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So...Biden Also Took Private Documents

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They found classified material that Joe illegally kept, Joe had not notified NARA or anyone else of the existence of the classified documents until his lawyers did just before the election. This contrasts to Trump whose lawyers were negotiating with NARA over the documents. Joe has refused to comment, he needs to be compelled to provide the locations of where he kept classified material and provide a list of classified documents. Meanwhile Joe needs to order the Penn building to be locked down while a search is conducted for more classified material. At this point foreign entities could very well be going through the building.

No, "they" didn't (not sure who this "they" is). And Former Pres. Trump did not notify NARA or anyone else of the existence of the classified documents until after NARA had asked for documents back. NARA realized that they were missing various documents and so went to the DoJ to get the documents back. The DoJ and NARA worked with Trump's attorneys and some records were returned. Trump allegedly told his attorneys that it was all the documents he had, and the attorneys informed (under oath) the DoJ that all documents had been returned. The issue was, some of the documents NARA had been looking for were not in the boxes, so NARA was aware that all the documents had not been returned. Additionally, an informant told the FBI that there were still documents marked classified at Mar-A-Lago. It was at this point, after negotiations had ended but NARA and the FBI knew there were still documents, including allegedly Classified documents, that they went to a Judge and got a search warrant. Also note the search was limited to Mar-A-Lago, where they had reason (due to the informant) to believe there were more documents -- it did not include any other Trump properties or storage lockers. Nor, since the documents were found in the storage locker after the Mar-A-Lago search, have their been any further searches (or "raids") of that or other storage areas.

As has been pointed out, the documents were found in boxes in a locked closet in Biden's office. There is no reason to believe any documents were taken out of the office, much less that any were taken out of the closet. Since they are closing the office, there is no reason for a "search"; the office is already being "searched" as they inventory what was in the office and move it to a new location. Yes, Biden should have a search of all other boxes he took from the White House, wherever they are located, to ensure that no further documents belonging to the government are in boxes removed from his office in 2017 (when his term as VP ended). At the same time, there is no reasonable cause to get a search warrant, just as there wasn't after the classified documents were found in the storage locker.
 
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I'm for a full investigation into why those records were in Biden's boxes. I think an argument can be made, as was attempted in the Trump case, to claim that the box was packed by a staffer when Biden left office and accidentally included the classified papers. There is no evidence, prior to the move, that Joe had gone in the box and looked at documents -- if he had, it is unlikely that the classified documents would be next to papers concerning Beau's funeral arrangements. Then do whatever is right based on the results of the investigation -- at a minimum, improving Classified records handling at the White House, which appears to have been horrible under both the Obama and Trump administrations and is likely to still be bad under Biden.
I don't expect any investigation and I'm not sure I want one. Biden may not be mentally fit enough to worry about...and recovering documents would be a good idea once his term ends. I don't see the point of holding him responsible for what has become the norm.


And we had whistleblowers, just before Trump took office,
Example?


that the FBI was just basically propping up Republican Party narratives
Comey did his job. He didn't say what he found, he said he found things that were in her possession against the rules. He didn't recommend charges...because he knows that he has some, and so does everyone else.

Comey did maybe the only thing he could....give the appearance of accountability and move on.

That's far from what is happening now.



(when all the leaks about the investigations into Hillary, ending with the announcement of the investigation by the FBI Director,
Yeah. I heard they found out Russian agents were telling lies on Facebook. Dirty stuff. I prefer corruption that's out in the open....like large campaign donations from Saudis.

What are you talking about?


which evidence shows affected -- if not ended -- Hillary's campaign.

There's been a lot of explanations for Hillary's loss. I'm gonna offer one you might not have heard. But first...here's some you probably heard...
1. White supremacists.
2. The "forgotten worker/man" or silent majority.
3. Russian agents spreading social media rumors.
4. Comey's investigation.

Sound familiar? Here's an explanation you didn't hear...

