Republican post-mortem in Pennsylvania

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A GOP postmortem: What went so wrong in Pennsylvania?

PHILADELPHIA — The Pennsylvania GOP is trying to figure out what went so horribly wrong in 2022.

After the party’s disastrous midterm races, Republicans in the critical battleground state are conducting a postmortem, holding focus groups throughout the state and interviewing thousands of voters about everything from abortion to former President Donald Trump in hopes of getting to the bottom of their losses. As a sign of the seriousness of the effort, the state party has enlisted Public Opinion Strategies, a D.C. area-based firm, to conduct the review of the 2022 election.

Republicans also said their analysis isn’t shying away from examining how the end of Roe v. Wade affected the election. Gov.-elect Josh Shapiro, a Democrat, made a central part of his campaign his Republican opponent Doug Mastriano’s support of an abortion ban with no exceptions for rape, incest or the life of the mother. In exit polls, a plurality of voters in Pennsylvania ranked abortion as their top issue. “Clearly that issue played more of a role than most political pundits, particularly Republicans — no, let’s just rephrase that, Republican pundits — gave it weight,” said Meuser. The question, he added, is, “What’s the way you can say it without being offensive? … To me, there’s definitely a reasonable way of maintaining my pro-life position without being offensive to others.”

Other initiatives that Pennsylvania Republicans are embarking on in the wake of the 2022 midterms include establishing a vote-by-mail strategy.
After last year’s races, many Republicans in the state and nation came to the determination that their recent war against mail voting cost them. The state GOP is launching a mail-in ballot task force to look at the problem. “Most folks now on the Republican side recognize that if one party is voting for 50 days and the other party is voting for 13 hours, the party voting for 50 days is going to have a higher turnout,” said Andy Reilly, a Republican National Committee member in Pennsylvania who has also been tapped to sit on the task force. “We have to embrace it and convince the Republican voters that there’s integrity with the mail-in voting process, i.e. that their vote will count.”


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In exit polls, a plurality of voters in Pennsylvania ranked abortion as their top issue. “Clearly that issue played more of a role than most political pundits, particularly Republicans — no, let’s just rephrase that, Republican pundits — gave it weight,” said Meuser. The question, he added, is, “What’s the way you can say it without being offensive? … To me, there’s definitely a reasonable way of maintaining my pro-life position without being offensive to others.”
No. Your pro life position, if it takes the form of denying abortion in cases of rape, incest or even for saving the woman's life, is offensive to many. However you want to present it. It's the not the terminology that's the problem. If the positions that you hold are not those supported by a majority of the voters, then (this shouldn't come as too much of a surprise) they ain't gonna vote for you.
“Most folks now on the Republican side recognize that if one party is voting for 50 days and the other party is voting for 13 hours, the party voting for 50 days is going to have a higher turnout,” said Andy Reilly, a Republican National Committee member
Gee, they've only just realised that?
 
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The question, he added, is, “What’s the way you can say it without being offensive? … To me, there’s definitely a reasonable way of maintaining my pro-life position without being offensive to others.”

It's only offensive to those who embrace murder. If they vote for it, they're no christian, they never were.
 
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The question, he added, is, “What’s the way you can say it without being offensive? … To me, there’s definitely a reasonable way of maintaining my pro-life position without being offensive to others.”

It's only offensive to those who embrace murder. If they vote for it, they're no christian, they never were.
I think the point was that many people, while being personally opposed to abortion, do not consider it to be murder. And hearing it called such shoves them to the middle to vote for “reproductive freedom“.

Extremism shoots itself in the foot.
 
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I think the point was that many people, while being personally opposed to abortion, do not consider it to be murder. And hearing it called such shoves them to the middle to vote for “reproductive freedom“.

Extremism shoots itself in the foot.
They were never christian to begin with then.
 
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The question, he added, is, “What’s the way you can say it without being offensive? … To me, there’s definitely a reasonable way of maintaining my pro-life position without being offensive to others.”

