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Our Spiritual Drink: A History of Wine and the Catholic Church

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Not a big fan of America Magazine for obvious reasons but I thought this was actually a good article, I could definitely relate to it, and best of all they gave a shoutout to the Trappist monastery nearby (Abbey of New Clairvaux). It's a longer article about how intimately woven into the faith wine and winemaking are, from the many references to it in scripture to the processes itself always being so closely associated with the faith and salvation history.

For me personally I think that explains at least in part where I've always felt a desire to at least be a hobby winemaker. My dad grew up on a vineyard in the Napa Valley so winemaking found it's way into my family's DNA and I just see such a grace and dignity to it all. I have a small dream that's sort of on the back burner right now, to maybe convert the decaying 20-acre almond orchard my grandpa planted in the 1960s into a vineyard. He died in 1976, and once my grandma remarried 10 years later her second husband abused the land and continues to do so today. The orchard is rotting out, and he's treated a couple acres of the property like a landfill with useless junk piled up. She passed away in 2020 so he's in control of everything now. So God willing, he won't rob us of our inheritance, and then I hope to maybe tear out the dying almond trees and plant maybe a Spanish varietal of wine. Not sure if I'd actually build out a winery on the property too or if I'd just rather sell the grapes to New Clairvaux in support of their mission, but either way I would enjoy putting that together.

Here's the article if you're interested:

New Clairvaux Vineyard in Northern California is a good example of successful Catholic winemaking today. In 1955, the Abbey of Gethsemani purchased a plot of land to begin a new monastery. The land was purchased from a former governor of California, Leland Stanford, who had established 4,000 acres of grapes and a winery that produced over two million gallons a year prior to Prohibition. Stanford sold off the land in 1919, and the vines were ripped out.

But in 2000, at the prodding of a neighbor, the Cistercian monks pivoted from dairy and orchard farming to plant their first six acres of grape vines on the land. “You know, we—the Cistercians—set the standard for ‘modern’ wine production at Citeaux,” Abbot Paul Mark Schwan reminded me in a conversation by phone of the order’s connection to medieval winemaking. “We’re very much aware of that connection.”

Today, the monks’ primary labor is working in the vineyard, but as in many Catholic apostolates, they partner with lay people, including Aimée Sunseri, a fifth-generation California winemaker.

And while it is heartening to see the church return to building up global wine culture, Abbot Paul Mark sees their efforts as a contribution to the larger mission of the church. He estimates 38,000 people visit the monastery each year. “Now, most people come because they are looking for wine,” he told me, “but it also becomes our way of evangelization. When people come, they know it’s more than just a bottle of wine. It’s as if they’re buying a kind of spirituality in a bottle.”

 
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I am a big wine fan. I enjoy wine with meals, strictly red wine. I always drank primarily American and thought French wine to be overrated. Boy was I wrong. I love a nice French Cote DunRhone. The French have many centuries of experience
I have to be in the mood for wine. I do like the way the right wine paired with food can enhance a meal.
 
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I am a big wine fan. I enjoy wine with meals, strictly red wine. I always drank primarily American and thought French wine to be overrated. Boy was I wrong. I love a nice French Cote DunRhone. The French have many centuries of experience
Ah I love a good Côtes du Rhône, haven't had one in a while though. Have you ever had a Beaujolais Nouveau? It's been years and I always forget my timing when I want to get one cause it's such a small window when they're available. It's brilliant though. I also recommend some Spanish varietals, like a good Tempranillo or Babera. I love to have a glass of Tempranillo with a tri tip steak, it goes perfectly.
 
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“You know, we—the Cistercians—set the standard for ‘modern’ wine production at Citeaux,” Abbot Paul Mark Schwan reminded me in a conversation by phone of the order’s connection to medieval winemaking. “We’re very much aware of that connection.”
I don't know much about the Cistercians as I have never talked to one.
 
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The French have many centuries of experience
Not only the French have that.
Italians, Greeks, Spanish, Potuguese and Germans as well - to name but a few of the European countries.

Wine has been made since Roman times in the land that is now Germany. :)
 
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Ah I love a good Côtes du Rhône, haven't had one in a while though. Have you ever had a Beaujolais Nouveau? It's been years and I always forget my timing when I want to get one cause it's such a small window when they're available. It's brilliant though. I also recommend some Spanish varietals, like a good Tempranillo or Babera. I love to have a glass of Tempranillo with a tri tip steak, it goes perfectly.

I have had Beaujolais Nouveau and they are nice.Spanish wines are nice also, as are Chilean.
 
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I love a good port too!
The sweeter the better.


[side note; my sister brings dry wine every Holiday - and drinks it all and that's her 'dish' she brings for everyone.] :|
 
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