The Democratic Party dropped the ball. They wildly overestimated the chances of winning (just like the last midterm Republicans), ignored "flyover country", and failed to realize that the overhype meant Democratic Party voters stayed home or voted for 3rd party candidates, minority voters expected to come out for Hillary didn't in the numbers they did for Obama and they didn't realize that it was because she isn't a minority.

The solution to this was, ultimately decided, on a single party narrative on endless loop...for the next 4 years....centered on fear. Vote Democrat or the nation will end...maybe the world. Do your duty, save the nation.
It worked so well...Biden made the fewest appearances of any presidential nominee and won. I think any nominee could have but they played it safe.

The evidence strongly suggests that the truth is in the middle, that there are agents on both sides trying to manipulate things for political reasons -- which should not be happening.
I wish that was how I saw it.

The federal government doesn't succeed on efficiency and competence. It succeeds on redundancy. Imagine layers and layers of bureaucracy doing variations of similar things. For example, we've caught record numbers of suspected terrorists crossing the border recently, but those who get past the Border Patrol (and we can be sure that they have) still have multiple agencies to contend with from the NSA, HSI, FBI, and many others. Even the IRS can end up picking one of them up if they catch him failing to report taxes correctly and then another agency will scoop him up on the terrorism stuff.

That's how it works. Even if many people are failing as long as one succeeds it stays together.

That's the problem of these agencies being directed towards party interests. If the FBI is looking for white supremacists and when they attend the meeting of white supremacist terrorists there's more undercover agents there than actual white supremacists....it's not because white supremacists were a big threat. It's because they are servicing a narrative. As these agencies are set to doing anything other than what they should do...that layer of redundancy disappears. Once multiple layers disappear....we're going to have big problems.

We have a lot of whistleblowers quietly going to Congress and saying "I don't know why we are doing this and I'm pretty certain we shouldn't". I'd suggest that is the early signs of redundancy disappearing.




As for the FBI director, it has been a Republican for years, with the current director appointed by Pres. Trump.
Uh huh...and? He's playing ball. He's taking orders from the DOJ. Why would they remove him?

Do you think he would prefer to lose his job and career? Do you think he hasn't collected some dirt on some key players? Do you think he doesn't have classified information somewhere?

Why do you think that the FBI sat on the Hunter laptop without investigation for over a year? He knows who butters his bread.

I'm sure you won't believe Comey was a Republican but he was, including having worked as the Assistant Attorney General under Pres. Bush and AG Ashcroft.
Again...I'm not sure what you are suggesting. Comey didn't say anything about what Hillary had or what he found....he said the investigation is ongoing...and when it was over, he didn't recommend charges. Now the FBI tells the news they found nuclear capabilities intel....and you would only need to know the reporter to figure out who to squeeze. It's beyond reckless.
 
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IF he did for hmm some its ok no problem. ALL that have ever done it.. was not the same as the..ooh orange man. No no no one is like the orange man. haha just playing. Yet its true. Far as I can search looked into nothing from any of them was used to ever hurt this nation.

Then the fact it can take years for them to return. Then its hundreds maybe thousands of documents. Go for be past president and go through all that with everything else you do.

I know what Washington says about what can a past president take not take and much of that is "we don't know". Its everyone else telling us what they can "really" take. Its all in who you want to listen to. You listen to the ones that don't sit on the left or right. They are out there paise God and its not ever personal. I LIKE that
 
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I thought your point was about the speed of cooperation.

What was your point?

It's not "length of time I was referring to"...it's the immediacy of the response from government agencies.
There was no response from Nara regarding these documents....apparently, they had no idea they were missing.


We do? I've heard about something in regards to Hunter but not as a matter of systemic problem on all fronts.
We've had multiple agents come forward, with accusations regarding multiple issues.


Get the UN in. They should be coming in to help with your elections anyways.
We are the UN last time I checked. That's awhile ago though...

