Donald Trump indicted by Manhattan grand jury

[wing2000]

Actually there are not reasonable people on both sides. The indictment lacked any specific details as to the crimes committed by Trump. If Trump is being charged with 34 felonies under the U.S. Constitution he has a right to know the specific charges. Bragg is making a mockery of the law and New York is spending millions of dollars for a political witch hunt.

Both sides are represented by competent attorneys.....rest assured, the defense would readily file motions with the court if relevant information was not shared with the defense.

 

[essentialsaltes]

If Trump is being charged with 34 felonies under the U.S. Constitution he has a right to know the specific charges.

The 34 specific charges are in the document.

 

[hedrick]

Actually there are not reasonable people on both sides. The indictment lacked any specific details as to the crimes committed by Trump. If Trump is being charged with 34 felonies under the U.S. Constitution he has a right to know the specific charges. Bragg is making a mockery of the law and New York is spending millions of dollars for a political witch hunt.

It was explicit about what he's charged with. That is falsifying records in furtherance of other crimes. Commentators say it didn't have to be explicit about the other crimes at this point. That is evidence for the crimes, not the crimes. But it will need to be soon. So far I'm not convinced that this case is going to hold up, but I'm not a lawyer, and many real ones think it will (as many real ones think it won't).

 

[Say it aint so]

Your post has nothing to do with Cohen saying he wouldn’t accept a pardon. I don’t know what your point is. Cohen is obviously bitter and out to get revenge.

Never said anything about Cohen not excepting a pardon. You brought that up. What I said was for some reason Trump never pardoned Cohen, even after his lawyers were in talks with Trump's whitehouse lawyers regarding a pardon. Trump's lawyers told Cohen to stay loyal, you have friends high places.

 

[Say it aint so]

Actually there are not reasonable people on both sides. The indictment lacked any specific details as to the crimes committed by Trump. If Trump is being charged with 34 felonies under the U.S. Constitution he has a right to know the specific charges. Bragg is making a mockery of the law and New York is spending millions of dollars for a political witch hunt.

The charges are in the indictment. What you mean to say is what charges may elevate this into a Federal crime. All Trump's lawyers have to do is petition for those charges.

 

[Say it aint so]

Both sides, Trump and Stormy Daniels, deny having sex. Yet you talk about "flings." What has been happening is the persecution of Trump or those who may support him. Our U.S. Constitution is being violated when a person is held without trial for two years, or information to obtain a general warrant to raid Trump's residence is falsified, or, as in this case, the details of the charges against a person are not presented. Democrats have interfered in the presidential election process before by working with social media to suppress stories that might hurt Biden, now they are scheduling a trial of Trump to coincide with the beginning of the presidential primary season. Let's not forget about the second impeachment of Trump when he was out of office, and the numerous hoaxes against Trump to falsely discredit him. All of this distracts from the cowtowing by the Biden administration to the Chinese, and the numerous flagged financial transactions discovered involving Biden family transactions with Chinese-involved entities. The last I heard around 250 such transactions had been flagged, that is an incredible amount. And there is still one unnamed Biden involved. Democrats who care about due process and blind justice should urge that the charges against Trump be quickly dropped.

Wow.

 

[Valletta]

The charges are in the indictment. What you mean to say is what charges may elevate this into a Federal crime. All Trump's lawyers have to do is petition for those charges.

He is being charged with 34 felonies, what felonies do you think he has committed?

 

[JosephZ]

Actually there are not reasonable people on both sides. The indictment lacked any specific details as to the crimes committed by Trump. If Trump is being charged with 34 felonies under the U.S. Constitution he has a right to know the specific charges. Bragg is making a mockery of the law and New York is spending millions of dollars for a political witch hunt.

You do realize that DA Bragg had to show his evidence to a grand jury, a grand jury made up of individuals that Trump's lawyers approved, and it was up to that jury to indict right?

 

[Valletta]

It was explicit about what he's charged with. That is falsifying records in furtherance of other crimes. Commentators say it didn't have to be explicit about the other crimes at this point. That is evidence for the crimes, not the crimes. But it will need to be soon. So far I'm not convinced that this case is going to hold up, but I'm not a lawyer, and many real ones think it will (as many real ones think it won't).

As to warrants:

Amendment IV​

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

As to charges:

Amendment VI​

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

 

[BPPLEE]

He is being charged with 34 felonies, what felonies do you think he has committed?

Just a small detail but I’m wondering how checks written in 2017 were an attempt to influence the 2016 election? In the Middle of His Official Business, Trump Took the Time to Send Checks to Michael Cohen (Published 2019)

 

[Valletta]

You do realize that DA Bragg had to show his evidence to a grand jury, a grand jury made up of individuals that Trump's lawyers approved, and it was up to that jury to indict right?

I do know that information was withheld from the grand jury, it would be no surprise to me if all 23 jurors were Democrats, or with evidence withheld that they could get 12 Democrats to vote for indictment against Trump. There are a significant number of Democrats who see this for what it is, not a majority, but a lot.

 

[Valletta]

Wow.

Stormy Daniels must pay $122,000 in Trump legal bills

Stormy Daniels must pay nearly $122,000 of Donald Trump's legal fees that were racked up in connection with the porn actor's failed defamation lawsuit, an appeals court ruled Tuesday. The decision in California came at about the same time that that Trump became the only ex-president to be...

www.yahoo.com

 

[BPPLEE]

I do know that information was withheld from the grand jury, it would be no surprise to me if all 23 jurors were Democrats, or with evidence withheld that they could get 12 Democrats to vote for indictment against Trump. There are a significant number of Democrats who see this for what it is, not a majority, but a lot.

