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Gender mess for Holy spirit
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Well the spirit never changes unless it was once dead and Christ the messiah found you and you are born from above.
As for " Judaism holds men and women equal,"
yeah if that was only true yet its not. Heard to many stories.
As for " Judaism holds men and women equal,"
yeah if that was only true yet its not. Heard to many stories.
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1. Spirit is Personhood without gender. Even the assigning of masculinity to HaShem is an anthropomorphism (since masculinity was the dominant gender back in the day). Yeshua, of course, is male in his humanity but without gender in his Spirit (G-d the Word).
2. Ruach HaKodesh did not impregnate Miryam. He implanted the complete Holy Embryo in her virgin womb Abba created as his only act of creation (John 1:14, Hebrew s10:5, Hebrews 1:5). Ruach HaKodesh is no more the Father than a physician implanting embryos in a woman's womb (artificial insemination) is the father.
2. Ruach HaKodesh did not impregnate Miryam. He implanted the complete Holy Embryo in her virgin womb Abba created as his only act of creation (John 1:14, Hebrew s10:5, Hebrews 1:5). Ruach HaKodesh is no more the Father than a physician implanting embryos in a woman's womb (artificial insemination) is the father.
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On the contrary. Yeshua is the last adam (prototype) with the same innocence as the first had before the fall.
And he endured the gestation process to be the [legal] heir of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah, and David.
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The scriptures prove Yeshua (preincarnate) is the lone Creator of all things created in the beginning. Isaiah 44:24 specifically states the Creator created alone by himself. John 1:3 and Colossians 1:16 indicate that Creator is Yeshua. So the Father of the first Adam was Yeshua (preincarnate).
The Father of the last Adam is God the Father (Hebrews 10:5, Hebrews 1:5) and the body / humanity of Yeshua is in fact the only thing the Father created (hence "only begotten" in the texts like John 1:14, John 3:16-18, etc).
The Father of the last Adam is God the Father (Hebrews 10:5, Hebrews 1:5) and the body / humanity of Yeshua is in fact the only thing the Father created (hence "only begotten" in the texts like John 1:14, John 3:16-18, etc).
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Male and female are God's creation. In heaven, gender has no meaning. God calls Himself "Father", Jesus is the "Son". The Holy Spirit is God. Gender is only an issue here on earth and only because people make it an issue. God has order in the Godhead so we should not be surprised if there is order in God's plan for humanity.
Satan is the one who wants to undo God's order. Human fathers are abdicating their role in parenting, women are trying to usurp the role of men, children attempt to manipulate and control their parents. The end result is confusion, depression, increase in suicide, spiraling crime, drug and alcohol abuse and consequent evils. The church at least should be an example of godliness to the world. However, woke progressives are infilitrating the church, and not for good.
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Everything you said is true. Assigning gender to the Godhead parts helps identify their roles.
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Already answered. Male/female are human terms. Woman came from man but is not male. Can you say that the Holy Spirit came from God but is not God?
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ADVISOR HAT
This thread is closed as it is delving into unorthodoxy and conflicts with the Statement of Faith for this site. That Statement includes:
This thread is closed as it is delving into unorthodoxy and conflicts with the Statement of Faith for this site. That Statement includes:
Please keep in mind this scripture:
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Regardless of the grammatical gender of the word for the Holy Spirit, we worship One God/Three Persons,. Exactly how the Holy Spirit caused the Incarnation, it is a mystery and does not change that Jesus Christ was born a man and God the Son.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Regardless of the grammatical gender of the word for the Holy Spirit, we worship One God/Three Persons,. Exactly how the Holy Spirit caused the Incarnation, it is a mystery and does not change that Jesus Christ was born a man and God the Son.
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