If you want to look up where the majority of UN funding comes from...be my guest.
 
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I don't really trust lawyers on Biden’s payroll anymore than I trust lawyers on Trump's payroll.

In Trump's case, this seemed obvious to everyone....now suddenly lawyers turning over documents isn't a problem at all.
Do you think any of BIden's lawyers are like Sydney Powell or
Rudy Giuliani
 
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I'm for a full investigation into why those records were in Biden's boxes. I think an argument can be made, as was attempted in the Trump case, to claim that the box was packed by a staffer when Biden left office and accidentally included the classified papers. There is no evidence, prior to the move, that Joe had gone in the box and looked at documents -- if he had, it is unlikely that the classified documents would be next to papers concerning Beau's funeral arrangements. Then do whatever is right based on the results of the investigation -- at a minimum, improving Classified records handling at the White House, which appears to have been horrible under both the Obama and Trump administrations and is likely to still be bad under Biden.


And we had whistleblowers, just before Trump took office, that the FBI was just basically propping up Republican Party narratives (when all the leaks about the investigations into Hillary, ending with the announcement of the investigation by the FBI Director, which evidence shows affected -- if not ended -- Hillary's campaign. The evidence strongly suggests that the truth is in the middle, that there are agents on both sides trying to manipulate things for political reasons -- which should not be happening.

As for the FBI director, it has been a Republican for years, with the current director appointed by Pres. Trump. I'm sure you won't believe Comey was a Republican but he was, including having worked as the Assistant Attorney General under Pres. Bush and AG Ashcroft.

I mean seriously....think about what you're telling me. The FBI director is a Republican appointed by Trump. He got the Hunter laptop a year before the election. Even if he worked like crazy....investigating as Trump asked....does he know if the contents will change the outcome of the election?


No....he doesn't.

Does he know if Joe wins a lot of Trump appointees will be gone with extreme speed? Yes, yes he does.


So what's the move? Every time Trump asks for an update....just tell him you're still investigating. Run out the clock. If Trump wins...hand him enough to bury or manipulate some opponents and tell him there's more coming. Biden wins....just sit quietly and wait until he's done replacing everyone else.
 
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Because I read the OP article instead of making "blah blah blah" noises, I know that they were in a locked closet.

I don't know what you think that means...

To me, it means someone gave them a key.
 
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Can't say about lawyers myself, not knowing enough of them. Just two I knew studied law and got their degrees, but did not practice law, because they said it is too hard, if even possible, to be honest and practice law.

However, I've met and known a few health care givers who were very good and very expensive, who routinely healed their patients, and family and friends of course, naturally, and had the option perhaps, to treat some pro bono, for free, if they wanted to.
One of the top medical professionals in the country (top 100 neurological doctors) is also one of the worst medical professionals I've ever seen.

These are lawyers for the president. They don't get paid for building a case against him.
 
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Totally expected.

We went to the 2nd most prestigious neurological hospital in the country. We were told we were seeing the 3rd best guy they had....this was after 2 years of specialists. We traveled pretty far for this appointment.

His assistant asked a couple of basic questions and walked off. He showed up maybe 10 minutes later, no examination, no tests, gave her a couple of guesses at the cause....walked out. We were so confused we were still sitting there for 15 minutes before his assistant told us the appointment was over. He recommended no treatment, no other doctors, no tests....nothing.

My wife cried the entire way home.

I understand that everyone has bad days...not everyone is in the right job, even if they're good at it. What he implied though, was despite a great deal of effort to find help....my wife was lying...and he wouldn't help us. He somehow reached that conclusion in under 10 minutes.

I wish I could have a chat with him sometime....ask him what he was thinking....explain why he was wrong.
 
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Didn't Trump's lawyers cooperate and turn over boxes of documents?

Obviously you didn't trust them...they're lawyers. They are paid to protect Trump's interests.

