Can people who disagree on abortion stop attacking each other?

[YahuahSaves]

Your distain is duly noted but, again, how does that make the idea that contraction is better than abortion and that women should be able to get abortions for whatever reason conflict with each other?

That's easy, morality. The problem is in our ever-increasing narcissistic society, people seem to have lost all concept of right and wrong behaviour, and it's only getting worse. The other point no pro-choicer seems to mention is the long term psychological and emotional impact abortion has on the woman. I've known a few women who've had abortions in their 20s and 30s. 1 person had 7 between 20 and 30, and admitted they didn't use contraception mostly because it "killed the mood", and often "forgot" to take the pill. Rather than "kill the mood", they chose instead to kill their unborn children, which they regret doing to this day. This may not be every woman's experience, but it's most.

 

[Desk trauma]

even an embryo is a living human being?
Abortions Murder,
it's HOW GOD views it and he's the Ultimate Authority.
Regardless as to what you choose to be deceived into believing,
it doesn't change the fact that abortions murder.
toss all the secular lies at me you want, you fool only yourself.
in the end.
If GOD declares it to be so than it is,
Abortion is Murder and Murder is SIN.

And more non-sequiturs.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Because from what I have seen, most are about saving a life until it is born but have little interest in what happens after.

From what you've "seen". I doubt you've walked into a planned pregnancy centre and ask what they do to help pregnant women before and after birth?

 

[Desk trauma]

That's easy, morality. The problem is in our ever-increasing narcissistic society, people seem to have lost all concept of right and wrong behaviour, and it's only getting worse. The other point no pro-choicer seems to mention is the long term psychological and emotional impact abortion has on the woman. I've known a few women who've had abortions in their 20s and 30s. 1 person had 7 between 20 and 30, and admitted they didn't use contraception mostly because it "killed the mood", and often "forgot" to take the pill. Rather than "kill the mood", they chose instead to kill their unborn children, which they regret doing to this day. This may not be every woman's experience, but it's most.

Nothing in that pointed to how the two positions conflict with each other.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Nothing in that pointed to how the two positions conflict with each other.

Yes it did. You just choose to ignore it.

 

[comana]

From what you've "seen". I doubt you've walked into a planned pregnancy centre and ask what they do to help pregnant women before and after birth?

Can they help 1 million women? I’m all for supporting women but aside from some charities, how are women in need supported in our society? When it comes to voting for social services/ programs to help women succeed after choosing to keep a baby, pro choice voters are by far in the majority. Charities can’t do it alone.

 

[Desk trauma]

Yes it did. You just choose to ignore it.

I'm not getting it, people were irresponsible about contraception therefore it's contradictory to say avoiding pregnancy via contraception is the best option while being pro-choice? What's the conflict between those two positions?

 

[GodLovesCats]

Hello! According to the Holy Bible such a situation is possible:
Titus 1:16, ESV: They profess to know God, but they deny him by their works.

FYI I have not denied God's existence, triune nature, and purpose since I was 17 years old. Since entering His Kingdom three years later, I have not stopped loving God the Creator, Redeemer, and Sustainer for who and what what He is.

As for the specific issue of abortion: For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be (Psalm 139:13-14)

From this passage we see that the unborn child is created by God, their life planned out by their wonderful and Holy creator from the moment of conception. God bless.

Why then does God kill most human beings He creates? Why does God create so many defective human beings that are doomed to die naturally either before or shortly after birth because of their physical flaws?

The author of Psalm 139 was made wonderfully, but he did not have any genetic or other congenital defects. His only defect was being a sinner like everyone else on Earth. How are people like Dina's daughter Zoe Lily "wonderfully made"? And because rape is a sin, why should we say a rape baby such as Zoe is a child of God at the time of conception? If everyone was made perfect throughout the whole gestational period and nobody was conceived by incest or rape, I could agree 100% with the entirety of Psalm 139 as a blanket statement. But because most humans - both born and unborn - have imperfect DNA and already were defective before committing their first sins, I cannot accept the bold text to be about every human embryo, fetus, and baby who ever existed.

