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Great question. In a Lunar month, the new moon is not counted. So you have the following:


month1 - new moon (day 1) (week1) (week2) (week3) (week4)
month2 - new moon (day 1) (week1) (week2) (week3) (week4)
.... etc.

So as you can see each Lunar month has 4 weeks of 7 days each plus the new moon. Because of the way the moon phases works you have approximately 29.5 days per month.

The Sabbaths are on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th of each month

So you can see how screwed up everything gets if you were to follow a solar week since it doesn't have a break in the weeks that the new moon inserts.

Hope that helps.
So what's your evidence that the Hebrews kept this lunar Sabbath where Sabbath always occurs on the same dates in a given month? There is deep topology going on regarding when Christ was crucified, when he was in the grave and when he rose, traced back to Gen 1; it is by design that Christ dies on friday.
 
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It does but not for someone that only wants to see it spelled out in the text. I've laid out how that is.

You've laid out how you think it is.

As you seem to need this date to "validate" Jesus as the Messiah, and you say that you have it, I hope you're good.
I don't need a date. I believe Jesus is the Messiah because I trust his words, and him.

There's nothing more to say.
 
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Yes, I have it and now my Faith in Him is far stronger than previous to this knowledge.

Well whatever strengthens your faith in Christ is good. That's good to hear.

Personally I don't need the date of the crucifixion to be able to believe in him - which is why I said that it's irrelevant.
But it's clearly important to you.

All the best.
 
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Actually the implication is there. You used the idea that if I didn't have access to the TLG, then I can't be right. If that is the case then nobody else can either that has no access to it. Otherwise, why would you even bring it up. I give you the whole Bible as my proof. Unfortunately with that evidence you have been unable to prove I'm wrong.
I don't mind your disagreeing with me but do NOT misrepresent what I said.
I did NOT say nor imply that "if [you] didn't have access to the TLG, then [you] can't be right." I have asked you more than once to support your theory from scripture alone. If you can't then it is not valid. Please feel free to go back and read what I actually said about TLG.
 
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Pot meet kettle. No, you did imply it. I also gave you the WHOLE BIBLE and said it doesn't refute what I say.
If you can't show me specifically where I implied anything about you and TLG, do it otherwise it is a false accusation.
I can say the "WHOLE BIBLE" says you are wrong. Just as meaningful as your broad-brush claim. Everything I said I can support from scripture alone. You can't say the same.
 
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That is a very illogical conclusion to make. You saying that it is FRIDAY simple BECAUSE BECAUSE BECAUSE with nothing on the other end of BECAUSE other than that is how they do it now - which a logical person would know that has nothing to do with how they did it then and surely yourself included.
Christ was crucified on preparation day, rested in the grave on the sabbath, and rose on the 1st day. Read that over again and tell me if the order sound signficant... because it is. There is pretty deep meaning to the order of these days occruing on the days they do that is echoed through out scripture.

Genesis creation shows us day 1 is the begining of the work where light is spoken into darkness that leads up to the 6th day when God is finished his work. This ushers in the 7th day rest, not because God is tired, but because his work is finished which is an important disctiction. God is finished his work therefore he ceases (sabbath) his work. In the same way Christ's work was finished on the cross, it was exactly what he uttered as he took his last breath "It is finished". This ushers in the day of rest because the work is finished. Perperation day in this case in perperation of the Lamb of God and declares the work of Christ complete ushering a day of rest from this completion.

The sabbath is about rest for you and any everyone you are responsible for, even the animals and slaves, This is a powerful metaphor because animals and salves have no authority to take rest and they can only rest when they are given rest by someone with authority, namely the master (this also works for the entire household but is clearest with animals/slaves). In the same way, we cannot actually take this rest ourselves because we have no authority to enter God's rest but instead we can be given rest by one with authority. That one is Christ, and that work he accomplished to give us rest was finished on the cross.

Christ can do this because he was there when the Sabbath was made, he also fulfills the demands of the Sabbath. The requirements of the sabbath may only go to what is physically appropriate but the demand and logic for rest on the sabbath goes to our beating hearts and our very breath we take as work. Christ rested fully on the sabbath as he was in the grave during its duration without breath and without a heartbeat. So it is Christ who truly keeps the sabbath more than anyone else. But the catch is Christ needs to be in the grave on the Sabbath.

Christ then rises on the 1st day an instant call back to the light spoken into the darkness from creation, a type of new creation, a new beginning. But unlike his birth which was light sent into the darkness his rising is his defeat over the darkness. This needs to be on the 1st day because it is a part of the typology that is repeated throughout scripture.

these aren't random days, they are there by design. Christ tells us man is not made for the sabbath but the sabbath for man and in the same breath Christ says he is Lord of the Sabbath. Being "Lord" of something means you have authority over it. So Christ has authority over the Sabbath. Being the "Son of Man" the Sabbath itself is made for him as the Son of Man since the sabbath is made for man. It is made from the beginning with foreknowledge that Christ would finished his work on the 6th day through the crucifixion when he declares "it is finished" and then rest in the grave on the 7th day. Then rise anew on the 1st day.

Perhaps the order of the days today are different than the order of the days in the 1st century, I really don't know and nothing you have provided here convinces me. But it really doesn't matter who is doing the counting. all measurement is arbitrary if it has no meaning so what matters is the meaning behind the order of the days not which order it may be. If the Jews counted differently than the Romans so be it but it is fundimental that Christ dies on the 6th day, rests on the 7th day and rises on the 1st day. The bible confirms this order and it is consistent with the typology preordained since the beginning. Western interpretation may call preparation day = friday, the sabbath = Saturday and the 1st day = Sunday, these names may be a misnomer these terms were not in practice in the 1st century but they can still be referenced correctly to establish when Christ died. However, saying Christ died on a Sunday by reconciling a different system with a controversial hypothetical system is not only meaningless it robs Christ of his victory on the cross.
 