Now Biden’s lawyers turn over documents....less than 12....and that's it! Nothing to see here!
To answer the only meaningful thing written, which is your question. Well no, Trump's lawyers did not turn over all the documents. It's why those lawyers now had to get lawyers.
 
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To answer the only thing meaningful here which is your question, well no, Trump's lawyers did not turn over all the documents.
Well they were turning over documents....and there's two different claims.

Biden Admin- they refused to turn over documents.

Trumps lawyers- we had turned over what we had, and had been complying.

I don't really care which one of those is true....because the only way we even know about it was because of the raid.

You can believe that the VP just took a few highly classified docs to his office at the university if you want....I'm sure his lawyers would gladly tell you otherwise if that wasn't true lol.
 
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Whoa, first Joe was vice president, and did not have the authority the president has to declassify. In this case Joe's attorneys have admitted the documents Joe kept were classified, some at the Top Secret level. In Trump's case Trump says he declassified the documents. In Joe's situation we have no idea how many national security documents he originally had, so we don't know what is missing and might bes in the hands of foreign powers. Remember Hillary had documents so sensitive that those working for or with the United States could have been killed had the documents fallen into the wrong hands. We know that Joe lied when he said he had no knowledge of Hunter's business dealings, Hunter is recorded as saying money went to Joe. The Bidens have received millions from the Chinese, were the documents part of the deal? Why has the Penn building not been shut down and secured so that a search for more documents can take place? Why won't Joe answer questions about the documents? Your charges that Trump "fought tooth and nail to obstruct and investigation" are ridiculous, lawyers negotiated back and forth for months and Trump fully cooperated in giving the federal government access to the documents they were interested in. Don't you think that if Joe is so reckless with national security he should be disqualified from running for president?
I do not know how to connect anything written here to what I actually said. But I will tell you this again. It may be better if you actually sought validity to your statements before just making them. As exampled by your claim Trump declassified the documents. He did not. The DOJ and the special master flushed that false claim out, and nor was it an argument any of Trump's lawyers argued in court. You know why? Ask Rudy and that gang of Trump clown car lawyers who have been sanctioned and lost their license to practice for making false claims in court.
 
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Well they were turning over documents....and there's two different claims.

Biden Admin- they refused to turn over documents.

Trumps lawyers- we had turned over what we had, and had been complying.

I don't really care which one of those is true....because the only way we even know about it was because of the raid.

You can believe that the VP just took a few highly classified docs to his office at the university if you want....I'm sure his lawyers would gladly tell you otherwise if that wasn't true lol.
Trump's lawyers signed a written declaration that all the documents were turned over. That was false as more were found on two separate occasions after the lawyers claims. The raid resulted from Trump's penchant to chose to do the wrong thing without hesitation. What you care about is on you. What you chose to believe is on you. But there is a chasm of difference between these two episodes.
 
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I'm not going to sit here and tell you Trump was a good president. I'm not going to say he hasn't committed any crimes or wasn't corrupt. If I had to list everything that he did that I agreed with...I could do it on 1 hand and have fingers left over.

But you're missing the big picture. It's not that he was egregiously bad...they all are. They didn't want him there because he didn't play ball...and if you sit in that chair for a month you'll start seeing it everywhere. They don't want him to even campaign....because he might talk about the rampant corruption. They need to keep the threat of an investigation hanging over him....indefinitely. It's not like you want him actually testifying.

Maybe at some point in the future he'll be easily bought off or...just croak. I'd be genuinely surprised if they ever charge him. He's the first outsider in my lifetime....but it became a serious problem very quickly. He was threatened with charges on day 1. They have too much to hide.
I am not sure who the "they" is as in they didn't want him because he might talk about corruption. I am going to summarize here, but "people' didn't want him president because of the exact reasons Trump enacted to prove why he shouldn't be president.
 
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I don't expect any investigation and I'm not sure I want one. Biden may not be mentally fit enough to worry about...and recovering documents would be a good idea once his term ends. I don't see the point of holding him responsible for what has become the norm.



