"Repent of your sins to be saved" is false, works salvation

[Guojing]

Depends on where you are at in life, and whether or not your supposed to be there, or be going there for right now or not?

I'm not God, so I don't know, etc.

God Bless.

But you know he is still saved if he believed the gospel found in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.

Would you agree?

 

[Guojing]

What about Matthew 5:20?

We gentiles do not need to enter the kingdom of heaven, to be saved today

 

[Neogaia777]

But you know he is still saved if he believed the gospel found in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.

Would you agree?

Yes, I would generally agree, if he or she still truly believed this, or genuinely still put true faith in this in their heart, which God knows.

God Bless.

 

[friend of]

I don't know if you are asking me or not, but we must all be very, very careful not to overstep our bounds in areas of judging, and judgement.

I think that the righteousness that is being talked about there is some of the things I have just been talking about, and is also about the Spirit of the Law vs the letter of it, because the bar is raised even higher in the NT.

You also need to consider "when" also? In a person's individual life, etc? Does this mean just by the end of it for example? Or what about the ups and downs, or successes and failures, or keeping them pretty well at times, but then maybe backsliding, or losing ground, or falling back for a bit, to only maybe later on, then maybe picking it back up and doing a lot better with it again?

Again, way, way too many factors in an individual life, and I'm not going to exceed my purvue, or my pay grade, etc, because again, "I'm not God", etc.

God Bless.

Hey thanks for your unique and insightful response

 

[friend of]

We gentiles do not need to enter the kingdom of heaven, to be saved today

Huh? Entering the kingdom of heaven is synonymous with being saved

 

[Neogaia777]

Hey thanks for your unique and insightful response

Thanks for saying that man.

God Bless!

 

[friend of]

You too

 

[Guojing]

Huh? Entering the kingdom of heaven is synonymous with being saved

Only under the gospel of the kingdom, which was not meant for today (Matthew 10:5-8, Matthew 15:24)

 

[friend of]

Only under the gospel of the kingdom, which was not meant for today (Matthew 10:5-8, Matthew 15:24)

The kingdom is future and denotes the new heavens new earth

 

[Der Alte]

We gentiles do not need to enter the kingdom of heaven, to be saved today

According to the Jewish Encyclopedia the kingdom of Heaven and the kingdom of God are synonymous.

KINGDOM OF GOD - JewishEncyclopedia.com

Complete contents the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia.

jewishencyclopedia.com

 

[Douglas Brian McIntire]

So since Jesus commanded his audience to obey the Law in Matthew (Matthew 5:19), you would agree that we should also obey the Law, otherwise, as you said, we are denying Jesus' own words?

When you understand why Jesus used parables you understand that "Love" trumps the law, but it does not excuse a person from not teaching or adhering to the law. Paul himself says he follows the law in Acts 24 when he was before Felix, but to Love fulfills the entirety of the law. So I would never ask someone to do something the Spirit of Christ has not requested of that person and I would love them until they love God with their life. Even Paul said (1 Timothy 6:3-5) that anyone not willing agree with Jesus' sound words or doctrine according to Godliness "KNOWS NOTHING." If you think you know more than Paul I will if possible tell everyone about you.

 

[Douglas Brian McIntire]

If it's not God and God only doing the works in and/or through you, and you were not predestined to be doing those specific works at those specific times by Him, then they have nothing at all to do with your salvation, and could actually be a hinderance, or a stumbling block to your salvation, if you are only operating in your own will and your own will only. Jesus spoke of this stumbling block in relation to the Pharisees.

God Bless.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PRE-DESTINATION other than what Paul wrote in Acts 17:24-31. Every predestination teaching has been distorted into a lie which creates contradictions within the Bible. You cannot accept Paul's words 100% you are giving a false testimony.

 

[Neogaia777]

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PRE-DESTINATION other than what Paul wrote in Acts 17:24-31. Every predestination teaching has been distorted into a lie which creates contradictions within the Bible. You cannot accept Paul's words 100% you are giving a false testimony.

God either knows everything, or He does not know everything, and if you don't know what I mean, you need to study some more, and acquire more knowledge, and learning.

It does not create any contradictions with the right (and correct) theology.

God Bless.

 

[Guojing]

According to the Jewish Encyclopedia the kingdom of Heaven and the kingdom of God are synonymous.

KINGDOM OF GOD - JewishEncyclopedia.com

Complete contents the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia.

jewishencyclopedia.com

Of course to Israel, they are the same. That was not my point.

 

[Guojing]

The kingdom is future and denotes the new heavens new earth

The point remains, salvation today is not dependent on the kingdom of heaven/earth.

 

[Guojing]

When you understand why Jesus used parables you understand that "Love" trumps the law, but it does not excuse a person from not teaching or adhering to the law. Paul himself says he follows the law in Acts 24 when he was before Felix, but to Love fulfills the entirety of the law. So I would never ask someone to do something the Spirit of Christ has not requested of that person and I would love them until they love God with their life. Even Paul said (1 Timothy 6:3-5) that anyone not willing agree with Jesus' sound words or doctrine according to Godliness "KNOWS NOTHING." If you think you know more than Paul I will if possible tell everyone about you.

Have you answered my question?

If one don't keep the Law, is he still saved?

 

[Der Alte]

Of course to Israel, they are the same. That was not my point.

Everybody who said "Kingdom of Heaven" and "Kingdom of Heaven" in the Bible were Jews. I don't see that you have a valid point.

 

[Douglas Brian McIntire]

Have you answered my question?

If one don't keep the Law, is he still saved?

Only Jesus can determine the heart of a person, but I will say because both Jesus and His Apostles taught it, that those who do not obey Jesus, do not love Him, and Jesus Himself said those who do not love Him will not do what He says.

The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector​

9 Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’ 13 And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.” (Luke 18: 9-14)

 

[friend of]

The point remains, salvation today is not dependent on the kingdom of heaven/earth.

Where do saved people go after they die then?

 

[Der Alte]

Where do saved people go after they die then?

IMHO I think the experience will be much like what we experience in this life. I have had a few major surgeries. My most recent was in '09 a simple 45 min. laparoscopic procedure which inexplicably became a 5 hr. open surgery. They administered something to make me unconscious and my experience was what seemed to me like a moment later they were waking me up. I did not experience any passage of time.