I believe and agree. "Jesus is coming soon"

[returntosender]

Well, since you believe the apostles were completely 100% wrong about something as paramount and critical as that, something they taught in over 100 NT scriptures, I can't help but wonder what else you think they were wrong about?

Did they get the teaching bout Grace wrong?

How about Salvation? did they get that wrong too?

What about Jesus' resurrection? were they mistaken about that?

How can we know they were right about anything if we insist they were 100% mistaken in the over 100 NT scriptures that testify about the timing?

Any Christian doctrine who's veracity rests on the notion that the apostles were flat out wrong ought to give every Christian considering it, pause.

I didn't give the day or the hour. Why so bitter? I'm not questioning them but you seem to be.

 

[returntosender]

Since the apsotles uniformly taught it was coming "very soon, in a little while and without delay", for they all stated and believed it was the "last hour of the Last Days at the end of the age", back then, nearly 2000 years ago, I have to wonder why you think they were so wrong in their belief and teaching but you feel you are right?

Ummm, they were wrong.

 

[returntosender]

Ummm, they were wrong. He didn't come in their time.

 

[SuperCow]

The only danger I see in the perpetual "the end is near" mania is that if it doesn't happen when you think, or the worldwide situation calms down for a while, you have a danger of feeling a big disappointment which can test your overall faith.

I'm sure people thought the Cold War and domestic crises of the sixties was going to lead to the end of the world.

People thought Hitler was the antiChrist leading to the end of the world in WW2.

People thought that WW1, followed by the pandemic of the Spanish flu would lead to the end of the world.

Maybe some thought Napoleon would cause it.

The bubonic plague that killed 1/3rd of life on the planet in the 14th century put the end of times in everyone's mind. And this was preceded 100 years earlier by the Mongol invasion lead by Genghis Khan which came close to invading and destroying an undefended Europe if not for his death at the time.

The Justinian plague of the 6th century was reason for many to think it was the end times.

Our war in Ukraine (and even if it spills over into Taiwan) is a skirmish by comparison. The COVID-19 pandemic is just a bad cold by comparison. The BLM/Antifa/MAGA unrest is a blip by comparison.

Maybe we'll spill over into WW3 because of this, but this is not yet a great tribulation.

 

[Dave Watchman]

I agree, I told why because someone asked.
I feed maybe 20 strays and yes it was my first thought that my two will be outside and all bags of food will be open so they have a little time before they die. I pray everyday that I will somehow know to cut all the bags open. It's really too sad for them as if they don't starve the neighbor will kill them in my absence.

20 is huge. I have a couple feral around here I put food out for.

That's how I met my big boy:

Money couldn't buy a cat as good as him.

Honestly I wouldn't worry about it. Don't fret over it. The Lord is in charge of this. Something bad might happen, but it won't be for long.

We're not going to have to worry about a multi year tribulation. Our animals aren't either. That's what Jesus was saying when He said behold I am coming soon, quickly. Tachus. That word for fast. Like lightning from the east. Fast. Like tachometer. Quick.

"He eventually arrived on “Tachus”, derived from the Greek “ταχύς”, which translates to quick, swift, ready, and prompt in English. In fact, the word is also the namesake for tachyons—hypothetical particles that travel faster than light.​

The main thing to look forward to. Or what I look forward to. Jesus is going to right all wrongs. Seeing this girl safe again:

Czeslawa Kwoka was 14 when she was photographed at the Nazis' Auschwitz death camp.

She was only 14 years old. They killed her mother less than a month before. Afraid and alone. Not able to understand the language of her executioners.

A guard had beaten Kwoka shortly before her registration photo was taken, according to Brasse's testimony. Her cut lip can be seen in the photo.

Her mother died three months after they arrived at the camp.

Czeslawa Kwoka was murdered with a phenol injection to the heart a few weeks later.

Overall, the Nazis killed more than a million people, the majority of them Jews, at Auschwitz during the Second World War.​

Her executioner will experience an equal amount of fear. Leave room for the Lord's wrath. He will repay.

I wish in the earth made new again, Czeslawa will have the chance to have her own cat, and all the things she was deprived of in this life.

Even so, come Lord Jesus.

 

[Ligurian]

Not sure of your point?