Example?

I gave the example, which you chopped off and stuck into the next section. There were multiple FBI agents that allegedly went to the press to state they were investigating Hillary Clinton, in violation of FBI rules. It was this reason, allegedly, that Comey broke DoJ rules to say that Hillary was under investigation about a month before the election.

Comey did his job. He didn't say what he found, he said he found things that were in her possession against the rules. He didn't recommend charges...because he knows that he has some, and so does everyone else.

Comey did maybe the only thing he could....give the appearance of accountability and move on.

That's far from what is happening now.

No, again, Comey broke DoJ rules by announcing an investigation into a political candidate within a couple of months in an election -- this led to him later cause him to announce the investigation was over and no charges would be filed.

Yeah. I heard they found out Russian agents were telling lies on Facebook. Dirty stuff. I prefer corruption that's out in the open....like large campaign donations from Saudis.

What are you talking about?




There's been a lot of explanations for Hillary's loss. I'm gonna offer one you might not have heard. But first...here's some you probably heard...
1. White supremacists.
2. The "forgotten worker/man" or silent majority.
3. Russian agents spreading social media rumors.
4. Comey's investigation.

Sound familiar? Here's an explanation you didn't hear...

The Democratic Party dropped the ball. They wildly overestimated the chances of winning (just like the last midterm Republicans), ignored "flyover country", and failed to realize that the overhype meant Democratic Party voters stayed home or voted for 3rd party candidates, minority voters expected to come out for Hillary didn't in the numbers they did for Obama and they didn't realize that it was because she isn't a minority.

If you look at polling before the announcements and after, basically all the polls showed at least a 5% drop in the polls for Clinton with many telling the pollsters that Comey's announcements had changed their votes. If FBI agents had not leaked to the media and Comey not confirmed those leaks, chances are that Hillary would have been President.

I'm not claiming that the Clinton campaign and Democrats didn't make their share of mistakes, merely that the announcement of the FBI investigation caused a marked drop in the polls that Hillary never appeared to recover from.
The solution to this was, ultimately decided, on a single party narrative on endless loop...for the next 4 years....centered on fear. Vote Democrat or the nation will end...maybe the world. Do your duty, save the nation.
It worked so well...Biden made the fewest appearances of any presidential nominee and won. I think any nominee could have but they played it safe.


I wish that was how I saw it.

The federal government doesn't succeed on efficiency and competence. It succeeds on redundancy. Imagine layers and layers of bureaucracy doing variations of similar things. For example, we've caught record numbers of suspected terrorists crossing the border recently, but those who get past the Border Patrol (and we can be sure that they have) still have multiple agencies to contend with from the NSA, HSI, FBI, and many others. Even the IRS can end up picking one of them up if they catch him failing to report taxes correctly and then another agency will scoop him up on the terrorism stuff.

That's how it works. Even if many people are failing as long as one succeeds it stays together.

That's the problem of these agencies being directed towards party interests. If the FBI is looking for white supremacists and when they attend the meeting of white supremacist terrorists there's more undercover agents there than actual white supremacists....it's not because white supremacists were a big threat. It's because they are servicing a narrative. As these agencies are set to doing anything other than what they should do...that layer of redundancy disappears. Once multiple layers disappear....we're going to have big problems.

We have a lot of whistleblowers quietly going to Congress and saying "I don't know why we are doing this and I'm pretty certain we shouldn't". I'd suggest that is the early signs of redundancy disappearing.





Uh huh...and? He's playing ball. He's taking orders from the DOJ. Why would they remove him?

Do you think he would prefer to lose his job and career? Do you think he hasn't collected some dirt on some key players? Do you think he doesn't have classified information somewhere?

