Should all Christians support Uganda's newest anti LGBTQ+ legislation?

[BNR32FAN]

Nah, not a word about the subject there. Or anywhere in the Gospels.

I’ll ask again, are not Paul’s words the word of God? You seem to be omitting portions of the word of God to promote sexual immorality.

 

[Whyayeman]

I’ll ask again, are not Paul’s words the word of God? You seem to be omitting portions of the word of God to promote sexual immorality.

Well, I don't think they are. I think Christians are bound by the words they attribute to Christ. It is just a bit convenient when Christ's word doesn't support a belief to bring in somebody else's opinion. (It is just me, don't worry.)

Back to the topic. Christians are free to regard buggery as an abomination (though many of them do not) and refrain. It is not for Christians to set the moral law - or the actual legal framework - for everybody else, on the basis of their own personal beliefs.

 

[Gene2memE]

I think making homosexuality illegal is a great idea but I don’t support a death penalty for it. The death penalty takes away a sinner’s ability to repent, I’d much rather give them the opportunity to repent and be saved than forever condemn them to the lake of fire.

Why? What interest does an explicitly secular government like that of the United States have in legislating religious morality in order to make homosexuality illegal?

Similarly, what interest does any state have in criminalising voluntary actions between individuals? Particularly ones where no rights are being infringed on, there is informed consent and no individual harm.

Or, are you in favour of a theocracy of some kind - whether formalised, normative or just putative - that enshrines Christian strictures into legal code? And, if so, what other behaviours are you in favour of criminalising (or permitting)?

 

[Divide]

The “fruit” mentioned in Matthew 7 is not children, it’s works that result from listening to Jesus Christ and doing what He said to do.

That's many different kinds of fruit. Are you not familar with them all? Me neither. So you are saying that God told them in Eden to, do good works and multiply, and not be fruitful and multiply?

The seed is embraced by the ground and grows a tree. And the tree bears fruit. In the same way A man is embraced by his wife and not long after they bear fruit

 

[Divide]

How about quoting from the Gospels?

He just did. Don't get too caught up in cliche's and slang talk. The entire book is the gospel message.

 

[Divide]

How?

I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.

 

[Divide]

Textbook example of Poe's Law here. I genuinely have no idea if you're trolling or serious. If you are being serious, please get some help - this level of descent into conspiracy theories is unhealthy.

Edgar? I am serious though speculative. Too many conspiracy theories for you? Has it not occured to you that the entire Bible describes a massive conspiracy? Lol.

 

[Divide]

So it is not homosexuality itself that requires punishment, only homosexual activity. That is now clear, thank you.

Having an unclean thought is not necessarily sinful. It's what you do with that thought. To outright reject the thought is to cast it down, but to entertain the thought and dwell on it may turn it into sin. Because what we focus on, we connect with, and the spirit behind it. Now what we focus on is what goes into our heart and becomes who we are. So then, how long have you had these homosexual thoughts? (Lol).

I understand you say you are not a practicing homosexual and I believe you, I think (after all, U.K.!) But good news, aiding and abetting Homosexuals and their activities or being a supporter of it as you are, is only a Misdemeanor for a first offense! So you'll prolly only get a small fine and a threat of jail time if you have a second conviction.

Lol, just a little forward thinking if those new laws catch on.

 

[Divide]

Or, are you in favour of a theocracy of some kind - whether formalised, normative or just putative - that enshrines Christian strictures into legal code? And, if so, what other behaviours are you in favour of criminalising (or permitting)?

I think we actually live under a Monarchy. It doesn't matter if you or anyone does not believe that because that wouldn't change the truth. That's just what some choose to believe.

Your questions about legal codes and criminalization and punishments are all found in the Christian Bible

 

[BNR32FAN]

Well, I don't think they are. I think Christians are bound by the words they attribute to Christ. It is just a bit convenient when Christ's word doesn't support a belief to bring in somebody else's opinion. (It is just me, don't worry.)

Back to the topic. Christians are free to regard buggery as an abomination (though many of them do not) and refrain. It is not for Christians to set the moral law - or the actual legal framework - for everybody else, on the basis of their own personal beliefs.

Paul was specifically chosen by Jesus Christ to deliver the gospel to the Gentiles. God never chooses a person for a task who will fail to accomplish it. What you’ve said here only proves that you are omitting certain portions of the scriptures in order to promote sexual immorality. This moral law was not set by Christians, it was set by God thru the men He chose to deliver His word to the world. It was the same in the OT as it is in the NT.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Why? What interest does an explicitly secular government like that of the United States have in legislating religious morality in order to make homosexuality illegal?

I don’t care about secular government policies. Christians should not hold the US Constitution in higher regard than the Bible.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Why? What interest does an explicitly secular government like that of the United States have in legislating religious morality in order to make homosexuality illegal?

Similarly, what interest does any state have in criminalising voluntary actions between individuals? Particularly ones where no rights are being infringed on, there is informed consent and no individual harm.

Or, are you in favour of a theocracy of some kind - whether formalised, normative or just putative - that enshrines Christian strictures into legal code? And, if so, what other behaviours are you in favour of criminalising (or permitting)?

Yes I am in favor of a Christian theocracy.

 

[BNR32FAN]

That's many different kinds of fruit. Are you not familar with them all? Me neither. So you are saying that God told them in Eden to, do good works and multiply, and not be fruitful and multiply?

God said that twice and in both cases it was to populate the earth. He said it to Adam & Eve, and He said it to Noah. In both cases there was no world population. It is not a commandment for all to multiply, it was never commanded as such.

 

[Whyayeman]

Yes I am in favor of a Christian theocracy.

They have never ended well, but good luck with the next one!

 

[Whyayeman]

He just did. Don't get too caught up in cliche's and slang talk. The entire book is the gospel message.

No, it isn't. The Gospels are the writings attributed to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. I thought there was general agreement about that.

Those were the books I was referring to.

 

[Whyayeman]

I understand you say you are not a practicing homosexual and I believe you, I think (after all, U.K.!)

I don't think I have said anything about my sexuality. I think it is your comprehension skills that need a bit of work.

 

[Whyayeman]

Paul was specifically chosen by Jesus Christ to deliver the gospel to the Gentiles.

Hmm. There is nothing in the Gospels about homosexuality. I thought we had established that.

Maybe Paul decided to put in bits for himself. He was a rabbi already, after all.

 

[Divide]

God said that twice and in both cases it was to populate the earth. He said it to Adam & Eve, and He said it to Noah. In both cases there was no world population. It is not a commandment for all to multiply, it was never commanded as such.

Are you sure, Brother? I mean, I kow it isn't in the 10 commandments but this is the words of the Creator God to His creation, like a dads words to his son. Everything a dad says to their son is not given to the son as a commandment ultimatum type of command, but still the son learns to follow his dads words, doesn't he? Of course. So if this be so, then how much more so with our Father in Heaven?

And so what if the earth needed populated very much at those times when God said them. This planet isnt even out of room for people yet. God knew how big the earth He wanted to hold how many people and of course He ensured enough resources to make it happen.

 

[Divide]

I don't think I have said anything about my sexuality. I think it is your comprehension skills that need a bit of work.

No, that would be memory, lol. Sorry. Somebody else. So your gay? So what. Your choice.

 

[BNR32FAN]

No, it isn't. The Gospels are the writings attributed to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. I thought there was general agreement about that.

Those were the books I was referring to.

Those are the gospel accounts of Jesus but Paul’s writings are also the gospel (good news). Jesus did say this, “Man does not live by bread alone but from every word that comes from God”. Are you saying that Paul’s writings are not the word of God?