It’s not hard to get a grand jury to indict someone.

 

[mark46]

I'm not saying anything. I just looked up the statute of limitations and the date the alleged crime took place. Then I asked you what you made of it, because I don't know what to make of it myself.

fair enough

I apologize for any offense.

 

[SimplyMe]

Both sides, Trump and Stormy Daniels, deny having sex. Yet you talk about "flings."

It is a good thing the charges have nothing to do with "flings" -- rather payments to keep a person quiet.

What has been happening is the persecution of Trump or those who may support him.

So you keep claiming.

Our U.S. Constitution is being violated when a person is held without trial for two years,

Trump was held for two years? I'd likely agree with you as a general principle, particularly when people feel "forced" into taking plea deals just to get out of jail (they stay in jail longer if they do not accept the plea deal than if they were found guilty at trial).

And perhaps I'm wrong but I seem to recall you were a fan of "Sheriff Joe" in Arizona and had no issue with the conditions of the inmates in his "prison" -- even those that had yet to have their case heard.

or information to obtain a general warrant to raid Trump's residence is falsified,

Oh? What evidence was falsified? Odd, if it was falsified, that Trump's lawyers have not filed motions in court complaining about it, much less appealed to have all the items returned to Trump.

or, as in this case, the details of the charges against a person are not presented.

Except, as has been pointed out, the details have been presented -- they were presented yesterday.

Democrats have interfered in the presidential election process before by working with social media to suppress stories that might hurt Biden,

Oddly, we learned that the Trump White House interfered -- trying to block stories that would hurt Trump. Not to mention how Trump threatened to shut them down using the power of government. What we also learned is that what Biden was trying to block was nude images of Hunter. I'm also not sure what power the Biden campaign had to "force" suppression of any stories -- not like the White House had.

now they are scheduling a trial of Trump to coincide with the beginning of the presidential primary season.

No, that is when the case would normally (were Trump not a Presidential candidate) fall on the calendar. I suspect motions will be made to expedite the trial.

Let's not forget about the second impeachment of Trump when he was out of office, and the numerous hoaxes against Trump to falsely discredit him. All of this distracts from the cowtowing by the Biden administration to the Chinese, and the numerous flagged financial transactions discovered involving Biden family transactions with Chinese-involved entities. The last I heard around 250 such transactions had been flagged, that is an incredible amount. And there is still one unnamed Biden involved. Democrats who care about due process and blind justice should urge that the charges against Trump be quickly dropped.

Funny how things have suddenly become about the "Biden family" -- to make it sound as if Joe has something to do with his son's business, despite a clear lack of evidence. The most you can claim is a "China deal" that Hunter was putting together that had references to "the big guy," a deal which fell apart and made no money, where Bobulinski claims Joe Biden was "the big guy" but the actual author of the email has stated Joe Biden was not "the big guy."

Odd how you have no interest in the Trump family receiving billions from Saudi Arabia while cowtowing to them, even when they were clearly behind the murder of a US Citizen.

 

[hedrick]

The laws prohibit falsifying business records in furtherance of a crime. The indictment lists all the business records, and one crime. That is enough to identify the specific laws he is accused of violating and the specific records involved. It identifies the law he violated and the specific actions. That appears to be enough at this stage. He mentioned two additional crimes that the falsifying was associated with, but verbally, i.e. not in the indictment.

The biggest questions seem to be whether the campaign laws actually apply to this, and whether the DA can prove the other crimes he mentioned, particularly that it was part of a tax fraud. That would appear to be stronger legally, if he has proof.

Recent Supreme Court rulings have made it diffcult to win cases on corruption. However this is being tried in NY. Could a NY court conclude thatTrump violated Federal law when a Federal court might not? It looks to me like the case will be stronger if the DA can show violations of State laws.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Just a small detail but I’m wondering how checks written in 2017 were an attempt to influence the 2016 election?

If you can figure out how Soros and Zuckerberg have hypnotized Alvin Bragg, you should be able to work out the timing and connection between Trump, Cohen and Stormy Daniels. It's not complicated.

 

[mark46]

It was explicit about what he's charged with. That is falsifying records in furtherance of other crimes. Commentators say it didn't have to be explicit about the other crimes at this point. That is evidence for the crimes, not the crimes. But it will need to be soon. So far I'm not convinced that this case is going to hold up, but I'm not a lawyer, and many real ones think it will (as many real ones think it won't).

soon, so that you can see the evidence?

There will be motions to dismiss. If the prosecution can convince THE JUDGE that there is enough to proceed, the case will continue.

I don't think that this will be an issue. The crimes were specifically discussed in the Cohen case, and stated in the final order.

There will other issues that will be addressed in motions, before the jury can be chosen.

 

[hedrick]

Just a small detail but I’m wondering how checks written in 2017 were an attempt to influence the 2016 election? In the Middle of His Official Business, Trump Took the Time to Send Checks to Michael Cohen (Published 2019)

Because it hid things until after the election

 

[essentialsaltes]

He is being charged with 34 felonies, what felonies do you think he has committed?

He is being charged with "34 counts of Falsifying Business Records in the First Degree"