RECORD vs LAYERS

[Aaron112]

Avoiding the topic, plain and simple.
And if I shouldn't trust man, by that logic, then I shouldn't trust AV with his claims about God either.

Plain and simple, not quite there, but might start to get it.....
Remember salvation is not by logic, and not by trusting av, or me, or anyone else on the forum/ internet/ world.....

Trusting the evil one/s/ , is how to never get saved nor healed.
Trusting any man, is not what is good or right or true....

Trusting media/ science/ the world, gets people where ? Confused, deceived, lost.

 

[Aaron112]

Why go through all the trouble of sorting fossils like that in a several thousand year old world if it never happened like that?

Really ? Are you going to keep trusting greedy dishonest sciencemen ?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Plain and simple, not quite there, but might start to get it.....
Remember salvation is not by logic, and not by trusting av, or me, or anyone else on the forum/ internet/ world.....

Trusting the evil one/s/ , is how to never get saved nor healed.
Trusting any man, is not what is good or right or true....

Trusting media/ science/ the world, gets people where ? Confused, deceived, lost.

But this isn't about salvation, it's discussing what we see in the world that God created. When we talk about the world, we talk about what is physical and real. Salvation is religious and theological and has no bearing on what the topic is.

Really ? Are you going to keep trusting greedy dishonest sciencemen ?

And now we're just going onto attacks on people you've never met at all but decided to judge because you don't like them.

Judge not lest ye be judged, seems very applicable here.

 

[AV1611VET]

But why do it in a way that would show the opposite of creation?

He first told you what He did, where He did it, when He did it, why He did it, how He did it, what order He did it in, how long it took Him to do it, why it took Him that long, and who the eyewitness were -- in writing.

Then Jesus said the geological layers should attest to His majesty.

And finally, Paul warned us to beware of the "rudiments of the world."

So the onus is on science not to interpret the geologic layers against what God put in writing.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

He first told you what He did, where He did it, when He did it, why He did it, how He did it, what order He did it in, how long it took Him to do it, why it took Him that long, and who the eyewitness were -- in writing.

Then Jesus said the geological layers should attest to His majesty.

And finally, Paul warned us to beware of the "rudiments of the world."

So the onus is on science not to interpret the geologic layers against what God put in writing.

Except that what the Bible says and what God's creation show does not match up. This is the nub of nearly everything you bring up and why no-one takes you seriously when you make claims that God sorted all the fossils of the creatures that came off the ark several thousand years ago.

There is a disconnect between the word of the Bible and God's own creation in the world.

 

[AV1611VET]

But God's creation is will show God's thinking, and in God's thinking, we see a progression in fossil forms from basal fish and lizards towards dinosaurs, then their extinction, then the progression of mammals from lesser forms of mammals to great and varied forms, and then the appearance and evolution of humans.

Keep in mind that science "accordions out" the timeline from six thousand years to over fourteen billion years, then labels them with eons and eras and whatnot that makes evolution look viable.

It would be like taking the street you live on and stretching it out to about 20 million miles, then claiming you have no neighbors.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Keep in mind that science "accordions out" the timeline from six thousand years to over fourteen billion years, then labels them with eons and eras and whatnot that makes evolution look viable.

It would be like taking the street you live on and stretching it out to about 20 million miles, then claiming you have no neighbors.

No, it doesn't 'accordion out' time. You just refuse to agree with it.

It's not the same thing in the slightest.

 

[AV1611VET]

Avoiding the topic, plain and simple.
And if I shouldn't trust man, by that logic, then I shouldn't trust AV with his claims about God either.

Trust God.

He put everything you need to know in Writing.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Trust God.

He put everything you need to know in Writing.

Except that He didn't. Men put things down in writing. Not God.

God created the Earth and everything in it. And he made it appear several billion years old. Now he either did that because it IS several billion years old, or He did to be deceitful. I don't believe that God would do the latter.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, it doesn't 'accordion out' time.

Really?

Everyone in the past wrote of the universe being created in 13,700,000,000 BC?

