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[AV1611VET]

I do not get what you are trying to say.

Isn't that an old saying?

"Nature will find a way"?

Can nature find a way to break the laws of nature and biology? No.

Then if Nessie ever existed, she was either in her natural habitat at the time, or her egg (?) was taken there (or she was carried there as a baby), or possibly some other explanation.

Like maybe a local flood that caused her to get trapped there.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Isn't that an old saying?

"Nature will find a way"?

I mean, if you want to call the 1994 blockbuster Jurassic Park old, then... sure. But nature only finds a way with what it has. Natural and biological laws exist because they are the only things we have.

Then if Nessie ever existed, she was either in her natural habitat at the time, or her egg (?) was taken there (or she was carried there as a baby), or possibly some other explanation.

Like maybe a local flood that caused her to get trapped there.

Or Nessie isn't real because the ecosystem she's in would be incapable of sustaining a creature of such a size.

Now something like the Mokele-mbembe, that's a whole different kettle of cryptozoological fish.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Like, food is the main thing I'm getting at here.

Large animals eat massive amounts of food to keep their metabolism going so they can survive. A female African Elephant weighs about 3,000 kilos, or 3 tonnes, and to stay alive, they need to consume from 149 to 160 kilos of food DAILY to survive. Now, that's not a lot, about 6% of their body weight, but that still adds up.

Now, if we assume that Nessie would be roughly the same mass based on what we assume to be an ancient plesiosaur, which is how many people imagine her, that is 169 kilos of fish per day. And Loch Ness cannot support that amount of fish, full stop. Which is why we don't see many massive land carnivores around, and the only ones we do see are aquatic carnivores, which are many species of whale since the ocean is... well, huge.

And that also runs into the same problem with the yeti.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

But didn't they go look for Nessie?

Who's 'they'?

AIUI, Nessie investigators have been mainly enthusiastic cryptozoologists and/or people wanting publicity (personal or for tourism, etc).

A very few may have been interested in the possibility of finding unusually large freshwater fish or mammals there.

 

[AV1611VET]

Or Nessie isn't real because the ecosystem she's in would be incapable of sustaining a creature of such a size.

Perhaps she was spied before she died?

Now something like the Mokele-mbembe, that's a whole different kettle of cryptozoological fish.

Behemoth perhaps?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Perhaps she was spied before she died?

Or it was fake because she doesn't exist in an ecosystem that can't support her.

Behemoth perhaps?

Doubtful.

 

[AV1611VET]

Or it was fake because she doesn't exist in an ecosystem that can't support her.

You never watched Jaws 3, did you?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

You never watched Jaws 3, did you?

I... vaguely remember watching it. Not enough to remember details, but doing a quick skim of the synopsis on Wikipedia.. nope, not even similar to what I said.

Refer to post #43 to see why Nessie would have a hard time surviving in Loch Ness.

 

[AV1611VET]

I... vaguely remember watching it. Not enough to remember details, but doing a quick skim of the synopsis on Wikipedia.. nope, not even similar to what I said.

Refer to post #43 to see why Nessie would have a hard time surviving in Loch Ness.

In that show, they put a baby shark in the wrong tank.

Put it on display, had tourists viewing it and whatnot.

It died by suffocation before the park's marine biologist could get it out of its tank and into its natural habitat.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

In that show, they put a baby shark in the wrong tank.

Put it on display, had tourists viewing it and whatnot.

It died by suffocation before the park's marine biologist could get it out of its tank and into its natural habitat.

Yeah. As I said, not even similar to what I suggested.

Plus, great whites never do well in captivity anyway.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Then if Nessie ever existed, she was either in her natural habitat at the time, or her egg (?) was taken there (or she was carried there as a baby), or possibly some other explanation.

Like maybe a local flood that caused her to get trapped there.

Seems unlikely. From where? the local area is a bunch of freshwater lakes - of which Loch Ness is the largest, and small rivers between them.

 

[AV1611VET]

Seems unlikely.

About as unlikely as crop circles?

What I'm proposing is a theory that either some college kids are behind this.

Either by capturing one and transporting it to Loch Ness, where it would soon die, and photographing it.

Or possible a major flood in the area that "beached" one into the loch.

From where?

From wherever it was.

the local area is a bunch of freshwater lakes - of which Loch Ness is the largest, and small rivers between them.

That doesn't mean you can't put a saltwater animal in it and photograph it before it dies.

 

[Hans Blaster]

That doesn't mean you can't put a saltwater animal in it and photograph it before it dies.

And photography coincides with the period where good records of floods and storms are kept.

 

[AV1611VET]

And photography coincides with the period where good records of floods and storms are kept.

And, of course, scientists researched that angle, right?

In their quest to find Nessie, they searched through Scotland's files.

Scot: What are guys doing in our filing cabinets?
Scientists: We're looking for any records of a major flood.
Scot: Why?
Scientists: We're pursuing the theory that your monster-in-the-lake could have been trapped there.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

And, of course, scientists researched that angle, right?

In their quest to find Nessie, they searched through Scotland's files.

Scot: What are guys doing in our filing cabinets?
Scientists: We're looking for any records of a major flood.
Scot: Why?
Scientists: We're pursuing the theory that your monster-in-the-lake could have been trapped there.

Geology is the record. There was no flood that filled the lochs, Ness or otherwise.

 

[AV1611VET]

Geology is the record. There was no flood that filled the lochs, Ness or otherwise.

Re a dinosaur in a lake, photography seems to be on its side.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Re a dinosaur in a lake, photography seems to be on its side.

Except that it really doesn't look like a dinosaur. The famous photo was faked by a guy called Christian Spurling using a toy submarine and wood putty.

 

[Hans Blaster]

And, of course, scientists researched that angle, right?

In their quest to find Nessie, they searched through Scotland's files.

Scot: What are guys doing in our filing cabinets?
Scientists: We're looking for any records of a major flood.
Scot: Why?
Scientists: We're pursuing the theory that your monster-in-the-lake could have been trapped there.

No, they just needed to check the old newspapers. Any floods at Loch Ness should have been reported even as far away as in the Times of London.

Just give it up. Nessie is not possible, not since the Zygons were kicked out.

 

[AV1611VET]

Except that it really doesn't look like a dinosaur. The famous photo was faked by a guy called Christian Spurling using a toy submarine and wood putty.

Interesting.

I didn't know that.

Thanks for the info.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, they just needed to check the old newspapers. Any floods at Loch Ness should have been reported even as far away as in the Times of London.

Just give it up. Nessie is not possible, not since the Zygons were kicked out.

Well, I was basing my line of questioning on that famous picture, but now I see it was a hoax.

HOWEVER, that doesn't account for the sightings that some have reported seeing.