Crucifixion Dating of Jesus Christ

[Strong in Him]

Ok, I'll await your evidence. I know mine has not been refuted.

What evidence do you want me to provide?

You have not proved anything.
Even if the crucifixion was on Sunday March 25th 31 AD ; even if you proved that beyond any doubt and got every expert in the world to agree with you - so what?
You said that you need to know the exact date to validate that Jesus was the Messiah.
I already know that Jesus was the Messiah. I believe what he said in the Bible, and trust him. If I did not, I would have no faith. My faith is in Christ, that is why I am a Christian.

I've asked you for a verse, or passage, which a) gives an exact date for the crucifixion, b) says we have to believe in the date of the crucifixion because it's important to our faith.
But there isn't one, which is why you can't answer that.

 

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[Der Alte]

Yeah? Articles- Restoring Creator's calendar Scripture/Historical proof
Should give you plenty of data to show a Lunar Sabbath.

This topic has been studied and restudied for around 2000 years by Bible scholars and it is inconceivable that none of them found what you claim to have found, only you. In 1972 a database was opened in Irvine Ca.

The Thesaurus Linguae Graecae® (TLG®) is a research program at the University of California, Irvine. Founded in 1972 the TLG has collected and digitized most literary texts written in Greek from Homer to the fall of Byzantium in AD 1453. Its goal is to create a comprehensive digital library of Greek literature from antiquity to the present era.​

This allowed scholars to read virtually everything written from the 8th century BC to 1453 AD. There is virtually nothing scholars could not have known. Yet we are to believe a non-scholar has found something no other scholar in history has ever seen.

 

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[Der Alte]

Did you listen to yourself? Scholars of their time where the Scribes and Pharisees. I think that speaks volumes.

Did you actually think about what you wrote? The TLG database includes virtually everything written between ca. 800 and 1453 AD. Also, it is digital a scholar can instantly look up every occurrence of a word in a 2,253-year period. And since I have studied at the graduate level, I am quite sure the scholars who utilize the TLG are more than qualified to separate the wheat from the chaff. Unlike someone who does not know Greek.
And I repeat my previous comment it defies logic that someone with virtually no graduate training found something no scholar heretofore has ever seen. If you can support your position from scripture alone, I'll jump on your boat.

 

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[Der Alte]

So what is your point? What is the consensus of all the scholars that access the TLG? What date did they come up with and why do they believe many of the early Christians historians got it wrong?

Read my posts in this thread. I must conclude that you cannot back up your theory using scripture alone therefore it is invalid.
My first Greek professor was Dr. Roger Omanson, now deceased. He was on the initial NIV translation committee. FYI I graduated in '83. I will quote from the NIV. That is it, take it or leave it. We're done here.

Mt 27:62 The next day, the one after Preparation Day, the chief priests and the Pharisees went to Pilate.
Mk 15
42 It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath). So as evening approached,
Lk 23
54 When the sabbath draws on, there must be preparation.
John 19 14 It was the day of Preparation of the Passover; it was about noon. “Here is your king,” Pilate said to the Jews.​

 

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[Strong in Him]

Listen if you don't have evidence to bring to refute what I have stated that I have no response to you. I know God will not open everyone's understanding to this.

I could say the same.

You said that the date of the crucifixion is necessary to validate that Jesus was the Messiah.
I already know he was the Messiah.
You have not given any verses from Scripture to show that we need to know the date of the crucifixion - not surprising; there aren't any.

God doesn't need to open anyone's understanding to this; there is nothing to understand.
Commentators give various dates for the crucifixion, it doesn't matter which we believe.
Jesus, the Messiah, was crucified and died for the sins of the world. By his death he has reconciled us to God - or made reconciliation possible.
That's the only important thing we need to know.

 

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[Der Alte]

Based on the logic you provided we must discount all scholars before 1972 since they didn't have access to the TLG. You said you studied at the graduate level. I'm not sure what that had to do with this but I'm assuming your trying to say that your a modern day Scribe. Am I correct?

Rubbish! I intended none of your false conclusions. One correction I can point out is the Greek word "harpagmos." "Harpagmos" was unknowingly, incorrectly translated "robbery" in KJV Philippians 2:6.
No other occurrence of the word was known until TLG became available in '72. "Harpagmos" never meant "robbery" but means something one already possesses which can be used to their advantage.
https://georgehawke.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/2011-niv-translators-notes.pdf

NIV Philippians 2:6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;​

"The being equal with God" was a then and there, reality. "The being equal with God" was not something Jesus considered and declined as some people interpret Philp 2:6.

 

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[Der Alte]

I refuse to believe your accusations that we cannot trust the ancient Church Historians or those that don't have access to the TLG.
I just don't see how you can believe that God was waiting for the Truth to come via the TLG.

I did NOT say or imply any of this. This will be my last response to you. I asked you to prove your theories from scripture, alone. You could not do so therefore I am out of here.

 

[Strong in Him]

You said I didn't give you any scriptures. I give you the whole Bible.

Which does not give the date for the crucifixion

 

[eleos1954]

Many make the mistake of thinking Friday was the crucifixion date based on the idea that Jesus was crucified on the 6th day of the week. It is true that Jesus was crucified on the 6th day of the week. But the week was based on a Lunar/Solar calendar and not a strict Solar calendar. Therefore, the 6th day of a Lunar week can fall on any day of the week. However, the crucifixion was on the 25th of March (Julian) in 31 AD. That day is a SUNDAY.

Others have claimed that Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday because of either a mistake in thinking that Daniel 9 is applicable here or they are trying to get 3 days and 3 nights to work out to a Saturday/Sunday Resurrection.

This date of March 25th was not my own analysis but was also one of the earliest shared understandings of the dating of Jesus Crucifixion.

Now many will fret at that because they hold traditions on Friday for the crucifixion and the previous sunday as the Triumphant entry etc... It is not important to observe those events on the specific days they occurred. But knowing when they occurred IS important. It is important because only the Spring Feast days were fulfilled with yet the Fall Feast days to be fulfilled and they will happen still according to a knowledge of the original calendar as God appointed those times.

This is why you should question your traditions and how you can be deceived by them.

The 7th day Sabbath settles it .... crucified on the 6th day .... rested on the 7th, rose on the 1st.

 

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