School faces lawsuit for making student remove 'only two genders' shirt: 'Censoring a 7th-grader'

[ozso]

It’s a “generational-thing” for generations, this is now the world limps along, trying not to unalive too many of our fellow human beings, while raising ingrate children!
This is “normal”.
Enjoy what you can from it!

Obviously that's not accurate. Too many boomers are onto it for you to say only boomers are against it. Add to that the very young people who are aginst it, and that once again goes against the it's just the boomers theory.

We can go with they said society was going downhill in 1980, but the thing is society was going downhill in the 80s. And society has been on a downward trend ever since.

 

[Pommer]

Obviously that's not accurate. Too many boomers are onto it for you to say only boomers are against it. Add to that the very young people who are aginst it, and that once again goes against the it's just the boomers theory.

We can go with they said society was going downhill in 1980, but the thing is society was going downhill in the 80s. And society has been on a downward trend ever since.

Why? Because people are now free enough to be “openly different”?
You want them to put yesteryear‘s masks on, the ones the LGBTQIA+ people had to wear?
No.

 

[ozso]

Why? Because people are now free enough to be “openly different”?
You want them to put yesteryear‘s masks on, the ones the LGBTQIA+ people had to wear?
No.

Is LGBTQIA+ all it boils down to for you, when it comes to my saying society is on a downward trend? The massive enthusiasm over and the propagation of LGBTQIA+, is only part of it.

 

[Larniavc]

But if people say there are more than two genders then we are expected to just keep our mouth shut because someone might get offended. That is offensive to me.

Yeah, that’s how decent people function in a working society.

You’re honestly demanding the right to be offensive?

 

[Bradskii]

Yeah, that’s how decent people function in a working society.

You’re honestly demanding the right to be offensive?

This is a tricky one for me.

I would be offended if I told someone that I did something that harmed no-one but which they believed was sinful and they said that they were concerned for my immortal soul. And they wanted to help me avoid doing it. Hey, thanks for your concern. But it's nothing to do with you, so....no thanks. I'd be offended in the sense that they thought they presumed to know better than I did what was good for me. But I'd respond in kind. Politely. Because they have the right to bring it up. The one time. If they did it again, knowing I'd be offended then that would rankle. There is a limit.

And how people put forward their 'concern' certainly changes the scenario. A polite suggestion that they could help me is OK. That first time. But wave some scripture in my face and tell me 'You're going to hell! Repent!' and there's definitely a line that's been crossed.

I don't see too much of the polite concern for people's welfare and/or immortal soul in threads like this. But, gee - I see an awful lot of variations on a theme regarding the second scenario.

 

[ozso]

Yeah, that’s how decent people function in a working society.

You’re honestly demanding the right to be offensive?

Are you demanding their right to be offensive?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Yeah, that’s how decent people function in a working society.

You’re honestly demanding the right to be offensive?

Saying there are two genders is not offensive, it’s not a derogatory statement. Saying people who believe in more than two genders are stupid, that’s an offensive statement. Simply stating that someone is incorrect is not offensive. What about a kid wearing a shirt that says there is only one God? Is that offensive? Schools teach the theory of evolution which many consider to be offensive and yet they still teach it. Why? Because they believe it’s a fact just like the fact that there are only two genders, male & female. It’s always been this way until just recently, now all the sudden we are expected to adopt a falsity just because some people want us to otherwise they get offended. Should we concede that the earth is flat so that the flat earthers don’t get offended? No of course not, why? Because everyone knows the earth is a sphere. But for some reason we’re expected to censor ourselves when it comes to gender identity. Why don’t we take all the globes out of the schools while we’re at it so as to not offend anyone.

 

[Larniavc]

Are you demanding their right to be offensive?

In what way are 'they' being offensive.

 

[Larniavc]

because such things could be said to completely straight people for a number of reasons.

Rarely does that happen, though. Always the LGBTQ+ folks who get both barrels from loving Christians.

 

[Larniavc]

Saying there are two genders is not offensive, it’s not a derogatory statement.

You don't get to say what other people find offensive.

 

[ozso]

In what way are 'they' being offensive.

Are you saying no one is offended by them?