You just refuse to agree with it.

Probably because I know you're wrong.

It's not the same thing in the slightest.

I think you're mixed up.

 

[AV1611VET]

Except that He didn't. Men put things down in writing. Not God.

God created the Earth and everything in it. And he made it appear several billion years old. Now he either did that because it IS several billion years old, or He did to be deceitful. I don't believe that God would do the latter.

And we're right back to Square One, aren't we?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Really?

Everyone in the past wrote of the universe being created in 13,700,000,000 BC?

Now that's just a ludicrous statement to make. Of course people didn't know back then. They didn't know that washing hands for medicinal reasons was a good thing. People didn't know a lot of things back then. They only knew what they knew and applied what they knew to the world around them.
They had no concept of a world existing for eons back then so they had no reason to conceive it.

Probably because I know you're wrong.

Knowing I'm wrong, believing I'm wrong and showing I'm wrong are three very different things.

I think you're mixed up.

I very much doubt it, but I'd love for you to show me how and why.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

And we're right back to Square One, aren't we?

Who's on first.

 

[Aaron112]

They didn't know that washing hands for medicinal reasons was a good thing.

You might find out that doing it for "medicinal reasons" is not a good thing.

 

[Aaron112]

They had no concept of a world existing for eons back then so they had no reason to conceive it.

The Creator never , ever, not even once, gave them any reason nor knowledge nor wisdom nor hint to
ever try to have that concept nor to conceive it.
The devil often does though.

 

[AV1611VET]

Now that's just a ludicrous statement to make. Of course people didn't know back then.

Then don't tell me science doesn't accordion out time and expect me to believe you.

I'm sure back then, they taught the universe was much younger than 13.7 billion years.

But somehow it's gotten to 13.7 billion years today, hasn't it?

I wonder how that happened that we went from believing it was very young, to believing it is very old.

You think maybe science had anything to do with it?

I'll take your denial with a grain of salt.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

You might find out that doing it for "medicinal reasons" is not a good thing.

You'll need to explain that because... you cannot be that uninformed.

The Creator never , ever, not even once, gave them any reason nor knowledge nor wisdom nor hint to
ever try to have that concept nor to conceive it.
The devil often does though.

Oh of course, when all else fails, just blame the Devil. That explains anything and everything.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Then don't tell me science doesn't accordion out time and expect me to believe you.

I'm sure back then, they taught the universe was much younger than 13.7 billion years.

But somehow it's gotten to 13.7 billion years today, hasn't it?

I wonder how that happened that we went from believing it was very young, to believing it is very old.

You think maybe science had anything to do with it?

I'll take your denial with a grain of salt.

You completely misunderstood, seemingly deliberately, what I said in response to what you said. There's also a difference in getting a number slightly off (13.7 to 14.5) and being WAY off (14.5 billion to 6000).

Honestly, I think you're just full of bluster and bullspit on this topic because really you have nothing new to make on this forum.

 

[AV1611VET]

You'll need to explain that because... you cannot be that uninformed.

Speaking of uninformed, maybe you should read Leviticus 14, where it talks of washing and scraping and burning for medicinal reasons.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Speaking of uninformed, maybe you should read Leviticus 14, where it talks of washing and scraping and burning for medicinal reasons.

14 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

2 This shall be the law of the leper in the day of his cleansing: He shall be brought unto the priest:

3 And the priest shall go forth out of the camp; and the priest shall look, and, behold, if the plague of leprosy be healed in the leper;

4 Then shall the priest command to take for him that is to be cleansed two birds alive and clean, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:

5 And the priest shall command that one of the birds be killed in an earthen vessel over running water:

6 As for the living bird, he shall take it, and the cedar wood, and the scarlet, and the hyssop, and shall dip them and the living bird in the blood of the bird that was killed over the running water:

7 And he shall sprinkle upon him that is to be cleansed from the leprosy seven times, and shall pronounce him clean, and shall let the living bird loose into the open field.

Nope, not even close, especially leprosy is... it's a tricky one to stop spreading without full on quarantining.