How to become a Calvinist in 5 easy steps

[ICONO'CLAST]

The topic is "How to be a Calvinist in 5 days" and you support Calvinism and yet you state you have never studied Calvin's writings. I think that shows how to being a Calvinist: hear some half-truths from friendly godly folk and bury your head in the sand.

Most Calvinists have not read Calvin, just the scriptures.

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

Most Calvinists have not read Calvin, just the scriptures.

 

[John Mullally]

Most Calvinists have not read Calvin, just the scriptures.

Well if they, or their pastors, read the scriptues they would know that God desires all to be saved. And thus, Calvinism with its puppetry is bunk.

1 Timothy 2:1 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time,​

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

Well if they, or their pastors, read the read the scriptues they would know that God desires all to be saved. And thus, Calvinism with its puppetry is bunk.

1 Timothy 2:1 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time,​

Are all men saved?

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

The topic is "How to be a Calvinist in 5 days" and you support Calvinism and yet you state you have never studied Calvin's writings. I think that shows how to being a Calvinist: hear some half-truths from friendly godly folk and bury your head in the sand.

Calvin did not start Calvinism.
The biblical writers did.

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

The meaning is "voluntary offerings," not a statement about the will of man, and found nowhere else in the Bible.

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The Theological and Biblical Basis of Penal Substitution

 

[GodsGrace101]

You may want to double check the meaning of libertarian free will.

Libertarian free will means that our choices are free from the determination or constraints of human nature and free from any predetermination by God.

https://www.theopedia.com/libertarian-free-will

Hi John
It's the morning now!
Thinking straight.
This is also for @zoidar ...

Again, you're correct about free will,
Libertarian free will means we are free to choose between 2 options with no outside coercion.

Thanks again !

 

[GodsGrace101]

The meaning is "voluntary offerings," not a statement about the will of man, and found nowhere else in the Bible.

Right.
If you do something VOLUNTARILY it means there is no coercion involved from an outside force,
God in this case.

 

[John Mullally]

Calvin did not start Calvinism.
The biblical writers did.

Calvin came 1500 years after Christ's resurrection. Please. Calvinism is fatalism - that is soundly contradicted by other scripture passages (like 1 Timothy 2:1-6). Again God does not predestine anyone to hell from birth (as Calvin states and says assigning an eternity of suffering is justified because it gives Him glory) - that is sick! Try reading 1 Timothy 2:4.and John 3:16 to see that God loves people and contrary to Calvin, He is not in the same business as satan (2 Corinthians 4:4).

If you study the life of Mohammed, he beleived that his initial revelation was from satan, but then he warmed up to that revelation. Is history repeating?

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

Calvin came 1500 years after Christ's resurrection. Please. Calvinism is fatalism - that is soundly contradicted by other scripture passages (like 1 Timothy 2:1-6). Again God does not predestine anyone to hell from birth (as Calvin states and says assigning an eternity of suffering is justified because it gives Him glory) - that is sick! Try reading 1 Timothy 2:4.and John 3:16 to see that God loves people and contrary to Calvin, He is not in the same business as satan (2 Corinthians 4:4).

If you study the life of Mohammed, he beleived that his initial revelation was from satan, but then he warmed up to that revelation. Is history repeating?

You do not understand what fatalism is, those who agree with you also do not understand if you attempt to equate it with Biblical Calvinism.

 

[atpollard]

Are all men saved?

The $64 thousand question.

 

[atpollard]

Chauvinism

“Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble
When you're perfect in every way
I can't wait to look in the mirror
Cause I get better lookin' each day
To know me is to love me
I must be a hell of a man
Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble
But I'm doin' the best that I can“
- Mac Davis

 

[GodsGrace101]

You do not understand what fatalism is, those who agree with you also do not understand if you attempt to equate it with Biblical Calvinism.

What is fatalism?

 

[GodsGrace101]

The $64 thousand question.

Shocking!
We know all men cannot be saved.
Are you serious?

 

[GodsGrace101]

Those 17 texts are not addressing mans will.
They are speaking of of offerings not commanded by the law.

Correct.
Offerings that are Not mandated by law.

They are offerings made by a person's free will.
Law HAD to be obeyed.

Here one could volunteer to give, or not volunteer to give. They had a Choice.

A choice denotes free will.

 

[atpollard]

Shocking!
We know all men cannot be saved.
Are you serious?

… and here we are over a thousand posts later still arguing over that fact.

How is it that GOD DESIRES ALL MEN TO BE SAVED (implying that it is the WILL OF GOD THAT ALL MEN SHALL BE SAVED) and yet … “We know all men cannot be saved.”

• Has God lost his omnipotence?
• Is there another reason?
• Have we misunderstood something God said?

(Hence the 1000 posts … and the 100,000 posts before these … and the 600 years that men have been arguing over this before we came along.)

So every time someone “throws down” 1 Timothy 2:4 and Boldly Proclaims that “God desires all men saved” as the last word against monergism and the Sovereignty of God, THE QUESTION that must be addressed is “Are all men saved?”

 

[zoidar]

… and here we are over a thousand posts later still arguing over that fact.

How is it that GOD DESIRES ALL MEN TO BE SAVED (implying that it is the WILL OF GOD THAT ALL MEN SHALL BE SAVED) and yet … “We know all men cannot be saved.”

• Has God lost his omnipotence?
• Is there another reason?
• Have we misunderstood something God said?

(Hence the 1000 posts … and the 100,000 posts before these … and the 600 years that men have been arguing over this before we came along.)

So every time someone “throws down” 1 Timothy 2:4 and Boldly Proclaims that “God desires all men saved” as the last word against monergism and the Sovereignty of God, THE QUESTION that must be addressed is “Are all men saved?”

Can it be that God allows things to happen that isn't His will to happen?

 

[John Mullally]

You do not understand what fatalism is, those who agree with you also do not understand if you attempt to equate it with Biblical Calvinism.

Websters definition of fatalism:

the belief that all events are predetermined and therefore inevitable.​

Are all men saved?

No. Although God desires all men to be saved, many are not. God is not omni-controlling and pulling strings. Just because God can be a forcer, does not mean He is. Hopefully this helps: Jesus is the Good Shephard who leads His flock - He is not the Good Cowboy who drives the herd!

Mark 16:15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
​

 

[atpollard]

Can it be that God allows things to happen that isn't His will to happen?

Maybe … can you define what it means for something to be “the will” of an Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent CREATOR?

 

[John Caldwell]

What is fatalism?

Fatalism is "a doctrine that events are fixed in advance so that human beings are powerless to change them".

Definition of FATALISM