I probably should have asked you why "Ιησους is coming soon"... first...


But when Matthew 24 was taught, the Holy Spirit still rested only on Christ.
John 20:22-23 the Disciples, sent as the Father sent Him: baptism of the Holy Spirit.

And Revelation matches Matthew 24, so John 16:12-15 means the Revelation.

But how much of Matthew 24 has happened, so far? Not the great tribulation...

Matthew 24:29-30 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
semeion = neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of semaino; an indication, especially ceremonially or supernaturally:--miracle, sign, token, wonder.
Revelation 15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.*

So Matthew 24:29 is Revelation 6:12-17, and Matthew 24:30 is Revelation 15:1.

Matthew 24:31 is Revelation 14:14-16.

But it seems to me that we're still... waiting for Judah to wake up:

Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer [is] nigh:[33] So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, [even] at the doors.

Matthew 21:19 And when He saw a fig tree in the way, He came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.

Jeremiah 24:3-6 And the Lord said to me, What seest thou, Jeremias? and I said, Figs; the good figs, very good; and the bad, very bad, which cannot be eaten, for their badness.[4] And the word of the Lord came to me, saying,[5] Thus saith the Lord, the God of Israel; As these good figs, so will I acknowledge the Jews that have been carried away captive, whom I have sent forth out of this place into the land of the Chaldeans for good.[6] And I will fix mine eyes upon them for good, and I will restore them into this land for good: and I will build them up, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up.LXX
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* Revelation 12:1-5 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman* clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
--This is partly Ιησους being caught up, and partly His overcomers being caught up (Revelation 11:12)... both will rule with a rod of iron (Revelation 2:27, Psalms 2:6-9)... both physical births came from Heavenly Sion* (Isaiah 66:6-8)...
But the three woes happen in order... so, it's not time-wise related to Ιησους' resurrection... the second woe is the death of the two witnesses... third woe is the dragon cast to earth.
--Mount Sion is Mount Hermon, re: the transfiguration where He was made King.
(Matthew 17:1-8, Deuteronomy 4:48... the mountain of Sion, which is Hermon.LXX)
Deuteronomy 3:8-9 And we took at that time out of the hand of the two kings of the Amorites the land that [was] on this side of Jordan, from the river of Arnon to mount Hermon;[9] ([Which] Hermon the Sidonians call Sirion; and the Amorites call it Shenir)

 

[sandman]

Wow, I hadn't thought of that but then I didn't know we knew his birthday

This is a post I did last year Sep 11, 2021# which gives a time frame of His birth....

 

[Lost4words]

Every single year since the very beginnings of Christianity people have said, 'This is the year!'

 

[Dave Watchman]

Every single year since the very beginnings of Christianity people have said, 'This is the year!'

And every year others have said things continue as they were from the beginning of creation since the fathers have fell asleep.

“Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.”​

I don't mind people finding comfort in these words.

I think it's happening now.

1535 + 1969 = we're in the middle of the heptad now.

I'd be eyeballing September for high watch time.

First 21 countries to legalize same sex marriage:

1) The Netherlands (2000)
2) Belgium (2003)
3) Canada (2005)
4) Spain (2005)
5) South Africa (2006)
6) Norway (2009)
7) Sweden (2009)
8) Argentina (2010)
9) Iceland (2010)
10) Portugal (2010)
11) Denmark (2012)
12) Brazil (2013)
13) England and Wales (2013)
14) France (2013)
15) New Zealand (2013)
16) Uruguay (2013)
17) Luxembourg (2014)
18) Scotland (2014)
19) Finland: (signed 2015, effective 2017)
20) Ireland: (2015)
21) United States: (2015)<-------1290 Days------->Sun/Moon
21) United States: (2015)<-------1290 Days------->EofW

Compare with the nations experiencing the new Monkey pox outbreak:

Men seeking death, but death will flee from them?

Noisome and grievous sores breaking out on the men who worship the image of the beast?

First case of Monkey pox in May this year.

The initial cluster of cases was found in the United Kingdom,[22] where the first case was detected on 6 May 2022 in an individual with travel links to Nigeria (where the disease is endemic).[23] The outbreak marked the first time monkeypox has spread widely outside Central and West Africa.
​

Five months expires in September.

