Donald Trump indicted by Manhattan grand jury

[A2SG]

Zuckerberg’s election spending was ‘carefully orchestrated’ to influence 2020 vote: ex-FEC member

A former federal election official called the $400 million-plus that Mark Zuckerberg spent a “carefully orchestrated attempt” to influence the 2020 vote.

nypost.com

Which makes his donations exactly the same as every other campaign donation since money and political campaigns have existed.

Hoping to influence a campaign by donating money is not the same as buying an election outright. Showing that the former has happened is a far cry from proving that the latter has happened.

-- A2SG, gee, I wonder if any conservatives donated money to candidates at the same time......

 

[BPPLEE]

Did she sign the checks?

Remember the Trump Organization was convicted of crimes. Why hasn't Trump been prosecuted for them?

Because they haven’t ran out of other things to investigate yet

 

[Valletta]

Did she sign the checks?

Remember the Trump Organization was convicted of crimes. Why hasn't Trump been prosecuted for them?

She had an illegal server with classified information on it and when the records were requested she had her staff destroy the records.

 

[BPPLEE]

Which makes his donations exactly the same as every other campaign donation since money and political campaigns have existed.

Hoping to influence a campaign by donating money is not the same as buying an election outright. Showing that the former has happened is a far cry from proving that the latter has happened.

-- A2SG, gee, I wonder if any conservatives donated money to candidates at the same time......

The money wasn’t donated to candidates.

 

[BPPLEE]

She had an illegal server with classified information on it and when the records were requested she had her staff destroy the records.

@Valletta said “We don't know the details of the charges because Bragg is in violation of the U.S. Constitution.” I think you may be right. It’s a 6th amendment issue

 

[A2SG]

The money wasn’t donated to candidates.

And that makes a difference....how, exactly?

Are you contending that donating money for political campaigns is a bad thing, and should be disallowed? I might be able to get behind that idea, come to think of it.

-- A2SG, might fix a few problems, at that.....

 

[essentialsaltes]

She had an illegal server with classified information on it and when the records were requested she had her staff destroy the records.

Nice smoke bomb!

 

[essentialsaltes]

The money wasn’t donated to candidates.

If you weren't discovered under a cabbage leaf yesterday, the payment to Stormy Daniels, a couple weeks before the election, was meant to influence the election (like advertising money, etc.). Not all of the money Trump spent on his campaign went into his own pockets -- those are still campaign expenses.

 

[Valletta]

If you weren't discovered under a cabbage leaf yesterday, the payment to Stormy Daniels, a couple weeks before the election, was meant to influence the election (like advertising money, etc.). Not all of the money Trump spent on his campaign went into his own pockets -- those are still campaign expenses.

Then charge him with a misdemeanor and have him pay a fine if found guilty, along with every other person and entity that does the same, instead of making a mockery of the law and bringing 34 felonies against him because he is hated by left wing radicals. The more we cater to the hard leftists that hate American and hate the Constitution the worse it will get. It's going to end one way or another, the hard left is dragging this country down and foreign governments are licking their chops.

 

[A2SG]

Then charge him with a misdemeanor and have him pay a fine if found guilty, along with every other person and entity that does the same, instead of making a mockery of the law and bringing 34 felonies against him because he is hated by left wing radicals. The more we cater to the hard leftists that hate American and hate the Constitution the worse it will get. It's going to end one way or another, the hard left is dragging this country down and foreign governments are licking their chops.

Do you think falsifying business records is perfectly okay?

-- A2SG, fraud is still a crime, last I checked.....

 

[Valletta]

Do you think falsifying business records is perfectly okay?

-- A2SG, fraud is still a crime, last I checked.....

Heck no. But despite what Nancy Pelosi and others claim, Trump is presumed innocent. And it's a misdemeanor charge where the statue of limitations has expired. Yet New York City is spending millions. Is that what they do for every expired misdemeanor? On the other hand, there is no question of Hillary's guilt for far greater crimes. Why hasn't she been prosecuted? This is a mockery of justice, we have hard core leftists who are willing to violate our Constitution in order to get Trump and to stop the population from voting for him. The longer this injustice goes on, the more money wasted, money that could be used to help the poor, the greater the travesty.

 

[A2SG]

Heck no. But despite what Nancy Pelosi and others claim, Trump is presumed innocent. And it's a misdemeanor charge where the statue of limitations has expired. Yet New York City is spending millions. Is that what they do for every expired misdemeanor? On the other hand, there is no question of Hillary's guilt for far greater crimes. Why hasn't she been prosecuted? This is a mockery of justice, we have hard core leftists who are willing to violate our Constitution in order to get Trump and to stop the population from voting for him. The longer this injustice goes on, the more money wasted, money that could be used to help the poor, the greater the travesty.

If falsifying business records is a crime, then someone -- anyone -- who is accused of that crime should be prosecuted, and have their day in court. This is completely independent of any legal means for dismissing the charges or anything else.

But, when you claim that this trial is "making a mockery of the law" or when you imply that the only basis for these charges is that he is "hated by left wing radicals", you dismiss the validity of the crimes on which Trump stands accused.