 

[YahuahSaves]

When it comes to voting for social services/ programs to help women succeed after choosing to keep a baby, pro choice voters are by far in the majority.

I doubt that...all the information I'm finding begs to differ.

Women Have Real Choices

Pro-Life Pregnancy Centers Outnumber Abortion Clinics While Offering Compassion and Tangible Help

 

[YahuahSaves]

I'm not getting it, people were irresponsible about contraception therefore it's contradictory to say avoiding pregnancy via contraception is the best option while being pro-choice? What's the conflict between those two positions?

So your pro-choice stance does advocate for killing the unborn, even when the choice to not use contraception was deliberate? Whatever happened to people taking responsibility for their actions? You can't just go and murder someone with no "just cause" legally, why should you be able to abort with no "just cause" legally?

 

[YahuahSaves]

Why then does God kill most human beings He creates? Why does God create so many defective human beings that are doomed to die naturally either before or shortly after birth because of their physical flaws?

It's called a "fallen world". God doesn't control our choice to sin, just like he doesn't control our choice to repent and be saved from sin.

 

[comana]

I doubt that...all the information I'm finding begs to differ.

Women Have Real Choices

Pro-Life Pregnancy Centers Outnumber Abortion Clinics While Offering Compassion and Tangible Help

I’m not talking pregnancy centers vs planned parenthood. We need real social reform. Parental leave, universal healthcare, public daycare, etc. government level stuff.

 

[Desk trauma]

So your pro-choice stance does advocate for killing the unborn, even when the choice to not use contraception was deliberate?

I have been quite clear about my position about women having the option of abortion regardless of their reason.

Now, how about filling in the details for how thinking contraception is the better option is in conflict with thinking abortion should be allowed?

 

[YahuahSaves]

I’m not talking pregnancy centers vs planned parenthood. We need real social reform. Parental leave, universal healthcare, public daycare, etc. government level stuff.

I actually agree with that. But that doesn't change the fact there is a very real moral dilemma happening with regards to shifting societal views.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Now, how about filling in the details for how thinking contraception is the better option is in conflict with thinking abortion should be allowed?

I answered the question in my below post

Whatever happened to people taking responsibility for their actions? You can't just go and murder someone with no "just cause" legally, why should you be able to abort with no "just cause" legally?

You have most definitely made your position clear.

 

[Desk trauma]

I answered the question in my below post

You lamented a lack of personal responsibility but gave no link from that to why my positions are in conflict with each other. Just because you really don't like my positions does not make them contradictory of each other.

 

[Lost Witness]

I answered the question in my below post

You have most definitely made your position clear.

Could use not reading so many comic books and start paying attention to the world around him?
Instead of insinuating he could survive 2000yrs ago with such a "survival skillset"
Granted to him from "comic books'
Vibranium flip flops aren't going to work..
You need real life survival experience to be able to do anything remotely that intense and even then it would be far from likely @Desk trauma
next time instead of saying ,

And more non-sequiturs.

Just say keep on the topic?
not everyone has to try to prove themselves online
also i never said anything about you growing up 2000yrs ago

 

[YahuahSaves]

You lamented a lack of personal responsibility but gave no link from that to why my positions are in conflict with each other. Just because you really don't like my positions does not make them contradictory of each other.

Your ideas of "human being" and "murder" are in conflict.

 

[comana]

I actually agree with that. But that doesn't change the fact there is a very real moral dilemma happening with regards to shifting societal views.

Nothing is different, nothing has changed. Humans are just as moral/immoral as they have ever been. Fact is that sexual desire is a human trait that has evolved to ensure more humans. Cultural mores have tried since time began to restrain the desire but it always wins in the end. Our ancestors had many ‘cures’ for unwanted pregnancy.

Women today are resistant to being humankind’s brood mares when it doesn’t bring the respect it should. I don’t blame today’s young women for wanting a career over a baby. Because while men have historically been able to “have it all”, women have to choose one or the other. Let’s change that.

 

[Desk trauma]

Your ideas of "human being" and "murder" are in conflict.

Ah, no link so skip to something else.