Modern day systemic racism, does it exist?

[RDKirk]

I think that can be traced back to the single-parent issue but it was a setup from the beginning IMO.

As I said before, black people had always prized education--even during slavery. That's why we had luminaries like Benjamin Banneker all the way up to revolutionaries like Dr. Angela Davis.

The concept that education is a "white" thing that should be rejected is very new...recent since the Civil Rights Era. I'd agree that it is coincident with the spike in black unwed mothers (which is more precisely the problem than "single-parent")...and I'd argue that problem, as well, is not a function of racism but a dysfunction that has erupted within the ADOS culture since the Civil Rights era.

We can, yes, trace the roots of both these problems to the way Anglo culture was abominably instituted into the African kidnapped from Africa and stripped of their native functional cultures, but the resolution of that problem is not in whining about "systemic racism" that is not the real problem.

The real problem is within us. We have to change our culture.

 

[rjs330]

Nope, they are just perpetuating and denying a racist system. You seem to like it.

Please tell us the racist system that is keeping black kids from being able to read?

 

[rjs330]

You are not reading what I am saying. It is an effect from the past 500 years.

I hear you. I still don't know what is happening today that is preventing black kids from learning to read. What happened 500 years ago is over. Long over. Black kids attend school now and have for a long time. The schools teach them to read or are supposed to.

Is it schools are not teachers ng them properly? Is it parents telling them they don't need to learn how to read?

What is it?

 

[Ken-1122]

Most in the south were.

But not all.

 

[rturner76]

We can, yes, trace the roots of both these problems to the way Anglo culture was abominably instituted into the African kidnapped from Africa and stripped of their native functional cultures, but the resolution of that problem is not in whining about "systemic racism" that is not the real problem.

The real problem is within us. We have to change our culture

Even though I think it's a problem that has been handed down, it is up to the black population to overcome it.

 

[rturner76]

I hear you. I still don't know what is happening today that is preventing black kids from learning to read. What happened 500 years ago is over. Long over. Black kids attend school now and have for a long time. The schools teach them to read or are supposed to.

Is it schools are not teachers ng them properly? Is it parents telling them they don't need to learn how to read?

What is it?

It's undereducated people having undereducated children. Inner city schools in slums are often inadequate for the challenges that students face.

 

[rturner76]

But not all.

Understood

 

[RDKirk]

Even though I think it's a problem that has been handed down, it is up to the black population to overcome it.

These are new problems since the 80s. These are problems generated within ADOS, so yes, it's up to the black population to overcome it, and that won't happen while pointing to "systemic racism."

We have to do the same thing the Black Muslims (NOI) began preaching 100 years ago. Look within ourselves and remove our own dysfunctions.

 

[Ken-1122]

I hear you. I still don't know what is happening today that is preventing black kids from learning to read. What happened 500 years ago is over. Long over. Black kids attend school now and have for a long time. The schools teach them to read or are supposed to.

Is it schools are not teachers ng them properly? Is it parents telling them they don't need to learn how to read?

What is it?

'Acting White' Remains a Barrier for Black Education

Blaming the issue on society is like telling someone on a rainy day not to use an umbrella, but to support efforts to eliminate weather.

reason.com

 

[essentialsaltes]

Justice Dept. wins $31 million redlining settlement with L.A. bank​

City National Bank was accused of discriminating against Black and Hispanic residents by avoiding mortgage-lending services in some neighborhoods​

The Justice Department announced a $31 million settlement on Thursday with a Los Angeles-based bank over charges that it discriminated against Black and Hispanic residents by avoiding mortgage-lending services in specific neighborhoods, the largest-ever financial award in a redlining case, officials said.

Justice officials touted the agreement as a victory for the department’s efforts to target redlining, an initiative that has secured more than $75 million from private lending institutions since its launch in October 2021. Among that total is a $20 million federal settlement with Trident Mortgage in Pennsylvania in July and a $13 million settlement with Lakeland Bank in New Jersey in September.

 

[rjs330]

Justice Dept. wins $31 million redlining settlement with L.A. bank​

City National Bank was accused of discriminating against Black and Hispanic residents by avoiding mortgage-lending services in some neighborhoods​

The Justice Department announced a $31 million settlement on Thursday with a Los Angeles-based bank over charges that it discriminated against Black and Hispanic residents by avoiding mortgage-lending services in specific neighborhoods, the largest-ever financial award in a redlining case, officials said.

Justice officials touted the agreement as a victory for the department’s efforts to target redlining, an initiative that has secured more than $75 million from private lending institutions since its launch in October 2021. Among that total is a $20 million federal settlement with Trident Mortgage in Pennsylvania in July and a $13 million settlement with Lakeland Bank in New Jersey in September.

That's good right? It's against the law to red line. Anyone caught refusing loans to people.based upon their skin color and not their ability to pay should be punished.

There are over 20,000 mortgage brokers in the US and thousands of lenders.

Not sure what your post is saying? That some companies have broken the law?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Not sure what your post is saying?

In answer to the question posed in the OP, Modern day systemic racism exists​

 

[RDKirk]

In answer to the question posed in the OP, Modern day systemic racism exists​

And, clearly, the solution to it also exists. As I've said a couple of times before, "The fix is in."