Either it's valid to prosecute someone for falsifying business records, or it isn't. Regardless of who hates whomever. Falsifying business records is a crime, so prosecuting someone accused of doing that isn't a mockery of the law. And if there is evidence showing this crime occurred (which will be presented at trial, I've no doubt), then the basis for this trial is more than who hates the defendant.

And I ain't touching the Hilary part of your post.

-- A2SG, apparently the presumption of innocence only works for Trump.......

 

[Valletta]

If falsifying business records is a crime, then someone -- anyone -- who is accused of that crime should be prosecuted, and have their day in court. This is completely independent of any legal means for dismissing the charges or anything else.

But, when you claim that this trial is "making a mockery of the law" or when you imply that the only basis for these charges is that he is "hated by left wing radicals", you dismiss the validity of the crimes on which Trump stands accused.

Either it's valid to prosecute someone for falsifying business records, or it isn't. Regardless of who hates whomever. Falsifying business records is a crime, so prosecuting someone accused of doing that isn't a mockery of the law. And if there is evidence showing this crime occurred (which will be presented at trial, I've no doubt), then the basis for this trial is more than who hates the defendant.

And I ain't touching the Hilary part of your post.

-- A2SG, apparently the presumption of innocence only works for Trump.......

This is very clearly prosecutorial misconduct. We have had enough. These endless charges against Trump to try and stop the people from voting for him is an attack against our Republic.

 

[A2SG]

This is very clearly prosecutorial misconduct. We have had enough. These endless charges against Trump to try and stop the people from voting for him is an attack against our Republic.

I guess you'd be correct if he isn't guilty of these crimes, or any others he may or may not be indicted for in the future.

On that, I suppose we'll find out eventually.

-- A2SG, though it is nice to know that Trump isn't above the law, even if he thought he was.....

 

[Valletta]

I guess you'd be correct if he isn't guilty of these crimes, or any others he may or may not be indicted for in the future.

On that, I suppose we'll find out eventually.

-- A2SG, though it is nice to know that Trump isn't above the law, even if he thought he was.....

He never thought he was. It's not who is below or above the law, it is that the left has thrown away the rule of law.

 

[A2SG]

He never thought he was. It's not who is below or above the law, it is that the left has thrown away the rule of law.

You may not have thought so, but he sure seems to:

"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" Trump remarked at a campaign stop at Dordt College in Sioux Center, Iowa. "It's, like, incredible."

How is prosecuting someone for a crime throwing away the rule of law? Are you contending that falsifying business records isn't a crime?

-- A2SG, if someone said President Biden did that....would you be so quick to dismiss the claim?

 

[USincognito]

Actually there are not reasonable people on both sides. The indictment lacked any specific details as to the crimes committed by Trump. If Trump is being charged with 34 felonies under the U.S. Constitution he has a right to know the specific charges. Bragg is making a mockery of the law and New York is spending millions of dollars for a political witch hunt.

I have no idea where you're getting this nonsense. The indictment and statement of fact has been available online since the afternoon on the 4th.

District Attorney Bragg Announces 34-Count Felony Indictment of Former President Donald J. Trump

“The People of the State of New York allege that Donald J. Trump repeatedly and fraudulently falsified New York business records to conceal crimes that hid damaging information from the voting public during the 2016 presidential election,” said District Attorney Bragg. “Manhattan is home to the coun

manhattanda.org

(links at the top of the announcement)
They go into the details and list not only the specific charges, but the evidence that convinced the grand jury to indict. Donald and his attorneys would have had a paper copy of that information.

 

[USincognito]

Yes Democrats are better at sticking together than Republicans are

There's a saying that Democrats fall in love while Republicans fall in line. There was no better example of that than 2016 when a bunch of Bernie supporters and folks who wanted Medicare for all, etc. sat out or voted for Jill Stein because they didn't like Secretary Clinton.

 

[HIM]

I have no idea where you're getting this nonsense. The indictment and statement of fact has been available online since the afternoon on the 4th.

District Attorney Bragg Announces 34-Count Felony Indictment of Former President Donald J. Trump

“The People of the State of New York allege that Donald J. Trump repeatedly and fraudulently falsified New York business records to conceal crimes that hid damaging information from the voting public during the 2016 presidential election,” said District Attorney Bragg. “Manhattan is home to the coun

manhattanda.org

(links at the top of the announcement)
They go into the details and list not only the specific charges, but the evidence that convinced the grand jury to indict. Donald and his attorneys would have had a paper copy of that information.

Statute of Limitations says they had 5 years to make a case on a class E Felony in New York. What year are we going on if these transgressions happened in 2016 or before?

 

[USincognito]

Statute of Limitations says they had 5 years to make a case on a class E Felony in New York. What year are we going on if these transgressions happened in 2016 or before?

I realize this is a popular talking point, but do you honestly think that Alvin Bragg was too stupid to realize that fact before charging a former occupier of the White House?

In reality the clock stopped on limitations as soon as he moved to DC. It has continued to be stopped as he now lives in Florida.

Tolling (law) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Tolling is a legal doctrine that allows for the pausing or delaying of the running of the period of time set forth by a statute of limitations, such that a lawsuit may potentially be filed even after the statute of limitations has run. Although grounds for tolling the statute of limitations vary by jurisdiction, common grounds include:[1]

• The defendant is not physically within a certain jurisdiction (state or country).