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Christ was crucified on preparation day, rested in the grave on the sabbath, and rose on the 1st day. Read that over again and tell me if the order sound signficant... because it is. There is pretty deep meaning to the order of these days occruing on the days they do that is echoed through out scripture.

Genesis creation shows us day 1 is the begining of the work where light is spoken into darkness that leads up to the 6th day when God is finished his work. This ushers in the 7th day rest, not because God is tired, but because his work is finished which is an important disctiction. God is finished his work therefore he ceases (sabbath) his work. In the same way Christ's work was finished on the cross, it was exactly what he uttered as he took his last breath "It is finished". This ushers in the day of rest because the work is finished. Perperation day in this case in perperation of the Lamb of God and declares the work of Christ complete ushering a day of rest from this completion.

The sabbath is about rest for you and any everyone you are responsible for, even the animals and slaves, This is a powerful metaphor because animals and salves have no authority to take rest and they can only rest when they are given rest by someone with authority, namely the master (this also works for the entire household but is clearest with animals/slaves). In the same way, we cannot actually take this rest ourselves because we have no authority to enter God's rest but instead we can be given rest by one with authority. That one is Christ, and that work he accomplished to give us rest was finished on the cross.

Christ can do this because he was there when the Sabbath was made, he also fulfills the demands of the Sabbath. The requirements of the sabbath may only go to what is physically appropriate but the demand and logic for rest on the sabbath goes to our beating hearts and our very breath we take as work. Christ rested fully on the sabbath as he was in the grave during its duration without breath and without a heartbeat. So it is Christ who truly keeps the sabbath more than anyone else. But the catch is Christ needs to be in the grave on the Sabbath.

Christ then rises on the 1st day an instant call back to the light spoken into the darkness from creation, a type of new creation, a new beginning. But unlike his birth which was light sent into the darkness his rising is his defeat over the darkness. This needs to be on the 1st day because it is a part of the typology that is repeated throughout scripture.

these aren't random days, they are there by design. Christ tells us man is not made for the sabbath but the sabbath for man and in the same breath Christ says he is Lord of the Sabbath. Being "Lord" of something means you have authority over it. So Christ has authority over the Sabbath. Being the "Son of Man" the Sabbath itself is made for him as the Son of Man since the sabbath is made for man. It is made from the beginning with foreknowledge that Christ would finished his work on the 6th day through the crucifixion when he declares "it is finished" and then rest in the grave on the 7th day. Then rise anew on the 1st day.

Perhaps the order of the days today are different than the order of the days in the 1st century, I really don't know and nothing you have provided here convinces me. But it really doesn't matter who is doing the counting. all measurement is arbitrary if it has no meaning so what matters is the meaning behind the order of the days not which order it may be. If the Jews counted differently than the Romans so be it but it is fundimental that Christ dies on the 6th day, rests on the 7th day and rises on the 1st day. The bible confirms this order and it is consistent with the typology preordained since the beginning. Western interpretation may call preparation day = friday, the sabbath = Saturday and the 1st day = Sunday, these names may be a misnomer these terms were not in practice in the 1st century but they can still be referenced correctly to establish when Christ died. However, saying Christ died on a Sunday by reconciling a different system with a controversial hypothetical system is not only meaningless it robs Christ of his victory on the cross.

Believe what you want to believe. It shows here that it doesn't matter. This forum actually CHARGES money$$$ to give people "Christian" consultation. think about that. Believe what you want to believe. Don't listen to a thing I have said because I'm wrong - this world will testify to that.
 
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Believe what you want to believe. It shows here that it doesn't matter. This forum actually CHARGES money$$$ to give people "Christian" consultation.

No, it is free to use this forum.
But if you don't want to see any adverts, you can pay a small fee and become a supporter.
There is no "consultation", and no compulsion. If you want to put up with the ads, your choice.
 
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No, it is free to use this forum.
But if you don't want to see any adverts, you can pay a small fee and become a supporter.
There is no "consultation", and no compulsion. If you want to put up with the ads, your choice.
Agree. I have been active here since George H.W. Bush was president and got tired of the ads so I became a supporter. Looks like it may be a little less active around here.
 
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Believe what you want to believe. It shows here that it doesn't matter. This forum actually CHARGES money$$$ to give people "Christian" consultation. think about that. Believe what you want to believe. Don't listen to a thing I have said because I'm wrong - this world will testify to that.
That is a pretty muddied response, if you have problems with CF this is not the place the address that, nor am I the person to vent to. Let's keep it to the topics presented in the OP.

With that in mind, what is the purpose behind this information? Let say it's true, what impact does it have? I spelt out the negative impact if Christ is not crucified on preparation day, rest in the grave on the Sabbath and rise on the 1st. So what is your message and meaning you offer in response?
 
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That is a pretty muddied response, if you have problems with CF this is not the place the address that, nor am I the person to vent to. Let's keep it to the topics presented in the OP.
With that in mind, what is the purpose behind this information? Let say it's true, what impact does it have? I spelt out the negative impact if Christ is not crucified on preparation day, rest in the grave on the Sabbath and rise on the 7th. So what is your message and meaning you offer in response?
It appears all the "Tuesday resurrection" posts have been deleted. I hope that signals a change in belief.
 
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It appears all the "Tuesday resurrection" posts have been deleted. I hope that signals a change in belief.

The believe is the same. It is just that information is not for the disbelievers.
 
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