It's only offensive to those who embrace murder. If they vote for it, they're no christian, they never were.
Does it appear that Republicans might be more interested in winning elections than preventing abortions?
 
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Does it appear that Republicans might be more interested in winning elections than preventing abortions?
They don't fully support banning it as few have the courage to stand for what's right and instead, tolerate evil.
 
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Did I say it would be? It's an opinion.
Looked like a statement to me.
Supporting murder of an innocent isn't christian. My belief and opinion. Yours?
My opinion is that the bible has written about it being acceptable. Old Testament mostly. But maybe you're more an NT person.
 
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Does it appear that Republicans might be more interested in winning elections than preventing abortions?
I'm an old fashioned type of guy. I think that one should explain one's proposed policies to the voters in some detail and then they decide if they want you representing them.
 
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No. Your pro life position, if it takes the form of denying abortion in cases of rape, incest or even for saving the woman's life, is offensive to many. However you want to present it. It's the not the terminology that's the problem. If the positions that you hold are not those supported by a majority of the voters, then (this shouldn't come as too much of a surprise) they ain't gonna vote for you.
It seems they only think about "lefties" being offended and don't really consider that people actually don't WANT rights taken away from them.
 
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Did I say it would be? It's an opinion. Supporting murder of an innocent isn't christian. My belief and opinion. Yours? Probably isn't such.
Yes, now it is the role to have opinions about who else is a Christian.

Some of us have a different understanding of the role of Christians.
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“Most folks now on the Republican side recognize that if one party is voting for 50 days and the other party is voting for 13 hours, the party voting for 50 days is going to have a higher turnout,”

Duh
 
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And they have reached the conclusion:
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Trying to say it was an abortion thing, at least for the governor race, seems to miss larger points. First, Mastriano was an explicit election denier, and as we saw in the last election, things didn't tend to go very well for people who espoused that. Also, if this article is accurate, Mastriano just, independent of his stances, had a terrible campaign:

Most relevant excerpt (more in article):

Trump was not alone in wanting Mastriano to represent the Republicans in the Pennsylvania gubernatorial race; Mastriano's eventual opponent, Josh Shapiro, spent hundreds of thousands of dollars boosting him in the Republican primary. That proved to be a wise investment, as Mastriano seemed almost determined to lose after securing the party nomination.

Mastriano hadn't run a single campaign ad through the end of September. He made almost no efforts to fundraise. By the end of the third reporting cycle, he had less than $400,000 on hand. As a matter of policy, he did not engage with what he deemed "mainstream media," including local Pennsylvania outlets that could have boosted his profile among independents.

That sounds courageous, but it is not. The press is liberal, and you have to play ball. Kari Lake has done that successfully. Mastriano did not.


(granted, Kari Lake lost so perhaps she is not the best person to point to--this was written very soon after the election when the outcome of Kari Lake's Arizona election was unknown--but note that Kari Lake didn't lose by anywhere near as much as Mastriano did. Nor, for that matter, did Oz, who lost the Senate race, but it was closer than in the Governor race)

I'll admit I haven't done a "deep dive" on the issue, but it looks to me like abortion at most made his loss worse than it already was.

Incidentally, that article also notes that the governor race was another instance of the "Democrats spend money on the Republican primary pushing forward the fringe candidates, then proceed to crush them in the general election" strategy that worked incredibly well. I'm not sure what the best strategy for the republican Party to beat that; they could intervene in the primaries themselves to support the less fringe candidate, but direct intervention like that can be unpopular.
 
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Incidentally, that article also notes that the governor race was another instance of the "Democrats spend money on the Republican primary pushing forward the fringe candidates, then proceed to crush them in the general election" strategy that worked incredibly well.
Is that actually a thing? I found it hard to believe the first time I heard it. Not the that I think it's wrong, but it's new on me.
 
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Is that actually a thing? I found it hard to believe the first time I heard it. Not the that I think it's wrong, but it's new on me.
It is a thing, and not a new one. Both parties have played with the others primaries trying to get an outcome they think is in their interests.
 
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