For Christ did NOT send me BAPTIZE but to preach the GOSPEL NOT with wisdom of WORD , in order that the CROSS of Christ should NOT be made EMPTY ..

By the way there are 3Greek words words NOT / OU and they are DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGARIVES and mean NOTTTTTTTTTTTTT once did Paul WATER BAPRIZE . PERIOD !!

What say you ?

dan p

 

[bling]

In 1 Cor 1:17 the Holy SPIRIT has Paul write this , For Christ did NOT send me BAPTIZE but to preach the GOSPEL NOT with wisdom of WORD , in order that the CROSS of Christ should NOT be made EMPTY ..

By the way there are 3Greek words words NOT / OU and they are DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGARIVES and mean NOTTTTTTTTTTTTT once did Paul WATER BAPRIZE . PERIOD !!

What say you ?

dan p

In the context of 1 Cor 1:17, we have Christians separating and grouping into groups according to who baptized them so Paul is glad he only baptized a few people. I would say Paul need to avoid baptizing people himself for the same reason Christ did not baptize at all, but Christ's disciples were doing a lot of baptizing. The person physically doing the baptizing is insignificant and should not have attention drawn to them as the actual baptizer.

 

[Dan Perez]

In the context of 1 Cor 1:17, we have Christians separating and grouping into groups according to who baptized them so Paul is glad he only baptized a few people. I would say Paul need to avoid baptizing people himself for the same reason Christ did not baptize at all, but Christ's disciples were doing a lot of baptizing. The person physically doing the baptizing is insignificant and should not have attention drawn to them as the actual baptizer.

And we have to be careful when reading verse like Eph 4:5 where it reads ONE / HEIS which means ONLY ONE , and the Greek word BAPTISM is really the Greek word BAPTISMA and the real reading is ONE BAPTIZER and from MATTHEW , through 1 Peter the Greek word BAPTISMA is written .

dan p