 

[Hazelelponi]

Yes. They are making a political point. Isn't that blazingly obvious to you? And yes, they shouldn't be allowed to be worn in school.

As a parent I'm all for school uniforms, 2 of my grandkids attend a school currently where school uniforms are required - the other 3 are in public schools with permissive dress codes.

Schools that have permissive dress codes can't arbitrarily enforce stricter codes on some kids while giving others free reign. Codes of any kind need to be equally enforced, or equally permissive.

This is why people raise a fuss, when some kids are treated differently than others.

Teenage boys, at least from my experience, want to wear crazy stupid T-shirts. It's their form of rebellion I think, as well as a way to fit in with their peers.

When my daughter hit puberty I couldn't allow her to pick out her own clothes much because she wanted to dress for school like a 2 dollar harlot.

I was far more permissive with my son because he didn't try and dress like a harlot, but we had our own fights over T-shirts.

He bought them with his own money so I didn't take them away but I did try insisting he not wear them to school, I lost and he was sent home. Not a big deal, I expected it... Lol.

That was in the day of South Park, when kids my son's age were figuring out ways to watch the stupid show without parents knowing and that show was a major talking point among my sons peers - enter my son using his own money to buy silly shirts.

That Tshirt was his rebellion against all things parental - which was truly mild compared to raising a teenage girl.

It seems not much has changed, and teenage boys are still rebelling and fitting in via the t-shirts they wear.

Any school, even public schools, can institute school uniform policies - the ones who don't will always have to deal with issues related to clothing. Some issues are more serious than others.

The fact that THIS shirt is seen as a rebellion and a means to fit in with peers says a lot about how negative the LGBTQ agenda in our schools has become - and it's frightening to me. 1st because it's elementary level knowledge (only boys and girls - not beings who look like us with different sex organs) and second because in school it's as basic as 1 + 1 = 2... Yet now it's somehow seen as so inappropriate to show/say in public the child should be sent home.

This kind of "now" is the kind to fight against like our lives depend on it.

 

[ozso]

Rarely does that happen, though. Always the LGBTQ+ folks who get both barrels from loving Christians.

That's because they put themselves so far forward seeking attention and making demands.

As I've said before it's like:

 

[BNR32FAN]

You don't get to say what other people find offensive.

Ok so no more globes in schools now right?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Yes! And wearing a t shirt to show that you are a hater of a protected demographic is something only a hateful person would do.

I don't think conflating a position on an issue with "hate" is helpful (nor honest).

Is the standard that "you have to go long with, and concede to the position of, everything people on the progressive left want, otherwise you're a hater"?


Sounds like the school itself isn't opposed to delving into these types of topics with younger kids. It's par for the course that when you invite new people into the conversation about something, on some occasions, a few will disagree.


This topic tends to be shrouded in disingenuousness... A lot of it involves the contradictory sentiment of "it's important that you care about this and be vocal about it and fly your activism banner, ...unless you're on the opposing side, then caring about it superficial and petty"

"We want you to care deeply about this topic because its of massive importance!"
- "Okay, well after hearing you discuss it, I do care about it now, just not in the way you'd hoped and it's led me to a different position than yours"
(10 mins later)
"Well why do you even care so much?!?!"

 

[ThatRobGuy]

If someone wants to spend a fun day or two making up umpteen gender definitions to annoy people like you who want to take it seriously, then I can't do much about that.

If you're admitting yourself that the list was frivolous (and bordering on silly), then what's the problem with saying "there are only 2 genders?

"There are only 2 genders" isn't omitting any trans people is it? Males who identify as Women and Females who identify as Men are still with within those boundaries.

Heck, I'd go as far as even a person who may identify as "fluid" and switch between the two genders would still be covered as that's still an acknowledgement that there are 2 that they're going back and forth between.


Much of this really only applies to the people who are making up random ones to get themselves added to the intersectional hierarchy so they're not left out of the cool kids club.

If I were to say that I've just created a new identity:
...called "Crepuscule-ovo sexual" (one who only enjoys lovemaking after eating eggs at dusk) and made up a flag for it, is the onus immediately on everyone to go along with it and pretend it's not ridiculous else be viewed as a petty bigot? ...and before anyone suggests that I'm providing a ridiculous extreme example, the example I just made up is less goofy than some of the other ones already on the list.

