Donald Trump indicted by Manhattan grand jury

[BPPLEE]

More revisionism. In both impeachments Donald received Republican votes to acquit. In Imeachment II he almost received enough Republican votes to convict. By contrast President Clinton not only received no Dem votes to convict, but 10 Rep votes to acquit.

Yes Democrats are better at sticking together than Republicans are

 

[Hans Blaster]

Go back and listen to Bragg when he was campaigning. You should be able to find it on YouTube

Let's stipulate to motivation and return to the question of validity. Do you claim that a prosecutor is just going to file charges that he knows a judge will toss out with prejudice at the slightest challenge? I'm not claiming that DA Bragg's legal theory will be fully or even partially accepted after pre-trial litigation, nor that he is certain that it will survive.

 

[hedrick]

Let's stipulate to motivation and return to the question of validity. Do you claim that a prosecutor is just going to file charges that he knows a judge will toss out with prejudice at the slightest challenge? I'm not claiming that DA Bragg's legal theory will be fully or even partially accepted after pre-trial litigation, nor that he is certain that it will survive.

The judge probably won’t toss it, but it seems like theres a substantial chance apeals will. Equally informed commentators think it will stick and not.

 

[NxNW]

He didn’t do anything illegal and I think you meant indicted.

That was a reference to Trump spelling it wrong in his tweet.

 

[hedrick]

Federal prosecutors already determined Trump's hush money to Stormy didn't break the law. It's already been looked into and they found nothing. This is nothing more than a far-leftist, who ran a "get Trump" campaign and has ties to Soros, is trying to humiliate someone on the other side of the aisle.

Sort of. Prosecutors decided not to prosecute. That can be a pragmatic judgement, not a legal one. Cohen pled guilty to the same thing. But there are commentators who think it wasn’t actually a crime. Courts will have to decide.

 

[BPPLEE]

Let's stipulate to motivation and return to the question of validity. Do you claim that a prosecutor is just going to file charges that he knows a judge will toss out with prejudice at the slightest challenge? I'm not claiming that DA Bragg's legal theory will be fully or even partially accepted after pre-trial litigation, nor that he is certain that it will survive.

He campaigned on getting Trump and I’ve heard legal experts say there are at least three things about this case that will be grounds for an appeal. One is the statute of limitations, not sure what the others are. It looks like a sloppy attempt to keep a campaign promise but we won’t know until it goes to trial.

 

[BPPLEE]

That was a reference to Trump spelling it wrong in his tweet.

Oh I thought it might have been auto correct.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I’ve heard legal experts say there are at least three things about this case that will be grounds for an appeal. One is the statute of limitations, not sure what the others are.

Others include if there was an intent to commit another crime (tax fraud, campaign violations, etc.) and if there was an intent to defraud (and whom).

 

[GDL]

As an adversary said to me once, I can sue anybody, anytime, for whatever I want. Now it's, I can indict anybody, anytime, for whatever I want. The entire gov't is now the issuance of executive orders and the subsequent testing in stacked courts. Limited consequences. Partiality. Strongly divided we fall. History is not kind to the longevity of nations.

 

[BPPLEE]

Others include if there was an intent to commit another crime (tax fraud, campaign violations, etc.) and if there was an intent to defraud (and whom).

I don’t know if it’s correct but I heard a commentator say the prosecution asked to go to trial in January of 2024.

 

[ozso]

It was a reference to the days immediately following Jan 6, in which the cabinet discussed invoking the 25th and removing Trump.

There was talk about that back during Russiagate. For many the whole thing has been like a years long protracted Russiagate. All the allegations, all the investigations, all the committees and hearings, and what seems like on a daily basis, hearing that Trump is going to jail any day now. There's 78262562590 memes out there of him in an orange jumpsuit going back to before he was even elected.

For years it's been the boy who cried wolf on steroids.

 

[ozso]

I don’t know if it’s correct but I heard a commentator say the prosecution asked to go to trial in January of 2024.

They gotta save it all for 2024 and then drag it out to November.

 

[Say it aint so]

Oh please, he's been in the frying pan forever. He's played 7623565891 games of golf while in the frying pan. He's been in the frying pan since you were a teenager.

Yes, he is his own worse enemy.

 

[Hans Blaster]

There was talk about that back during Russiagate. For many the whole thing has been like a years long protracted Russiagate. All the allegations, all the investigations, all the committees and hearings, and what seems like on a daily basis, hearing that Trump is going to jail any day now. There's 78262562590 memes out there of him in an orange jumpsuit going back to before he was even elected.

For years it's been the boy who cried wolf on steroids.

What exactly was "Russiagate"? The term is rather vague.

 

[Say it aint so]

??? His lawyer went to jail given the same crimes. Sounds like proof of "conspiring to commit a crime" to me.

Maybe, but he comes with receipts and documentation. My point was your client fraud exception comment of, "They can get around it if they prove they were conspiring to commit a crime but it remains to be seen." Since Cohen went to jail, there goes that exception.

 

[SimplyMe]

I don’t know if it’s correct but I heard a commentator say the prosecution asked to go to trial in January of 2024.

I'm curious where you heard that? My suspicion is that it wasn't anything stated by the prosecutor, rather a comment by a biased commentator acting on the idea that the Prosecutor, out to get Trump, wants to try the case while Republicans are voting for their nominee. Though, actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump wouldn't love having the trial then, or even in the fall of 2024, so he can complain about "Democrats" and their "bogus lawsuits" interfering with his 2024 campaigning.

I know that the judge set the hearing for motions in December -- but that was just normal court procedure. I suspect there will be requests to "fast track" the case, so it can be concluded before people start voting.

 

[SimplyMe]

What exactly was "Russiagate"? The term is rather vague.

I believe he is referring to the various Republican run investigations into the connections between the Trump campaign and Russia.

 

[essentialsaltes]

What exactly was "Russiagate"? The term is rather vague.

You know, like Watergate, where several people were convicted for crimes they performed on behalf of a president (who was not himself indicted).

 

[Say it aint so]

Trump once again is his own worst enemy, even how in he handled this Manhattan mess. Michael Cohen as he was being indicted sought a pardon from Trump. Trump has pardoned it seems everyone under the sun for the wrong reasons. He pardoned Sheriff Joe Arpaio for the wrong reasons. He pardoned everyone in his circle who served jail, was in jail, sentenced and about to serve jail, or also indicted. He even pardoned some people who are now back in jail after committing crimes after being pardoned. So why didn't he just pardon Cohen and get rid of the whole situation? They often say with Trump loyalty is a one way street. Even if he felt Cohen wronged him in some way, his disregard for norms or just doing the right thing wasn't a road block to pardoning Cohen.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Meanwhile, on the same day:

“BREAKING!!! the 9th Circuit just awarded Trump $121,962.56 in attorney fees from Stormy Daniels. Order just released. This in addition to the roughly $500k she already owes him,” the former president’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., wrote in a tweet Tuesday.​

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The very day the man is indicted - the courts order Stormy to pay President Trump a total of $621,962.56 in damages from a lawsuit about their alleged affair.

You can't make this stuff up!