I he was corrupt, why did Trump appoint him? I guess you are claiming Comey was less corrupt than Wray; which then begs the question, why did Trump fire Comey and hire Wray? Also, you do know that the FBI director is not a political position, per se. Instead, new President's don't replace the Director of the FBI (as Biden hasn't), rather they are appointed for a 10 year term -- this was intentionally done to prevent the FBI from being a political position. This is why Trump firing Comey, particularly for what appeared to be political reasons, was such a big deal.
Why do you think that the FBI sat on the Hunter laptop without investigation for over a year? He knows who butters his bread.

You have evidence that the FBI "sat on the Hunter laptop?" And you do realize that year that the FBI "sat on the Hunter laptop" that Trump was in the White House and the DoJ was controlled by AG Barr -- so why would Barr be sitting on Hunter's laptop when he planned to leave with Trump (and actually left about a month before)?

As I've pointed out elsewhere, the true answer appears to be that there actually is little actual "evidence" on Hunter's laptop that could be used in court for a prosecution. If you recall, the Wall Street Journal and Fox News -- two media organizations that are strongly Republican and were opposed to Biden -- refused to run the story of Hunter's laptop. They specifically said, even after talking to Tony Bobulinski and the documents he had, that the evidence did not support running the story. Even Tucker Carlson, who interviewed Carlson and was going to have a huge "exposé" after reviewing Bobulinski's documents, but then the episode he was going to expose Hunter and Joe's connection to Hunter's business, Carlson instead talked about how he'd picked on Hunter enough, and did something different that night, instead.

Now maybe you know something more than I do but I've seen nothing from the laptop, nor any actual reporting of what is on the laptop (as opposed to political commentary where claims are made but no evidence is provided) that ties Joe Biden to the laptop.
Again...I'm not sure what you are suggesting. Comey didn't say anything about what Hillary had or what he found....he said the investigation is ongoing...and when it was over, he didn't recommend charges. Now the FBI tells the news they found nuclear capabilities intel....and you would only need to know the reporter to figure out who to squeeze. It's beyond reckless.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say. I'm saying politics is killing the country -- that both parties are out to promote themselves rather than do what is best for the country.

As for Comey, again, he broke rules by commenting on the ongoing investigation of a political candidate just prior to an election (I believe the rule states 3 months prior to the election). Additionally, the Classified information on Hillary's server was, from what I've seen, information sent to her by State Department officials as part of her job and most were not properly marked that they were classified. It wasn't anything she "removed" from the State Department. Her "crime," if you will, was having a private server rather than using the State Department server for email -- though, to be fair, her predecessor had done it as well (both Rice and Powell); so perhaps a good thing is that Secretaries of State are no longer using private servers. Additionally, Hillary was not keeping the emails after she stepped down as Secretary; in fact, my recollection is that the plan was in place (prior to the investigation) to archive the emails (information) on the server before destroying them with the single copy of the archive going to the State Department to satisfy their records laws.

In the other case, I assume you are referring to the FBI's seeking a search warrant for records from Mar-A-Lago. The Search Warrant went before a judge, as the law requires, and needed to convince the judge to issue the search warrant. I believe the "nuclear capabilities" was added to the search warrant because that is one type of Classified document that the President cannot declassify -- the Nuclear Secrets are classified by law and the classifications controlled by Congress, unlike most other Classified information is controlled by the Executive Branch and that can be declassified by the President. That these documents were added because they were something Trump couldn't claim he had "declassified" before he took them to Mar-A-Lago. Last, the only reason "nuclear capabilities" was publicized, in this case, is that Pres. Trump wanted the Search Warrant released to the public.
 
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Time for a good impeachment hearing.
This should happen with the opening of every Congress, elect the Speaker, set the “rules”, (which is what the Laws that govern how the Houses of Congress run, are), and impeach the President (even if the majority’s guy is in the While House!)
C-Span will carry it like a history professor’s 4am interview.

This era of “politics as entertainment”, has about run its course.
Enjoy the finale!
 
