Can people who disagree on abortion stop attacking each other?

[coffee4u]

A better question would be when does the age of accountability start?
The answer is,
When did you learn "right from wrong"?

When God says it starts. Which will be different for different people.

 

[Lost Witness]

When God says it starts. Which will be different for different people.

Agreed.

 

[coffee4u]

It's not true because conception is not in the womb.

If you said we're formed in the womb, as the Bible does, then it's after conception. Because conception does not take place in the womb.

Now you are splitting hairs. It does not matter where conception takes place, it is all the 'secret place' because it happens unseen. Nobody knows conception is taking place or sees the journey down the fallopian tubes to the womb. Some woman suspect early on but most will not know for days or even a few weeks.

The zygote is forming from the moment of conception. Around the fifth day, the mass of cells becomes known as a blastocyst. The zygote didn't sit there doing nothing those 4-5 days, it was changing and developing because it is alive. Non life doesn't grow and develop. No matter how long you stare at a rock it has nothing within itself to change and develop. The only way a rock changes is if an outside force changes it because a rock is not alive, a zygote is.

The Hebrew does not use the word womb it uses vasseter, meaning: a covering, hiding place, secrecy.

 

[YahuahSaves]

It's almost as if the people thousands of years ago didn't have a detailed understanding

It seems they had as much understanding then as we do "scientifically" now (with the exception of evidence for a soul) perhaps science will catch up with that concept too.

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[Desk trauma]

It seems they had as much understanding then as we do "scientifically"

Yeah, people thousands of years ago had the same level of medical knowledge we curranty have, LOL.

 

[YahuahSaves]

So both identical twins are alive at conception?

Yes or no?

Twinning

"Before about 14 days post-conception, some embryos split into two embryos (identical twins). Therefore, some think, embryos before this point aren't yet individual, unitary human beings.

But the fact than one organism can give rise to two doesn't mean it isn't an individual organism. A flatworm, as Patrick Lee observes, can be cut to produce two separate flatworms, and that doesn't mean a flatworm isn't a flatworm. The evidence of embryology shows that human embryos, likewise, are unitary and individual organisms even if twinning later occurs."

From: The unborn is a human being: What science tells us about unborn children

 

[YahuahSaves]

Yeah, people thousands of years ago had the same level of medical knowledge we curranty have, LOL.

That's not a relevant answer to the understanding of the unborn being living human beings

 

[comana]

Twinning

"Before about 14 days post-conception, some embryos split into two embryos (identical twins). Therefore, some think, embryos before this point aren't yet individual, unitary human beings.

But the fact than one organism can give rise to two doesn't mean it isn't an individual organism. A flatworm, as Patrick Lee observes, can be cut to produce two separate flatworms, and that doesn't mean a flatworm isn't a flatworm. The evidence of embryology shows that human embryos, likewise, are unitary and individual organisms even if twinning later occurs."

From: The unborn is a human being: What science tells us about unborn children

It does tell us that life doesn’t necessarily start at conception. The second embryo does not exist at conception.

 

[YahuahSaves]

A missed opportunity for cake.

That's a typical answer for someone who can't effectively argue their position

 

[YahuahSaves]

If they are brain dead they are effectively human remains.

Parallel with brain death

"The irreversible cessation of brain function indicates the death of a human being. Some people argue, then, that the life of a human being cannot begin until brain activity begins.

But the reason (total) brain death matters is that it means the body can no longer function as an integrated whole (even if some cells and tissues are still alive). The brain, in older humans, is essential for that purpose. Before the development of the brain in the first place, however, the very young embryo does not require it in order to function as an organism and direct her own growth (including the development of her brain).

Thus, while a brain-dead patient is a corpse in the process of decay, an embryo is a living and growing individual."

From: The unborn is a human being: What science tells us about unborn children

 

[YahuahSaves]

It does tell us that life doesn’t necessarily start at conception. The second embryo does not exist at conception.

Scientifically speaking, all the questions relating to whether life begins at conception have been answered.

Life is continuous

"Some people point out that the sperm and egg are alive. Indeed, life, in a broad sense, is continuous (stretching back to the beginning of life on Earth). So it's not accurate, they claim, to say that life "begins" at conception."

"It's true that life in general is continuous, but the life of an individual human being is not continuous. It has a beginning and an end. The beginning is called conception. "Although life is a continuous process," explains the textbook Human Embryology & Teratology, "fertilization … is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is formed."

Comparison to body parts

"The difference, however, is that the unborn is a whole organism—an individual member of the species—and other cells and tissues are mere parts. So the unborn isn't just living and human (in the adjective sense of those words); she's a life and a human (in the noun sense). None of us was ever a kidney or a skin cell or a sperm cell. But each of us was once an embryo."

The evidence of embryology shows that human embryos, likewise, are unitary and individual organisms even if twinning later occurs."

From: The unborn is a human being: What science tells us about unborn children

 

[Desk trauma]

That's a typical answer for someone who can't effectively argue their position

Also that rule about not being able to argue for my position without being banned.

 

[Desk trauma]

Parallel with brain death

"The irreversible cessation of brain function indicates the death of a human being. Some people argue, then, that the life of a human being cannot begin until brain activity begins.

But the reason (total) brain death matters is that it means the body can no longer function as an integrated whole (even if some cells and tissues are still alive). The brain, in older humans, is essential for that purpose. Before the development of the brain in the first place, however, the very young embryo does not require it in order to function as an organism and direct her own growth (including the development of her brain).

Thus, while a brain-dead patient is a corpse in the process of decay, an embryo is a living and growing individual."

From: The unborn is a human being: What science tells us about unborn children

Does this mean you believe that I would talk about my loved ones that way?

 

[Desk trauma]

That's not a relevant answer to the understanding of the unborn being living human beings

It’s relevant to the claim that they had the same level of understanding as we do.

 

[David Collins]

Nothing.

by nothing, do you suggest i vite for legality of abortion?

 

[Desk trauma]

by nothing, do you suggest i vite for legality of abortion?

That would be doing something, I suggested doing nothing.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Does this mean you believe that I would talk about my loved ones that way?

You already did:

I would actually. Brain death is the death of a person regardless of if their corpse can be kept plodding along and I would not pretend that my loved ones were still around if they are in that state.

 

[David Collins]

That would be doing something, I suggested doing nothing.

i intend to vote. do you suggest i vote for abortion or against it?

 

[YahuahSaves]

It does tell us that life doesn’t necessarily start at conception. The second embryo does not exist at conception.

The evidence of embryology shows that human embryos, likewise, are unitary and individual organisms even if twinning later occurs."

 

[YahuahSaves]

If they are brain dead they are already dead. A machine is artificially keeping their organs alive.

You are correct. Scientifically, an embryo has more right to be called a human being than a brain dead person on life-support.

Thus, while a brain-dead patient is a corpse in the process of decay, an embryo is a living and growing individual."