 

[rjs330]

In answer to the question posed in the OP, Modern day systemic racism exists​

Is it systemic? Or perhaps it's a couple of places that went rogue against the system.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Is it systemic? Or perhaps it's a couple of places that went rogue against the system.

Systemic racism is to be contrasted with personal prejudice (racism).

Institutional racism, also known as systemic racism, is a form of racism that is embedded in the laws and regulations of a society or an organization.

A bank is an organization. A bank is an institution.

 

[rjs330]

Systemic racism is to be contrasted with personal prejudice (racism).

Institutional racism, also known as systemic racism, is a form of racism that is embedded in the laws and regulations of a society or an organization.

A bank is an organization. A bank is an institution.

It is organizational. It has nothing to do with society. The system of mortgage loans has no systemic racism. We have couple of organizations within the system that redlined. Or did they? I'd like to know if they were refusing to loan to blacks and Hispanics based on skin color.

Im afraid the articles were not clear enough.

I'm not convinced this was systemic. Could people go to another mortgage company? I'm sure they could. I don't feel that a couple of businesses screwing up is indicative of an entire system. It's more of an individual thing.

 

[Pommer]

It is organizational. It has nothing to do with society. The system of mortgage loans has no systemic racism. We have couple of organizations within the system that redlined. Or did they? I'd like to know if they were refusing to loan to blacks and Hispanics based on skin color.

Im afraid the articles were not clear enough.

I'm not convinced this was systemic. Could people go to another mortgage company? I'm sure they could. I don't feel that a couple of businesses screwing up is indicative of an entire system. It's more of an individual thing.

It seems odd then, that this financial institution didn’t fight the fine.

 

[rambot]

I cannot believe how naive this is...

'Prosecutors are more likely to charge people of color with crimes that carry heavier sentences than whites. Federal prosecutors, for example, are twice as likely to charge African Americans with offenses that carry a mandatory minimum sentence than similarly situated whites.

Drug-free school zone laws mandate sentencing enhancements for people caught selling drugs in designated school zones. The expansive geographic range of these zones coupled with high urban density has disproportionately affected residents of urban areas, and particularly those in high-poverty areas – who are largely people of color.40 Legislators in New Jersey scaled back their state law after a study found that 96% of persons subject to these enhancements were African American or Latino.

Nationwide surveys also reveal disparities in the outcomes of police stops. Once pulled over, black and Hispanic drivers were three times as likely as whites to be searched (6% and 7% versus 2%) and blacks were twice as likely as whites to be arrested.23 These patterns hold even though police officers generally have a lower “contraband hit rate” when they search black versus white drivers.

...the ACLU found that blacks were 3.7 times more likely to be arrested for marijuana possession than whites in 2010, even though their rate of marijuana usage was comparable. Report to the United Nations on Racial Disparities in the U.S. Criminal Justice System – The Sentencing Project

Plus...

'Black men who commit the same crimes as white men receive federal prison sentences that are, on average, nearly 20 percent longer, according to a new report on sentencing disparities from the United States Sentencing Commission (USSC).

These disparities were observed “after controlling for a wide variety of sentencing factors,” including age, education, citizenship, weapon possession and prior criminal history.' https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...act-same-crime-as-a-white-person-study-finds/

Your little imaginary scenario is what should be happening. The vast amount of information available that shows you what's actually happening must take a great deal of effort to ignore. Yet ignore it you do.

You have to understand the usefulness in using hypotheticals that don't reflect reality to argue with reality.


Just saw this move from desantis
DeSantis Blocks AP African-American Studies Course for Breaking Florida’s Anti-CRT Law

 

[rambot]

Of course racism does. That's the whole idea behind it.

But thats not the claim you and others have made. You claimed that unequal outcomes proves systemic racism.

They don't. And you know it.

Incorrect.

If there is a crime perpetuated in equal measure by different groups but one group is substantially charged substantially more often, by that crime, that should be seen as a problem.

 

[rambot]

Army officer pepper-sprayed by police gets $3,685 in $1 million lawsuit

A Black soldier in uniform who was pepper-sprayed in his car by Virginia police officers during a traffic stop has been awarded less than $4,000 in a million-dollar lawsuit against the two officers.
The jury awarded 2nd Lt. Caron Nazario a total of $3,685 in the lawsuit against Windsor, Virginia, police officers Joe Gutierrez and Daniel Crocker.

The officers faced four counts: assault, battery, false imprisonment and illegal search.....
Gutierrez was ordered to pay $2,685 in damages, no malice, under liability for assault. He was cleared of all other charges.

Crocker was liable for an illegal search, no malice. He was ordered to pay $1,000 in damages. He was cleared of all other charges...

Police said they pulled him over for not having a visible rear license plate, but in the footage, a temporary license plate can be seen in the rear window of Nazario's then-new SUV. Nazario was not charged in the incident.

Gutierrez was fired by the Windsor Police Department in 2021 for not following department policy during the incident.

That's great he was fired by the police. Too bad the courts don't feel that EVEN COPS WHO DONT PERFORM IN THE LINE OF DUTY WITH INTEGRITY, need not be consequenced.


I've seen teachers get worse consequences when the confiscated a kid's cell phone.

Ridiculous.