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I gave the example, which you chopped off and stuck into the next section. There were multiple FBI agents that allegedly went to the press to state they were investigating Hillary Clinton, in violation of FBI rules. It was this reason, allegedly, that Comey broke DoJ rules to say that Hillary was under investigation about a month before the election.
I hadn't heard that multiple agents came forward. Do you have a source for that?

No, again, Comey broke DoJ rules by announcing an investigation into a political candidate within a couple of months in an election -- this led to him later cause him to announce the investigation was over and no charges would be filed.
Well I think he would have announced that the investigation was over anyway.

It was my understanding that the press had been saying her investigation was already over. Then either more evidence was acquired or Comey felt obligated to correct them.

I sincerely hadn't heard that agents were coming forward. I'd like to see a source for that.



If you look at polling before the announcements and after, basically all the polls showed at least a 5% drop in the polls for Clinton with many telling the pollsters that Comey's announcements had changed their votes. If FBI agents had not leaked to the media and Comey not confirmed those leaks, chances are that Hillary would have been President.
Polls predicted a Hillary win by a landslide. The reason polling has been wildly off since 2016 is this sort of hyperpartisan smear of the right. If someone knows they are going to be called a Nazi or white supremacist for voting for 1 of 2 candidates....well, they're either not going to answer polls or just lie.

Same thing happened in the last two midterms I think.


I'm not claiming that the Clinton campaign and Democrats didn't make their share of mistakes, merely that the announcement of the FBI investigation caused a marked drop in the polls that Hillary never appeared to recover from.
Polls still had her winning. Look if you can't vote for someone without being painted as the death of democracy (this goes for both sides) your polls will always be badly off.


I he was corrupt, why did Trump appoint him?
Corrupt?

I didn't say that was corrupt. He probably was investigating. He was smart enough not to reveal any details to Trump or the press. That's why he's still sitting there. He's smart, not corrupt.

Now...you could say that by not revealing details of the investigation he's corrupt now...but it would just get him fired anyway if it was serious. He sort of has to wait for the correct opportunity.

Now, you can say that's not in the interest of the people, the nation, either party....and a host of other things and I'll point out that he didn't get there in the first place by principles or being dumb. He's got some smarts at least.


I guess you are claiming Comey was less corrupt than Wray; which then begs the question, why did Trump fire Comey and hire Wray?

I actually thought Comey was treated a little too harshly.

Trump was notorious for firing staff and replacing them with sycophants and loyalists. You either did what he wanted or got replaced. It's not a great cabinet and that's part of his cavalcade of mistakes. As an outsider...he really needed smart people and he needed to listen when they disagreed.

He didn't. Even Pence wouldn't go along with him at the end.



Also, you do know that the FBI director is not a political position, per se.

It really shouldn't be. You work for the president though....he sets the agenda.



Instead, new President's don't replace the Director of the FBI (as Biden hasn't), rather they are appointed for a 10 year term -- this was intentionally done to prevent the FBI from being a political position.
Is that a tradition, rule, policy, contract?

The federal government is a hierarchy....President sits at the top.

I was under the impression they get a 10 year appointment but rarely make it through one. They can be fired.

This is why Trump firing Comey, particularly for what appeared to be political reasons, was such a big deal.
I don't think that's why it was a big deal.


You have evidence that the FBI "sat on the Hunter laptop?"

I have admissions from the CEO of Facebook itself he was warned about the story and should consider it Russian propaganda.

And you do realize that year that the FBI "sat on the Hunter laptop" that Trump was in the White House and the DoJ was controlled by AG Barr -- so why would Barr be sitting on Hunter's laptop when he planned to leave with Trump (and actually left about a month before)?

Are you under the impression that the DOJ and FBI are the same thing?


As I've pointed out elsewhere, the true answer appears to be that there actually is little actual "evidence" on Hunter's laptop that could be used in court for a prosecution.

I don't know but when you consider some of people claiming to have copies and their lack of arrest... I wouldn't bet on it.

