Modern day systemic racism, does it exist?

[BNR32FAN]

Yes. We can learn from those countries.

Really? Which countries offer this?

 

[gaara4158]

Really? Which countries offer this?

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[BNR32FAN]

My argument here isn’t about the effect police have on crime or what the root cause is per se, despite my preparedness to get into the weeds on those subjects. If you recall, this discussion has been about systemic racism. Systemic racism doesn’t require any racist actors or laws to enforce explicitly racist rules - it is merely the result of nominally unbiased systems operating the same towards members of all demographics, but whose effects differ along racial lines.

Tying this back in with policing, we established earlier that police are prone to unjustified excessive violence. Now, even assuming there is a perfectly fair reason to deploy more patrols into predominantly Black neighborhoods, the inevitable result is more Black people being exposed to the risk of an unjust police encounter. Thus, while no one’s being racist individually, one racial group suffers more than others as a result of systems working normally. That’s what systemic racism is, despite what reactionary pundits on the Daily Wire might say.

Police are “prone” to unjustified excessive violence? 56 million police interactions with civilians and 26,000 brutality complaints that comes to .04% per year and that’s the total number of complaints made not the actual number of verified cases of police brutality. I’d hardly consider that being “prone” to brutality. The fact is that actually police brutality cases are extremely rare which is precisely why everyone is so shocked when they appear on the news because it absolutely is not the norm for police behavior.

 

[gaara4158]

Police are “prone” to unjustified excessive violence? 56 million police interactions with civilians and 26,000 brutality complaints that comes to .04% per year and that’s the total number of complaints made not the actual number of verified cases of police brutality. I’d hardly consider that being “prone” to brutality. The fact is that actually police brutality cases are extremely rare which is precisely why everyone is so shocked when they appear on the news because it absolutely is not the norm for police behavior.

Now do the breakdown of those incidents by race of the suspect.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Now do the breakdown of those incidents by race of the suspect.

Be my guest

 

[rjs330]

wonder why the crime rate is so high among the one group with a uniquely oppressed history in the US. It’s a shame no one has looked into that.

You didn't answer the question.

You can’t un-punch someone in the face, but you can give them an ice pack.

You didn't answer the question. Are you avoiding?

There isn’t a need for police, there’s a need for societal stability. You decided police presence is sufficient, not reality.

Who is responsible for the lack of stability in those neighborhoods?

Every neighborhood has a multitude of speeders. It’s just the commuters through this one that pay for it. You don’t see a problem there?

If one neighborhood has a thousand speeders and the other has a hundred then no, there is no problem with more enforcement in the one that has the most.

I’ve already gone into the effectiveness of police in reducing crime. It doesn’t address the root.

And I've already proven to you that police do reduce crime. Why did you ignore that?

agreed cops are known to abuse their power, listing several such cases he was aware of himself. For our purposes, that premise was indeed established to be the case.

Unfortunately you did no prove you case at all. Your premise has no evidence but isolated incidents.

Cops are not known to abuse their power. It's been proven in several studies. Why do you feel the need to perpetuate lies and false stereotypes about cops but then ignore that there are crime ridden communities and excuse them?

 

[rjs330]

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Are you aware that there is free college in the US?

Are you aware that that those overseas colleges have restrictions on who can attend or what courses can be taken?

Most countries have significantly fewer people attending college. America has the highest rate despite the cost. We have oversold our education.

 

[DaisyDay]

No I think you did a sufficient job....

War...an attack...are descriptions of deliberate acts. These aren't matters of mere time or chance. The war wasn't real and the claim isn't true.

So the next question is why did that story sell? Why did they buy it so easily?

The simple answers just don't apply to that large of a group....they can't all be unintelligent, they can't all be easily duped....

I'd suggest that when the identity that you hold is one that centers on tales of persecution and mistreatment...on oppression...then whenever someone comes along and reasserts this aspect of your identity...why wouldn't you believe it? You've been told it your whole life. You're a victim....Thankfully someone came along to show you how. It doesn't matter if it's the war on Christmas or if it's "systemic racism" ....the important part is that you're finally able to claim this important part of who you are....a victim.

It's obvious to you....because you expect it. Christians are told to expect a period of persecution before the end. It's a self serving confirmation of one's own identity and really, I think this in particular about the persecution complex, one's own moral responsibility.

The war on Christmas seems about as real as the war on white men.

 

[Pommer]

No that isn’t a case of systemic racism because Ahmaud was shot by civilians. It had nothing to do with the government or the law.

So the two months where no-one was charged with Aubrey’s murder doesn’t suggest to you that the system was taking care of its own?

 

[BNR32FAN]

I wonder why the crime rate is so high among the one group with a uniquely oppressed history in the US. It’s a shame no one has looked into that.


You can’t un-punch someone in the face, but you can give them an ice pack.


There isn’t a need for police, there’s a need for societal stability. You decided police presence is sufficient, not reality.


Every neighborhood has a multitude of speeders. It’s just the commuters through this one that pay for it. You don’t see a problem there?


I’ve already gone into the effectiveness of police in reducing crime. It doesn’t address the root.




My interlocutor in that conversation already agreed cops are known to abuse their power, listing several such cases he was aware of himself. For our purposes, that premise was indeed established to be the case.