 

[BNR32FAN]

As a parent I'm all for school uniforms, 2 of my grandkids attend a school currently where school uniforms are required - the other 3 are in public schools with permissive dress codes.

Schools that have permissive dress codes can't arbitrarily enforce stricter codes on some kids while giving others free reign. Codes of any kind need to be equally enforced, or equally permissive.

This is why people raise a fuss, when some kids are treated differently than others.

Teenage boys, at least from my experience, want to wear crazy stupid T-shirts. It's their form of rebellion I think, as well as a way to fit in with their peers.

When my daughter hit puberty I couldn't allow her to pick out her own clothes much because she wanted to dress for school like a 2 dollar harlot.

I was far more permissive with my son because he didn't try and dress like a harlot, but we had our own fights over T-shirts.

He bought them with his own money so I didn't take them away but I did try insisting he not wear them to school, I lost and he was sent home. Not a big deal, I expected it... Lol.

That was in the day of South Park, when kids my son's age were figuring out ways to watch the stupid show without parents knowing and that show was a major talking point among my sons peers - enter my son using his own money to buy silly shirts.

That Tshirt was his rebellion against all things parental - which was truly mild compared to raising a teenage girl.

It seems not much has changed, and teenage boys are still rebelling and fitting in via the t-shirts they wear.

Any school, even public schools, can institute school uniform policies - the ones who don't will always have to deal with issues related to clothing. Some issues are more serious than others.

The fact that THIS shirt is seen as a rebellion and a means to fit in with peers says a lot about how negative the LGBTQ agenda in our schools has become - and it's frightening to me. 1st because it's elementary level knowledge (only boys and girls - not beings who look like us with different sex organs) and second because in school it's as basic as 1 + 1 = 2... Yet now it's somehow seen as so inappropriate to show/say in public the child should be sent home.

This kind of "now" is the kind to fight against like our lives depend on it.

Personally I don’t like the idea of school uniforms because it take away our children’s right to express themselves. However like you said as parents we sometimes have to restrict that right to some degree.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

What about SexualDiversity.org?

It's owned and operated by Auscan Alliance, a one-man internet marketing firm (they also own disability-world.com). The bulk of the site's content appears to be scraped articles from all over the internet relating to sexuality and gender. Having a ".org" URL is meaningless - anyone can register a .org site. They are not an actual organization relating to sexuality or gender. Their list of genders (which isn't the same as the one you posted) is just copied from Wikipedia, which is a user-edited source and should not be taken as an actual academic listing of genders. The list you copied earlier is a collection of people's drabbles and thoughts, mainly from Tumblr (note that one definition is credited to "lolzmelmel"). Again, not an actual academic listing. Just people bouncing ideas around in an echo chamber.

What about this TED talk?

Anyone can give a TED talk. There have been some pretty strange ones. Just asking though - did you actually watch that one? Because the title of the video has very little to do with the actual talk (which only mentions "112 genders" in passing).

First they advocate it, then when it's all laid out before them, they start calling it absurd fiction.

That tends to happen when you build a strawman.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Rarely does that happen, though. Always the LGBTQ+ folks who get both barrels from loving Christians.

That’s not true at all, Christians are supposed to oppose sin. LGBTQ+? is sin just as theft, murder, rape, drunkenness,, idolatry, etc, etc. Christians don’t single out LGBTQ+? we simply stand firmly in opposition to it just like we do the rest of sin.

 

[Hank77]

Christians don’t single out LGBTQ+? we simply stand firmly in opposition to it just like we do the rest of sin.

I wonder if this 12 yr. old wore T-shirts that stood firmly in opposition to any of the other sins you mentioned or maybe a shirt that said there is only one religion or there is only one denomination?

I don't believe that any behavior that can disrupt the peaceful atmosphere in a school system should be allowed. Most kids don't do their best in chaotic and disruptive environments whether that's at home or a school.

In our own homes, we can discuss and teach our children whatever we choose but school should be a neutral environment, especially in K-8.