I think Gaetz said he had a copy....shortly before he was found completely uninvolved in those sex trafficking allegations.


If you recall, the Wall Street Journal and Fox News -- two media organizations that are strongly Republican and were opposed to Biden -- refused to run the story of Hunter's laptop.

Right. FBI put the word out.


They specifically said, even after talking to Tony Bobulinski and the documents he had, that the evidence did not support running the story. Even Tucker Carlson, who interviewed Carlson and was going to have a huge "exposé" after reviewing Bobulinski's documents, but then the episode he was going to expose Hunter and Joe's connection to Hunter's business, Carlson instead talked about how he'd picked on Hunter enough, and did something different that night, instead.

Uh huh.

Now maybe you know something more than I do but I've seen nothing from the laptop, nor any actual reporting of what is on the laptop (as opposed to political commentary where claims are made but no evidence is provided) that ties Joe Biden to the laptop.
I've seen little, heard less, but suspect much.

You'll see FBI directors are fired all the time...this one isn't. I honestly don't think Biden is making his own appointments....some are ridiculous. Count all the Trump appointees still working.


I'm not sure what you are trying to say. I'm saying politics is killing the country -- that both parties are out to promote themselves rather than do what is best for the country.

Yeah...


As for Comey, again, he broke rules by commenting on the ongoing investigation of a political candidate just prior to an election (I believe the rule states 3 months prior to the election).

Well it's a bit misleading if the media says that it's over. I don't blame him for correcting the record. Seems like they could have asked him.





Additionally, the Classified information on Hillary's server was, from what I've seen, information sent to her by State Department officials as part of her job and most were not properly marked that they were classified.

Yeah...sure.


It wasn't anything she "removed" from the State Department.

Yes...it absolutely was.


Her "crime," if you will, was having a private server rather than using the State Department server for email --

Right. It's crime for me to mishandle classified information too.



though, to be fair, her predecessor had done it as well (both Rice and Powell);

Almost as if it's the norm.


so perhaps a good thing is that Secretaries of State are no longer using private servers.

Yeah...they're all following the rules now.


Additionally, Hillary was not keeping the emails after she stepped down as Secretary;

Huh?


in fact, my recollection is that the plan was in place (prior to the investigation) to archive the emails (information) on the server before destroying them with the single copy of the archive going to the State Department to satisfy their records laws.

Why destroy them?


In the other case, I assume you are referring to the FBI's seeking a search warrant for records from Mar-A-Lago. The Search Warrant went before a judge, as the law requires, and needed to convince the judge to issue the search warrant.

Must be difficult.


I believe the "nuclear capabilities" was added to the search warrant because that is one type of Classified document that the President cannot declassify -- the Nuclear Secrets are classified by law and the classifications controlled by Congress, unlike most other Classified information is controlled by the Executive Branch and that can be declassified by the President.

Like most things...I wouldn't be surprised if Trump didn't know that and no one told him.


That these documents were added because they were something Trump couldn't claim he had "declassified" before he took them to Mar-A-Lago.

Uh huh.


Last, the only reason "nuclear capabilities" was publicized, in this case, is that Pres. Trump wanted the Search Warrant released to the public.

Iranian nuclear capabilities is on the search warrant?

Maybe the director isn't that smart.
 
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I am not sure who the "they" is as in they didn't want him because he might talk about corruption. I am going to summarize here, but "people' didn't want him president because of the exact reasons Trump enacted to prove why he shouldn't be president.
Trump’s entire spiel could be condensed down to one sentence: “The wrong people are making the decisions where government money should go! That’s why we want to be the ‘deciders’!”

That’s not sarcasm or ridicule: that’s actually a cogent political philosophy, “I want the best for my tribe” and there’s nothing wrong with that at all unless one’s “tribe” is smaller than the Nation as-a-whole.
Once it’s “our side and your side are going to ‘duke-it-out’!”, we will have already lost.

Who will pick up the bigger pieces? Xi or Putin?
 
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