Excuse after excuse after excuse. It’s always somebody else’s fault isn’t it? I rob people, I use and sell drugs, I break into cars & houses, I’m violent and kill people because my people were oppressed 50 years ago yet ironically it’s my own people who are typically the victims of my crimes. This is not the mentality of blacks all over America this is the primary mentality of blacks living in the hood which is precisely where the high levels of crime are.There are numerous blacks living outside of the hood who don’t have this mentality. It has nothing to do with oppression it has to do with making excuses for unacceptable behavior. Most of the people committing these crimes nowadays have no idea what oppression is because the oppression ended before they were even born. The hood mentality is perpetrated by both what is glorified and mocked in the hood. Getting a job is for suckers, hustling, pumping, selling dope, gang banging, and severe consequences for disrespect are glorified. Anyone who has ever actually lived in the hood or listens to rap music knows that, it’s common knowledge. But outside of the hood it’s a completely different ballgame. Blacks outside the hood typically don’t have that mentality and typically hold to values that are predominant within their local community. So don’t try to blame oppression for the crime rates in the hood because oppression has nothing to do with it. The majority of blacks in the hood are oppressing each other and themselves.

 

[BNR32FAN]

So the two months where no-one was charged with Aubrey’s murder doesn’t suggest to you that the system was taking care of its own?

I’d have to know the specifics of the case to make that decision. I don’t know what kind of evidence the police had at that time or the testimonies that the men gave or if there were any other witnesses to give a testimony. If it was three men’s word and a dead black man and nothing else then it would be hard to charge anyone with murder without any evidence to support it. Why would a police department care about protecting a white man who murdered someone? What just because he’s white? That would be a ridiculous assessment.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Modern day systemic racism, does it exist?​

We could take our pick where to start. Education, justice system, housing, employment, surveillance, healthcare.

 

[Larniavc]

I've been looking hard at that. Human births do not normally require medical interventionA normal human birth doesn't require medical intervention at all. If they did, the human race would have died out millennia ago before medical intervention was possible.

The reason for a higher mortality rate for black women isn't racial. What's hard to find out is precisely what black pregnant women are dying from, but it turns out the mortality factor is obesity and high blood pressure. Obese white women die at a higher rate, too, but it occurs to a higher proportion of black women.

Don’t forget that in America income is a big indicator for health outcomes.

 

[Ana the Ist]

“The system works*!”
*if an attorney leaks video of the murder

Still waiting on that criticism of police....

Sure, let’s go with that. Otherwise it might be evidence that the system was/is racist. (And we know that can’t be because you say so.)

It's starting to look like you won't be giving a criticism of the police in this instance.

 

[Ken-1122]

Modern day systemic racism, does it exist?​

We could take our pick where to start. Education, justice system, housing, employment, surveillance, healthcare.

Can you give examples of systemic racism in those areas?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

"It's basically a public health and human rights emergency because it's been estimated that a significant portion of these deaths could be prevented," said Dr. Ana Langer, director of the Women and Health Initiative at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health in Boston.

The reasons behind the racial disparities are many and complex, she said. Lack of access and poor quality of care are leadings factors, particularly among women at lower socioeconomic levels.

But there's a bigger problem, Langer said. "Basically, black women are undervalued. They are not monitored as carefully as white women are. When they do present with symptoms, they are often dismissed."

Heart Disease and Stroke in Black Women

Cardiovascular disease is the No. 1 killer for all women.

www.heart.org

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Can you give examples of systemic racism in those areas?

Black students are less likely than white students to have access to college-ready courses.

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5 examples of racism in the U.S. criminal justice system​

5 examples of racism in the U.S. criminal justice system | Sivin, Miller & Roche LLP

It seems like a new and disturbing instance of police misconduct or unfair prosecution is in the headlines every ... blog

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DECADES OF STRUCTURAL RACISM HAVE CREATED TREMENDOUS RACIAL DISPARITIES IN HOUSING, AND THAT LEGACY CONTINUES TO SHAPE THE PRESENT LANDSCAPE. RACIAL DISPARITIES IN HOUSING MANIFEST IN SEVERAL WAYS:​

Racial Inequities in Housing - Opportunity Starts at Home

Decades of structural racism have created tremendous racial disparities in housing, and that legacy continues to shape the present landscape. Racial disparities in housing manifest in several ways: Housing Affordability […]

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[Ana the Ist]

The war on Christmas seems about as real as the war on white men.

Or "systemic racism" against black people.

 

[Pommer]

Still waiting on that criticism of police....



It's starting to look like you won't be giving a criticism of the police in this instance.

Why do you need to see me criticize police?
We both agree that the criminal Justice system works just as it is designed to work.
We just disagree that that system is racist on the face of it.
Fare thee well.

 

[Ana the Ist]

"It's basically a public health and human rights emergency because it's been estimated that a significant portion of these deaths could be prevented," said Dr. Ana Langer, director of the Women and Health Initiative at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health in Boston.

The reasons behind the racial disparities are many and complex, she said. Lack of access and poor quality of care are leadings factors, particularly among women at lower socioeconomic levels.

But there's a bigger problem, Langer said. "Basically, black women are undervalued. They are not monitored as carefully as white women are. When they do present with symptoms, they are often dismissed."

Heart Disease and Stroke in Black Women

Cardiovascular disease is the No. 1 killer for all women.

www.heart.org

Interesting.....did you read the research the article is based on? It seems to paint a rather different picture on the role of bias and racism in patient outcomes.

Do you think that's why they chose to link a celebrity blog but didn't link the research?