Culminating with the four angels bound at the great river Euphrates being released?

September is middle of the heptad (+40 days). "This same Jesus returns in like manner?

September 2 to 10 is 1335 days from the "darkened sun and moon not giving it's light in January 2019, 1290 days after the Abomination.

2 modern day decrees confirms Newton's riddle.

This:

> 2 modern day decrees confirms Newton's riddle. <​

Just like it didn't go all the way to 34AD during the primary application of the weeks, I doubt it goes all the way to the completion of 2025, and January 2026 in the secondary application of the weeks.

But as He has said, the Son of Man will come at an hour that you do not expect.

"And what I say to you,
I say to all: Watch!”​

 

[returntosender]

I'm not trying to convince any one. In previous post like this I have disagreed. i am here to say for me I agree with them. The message I got from the ministers was. The time is short, get yourself together. Maybe it was just for me. I hope it is true. For all who want it.. except mic who will have to find his partner in heaven if that's possible.

 

[returntosender]

The only danger I see in the perpetual "the end is near" mania is that if it doesn't happen when you think, or the worldwide situation calms down for a while, you have a danger of feeling a big disappointment which can test your overall faith.

I'm sure people thought the Cold War and domestic crises of the sixties was going to lead to the end of the world.

People thought Hitler was the antiChrist leading to the end of the world in WW2.

People thought that WW1, followed by the pandemic of the Spanish flu would lead to the end of the world.

Maybe some thought Napoleon would cause it.

The bubonic plague that killed 1/3rd of life on the planet in the 14th century put the end of times in everyone's mind. And this was preceded 100 years earlier by the Mongol invasion lead by Genghis Khan which came close to invading and destroying an undefended Europe if not for his death at the time.

The Justinian plague of the 6th century was reason for many to think it was the end times.

Our war in Ukraine (and even if it spills over into Taiwan) is a skirmish by comparison. The COVID-19 pandemic is just a bad cold by comparison. The BLM/Antifa/MAGA unrest is a blip by comparison.

Maybe we'll spill over into WW3 because of this, but this is not yet a great tribulation.

I've found it a trbulaton just with the COVID. Most convincing to me of the signs is the devistation with the weather. So much flooding. A lot of deseases and moral decay. It's hard to believe it could get any worse.
Not to worry, I don't obcess about it.

 

[returntosender]

Every single year since the very beginnings of Christianity people have said, 'This is the year!'

Agree, but the world has never been this bad. You don't have to worry, you're a dog

 

[returntosender]

This is a post I did last year Sep 11, 2021# which gives a time frame of His birth....

Maybe 911 had something to do with why they picked that day and year.

 

[returntosender]

I probably should have asked you why "Ιησους is coming soon"... first...


But when Matthew 24 was taught, the Holy Spirit still rested only on Christ.
John 20:22-23 the Disciples, sent as the Father sent Him: baptism of the Holy Spirit.

And Revelation matches Matthew 24, so John 16:12-15 means the Revelation.

But how much of Matthew 24 has happened, so far? Not the great tribulation...

Matthew 24:29-30 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
semeion = neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of semaino; an indication, especially ceremonially or supernaturally:--miracle, sign, token, wonder.
Revelation 12:1-5 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

This is partly Ιησους being caught up, and partly His overcomers being caught up (Revelation 11:12)... both will rule with a rod of iron (Revelation 2:27, Psalms 2:6-9)... both physical births came from Heavenly Sion* (Isaiah 66:6-8)...
But the three woes happen in order... so, it's not time-wise related to Ιησους' resurrection... the second woe is the death of the two witnesses... third woe is the dragon cast to earth.

Matthew 24:29 is Revelation 6:12-17. And Matthew 24:30 is Revelation 12:1-5.

Matthew 24:31 is Revelation 14:14-16.

But it seems to me that we're still... waiting for Judah to wake up:

Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer [is] nigh:[33] So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, [even] at the doors.

Matthew 21:19 And when He saw a fig tree in the way, He came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.

Jeremiah 24:3-6 And the Lord said to me, What seest thou, Jeremias? and I said, Figs; the good figs, very good; and the bad, very bad, which cannot be eaten, for their badness.[4] And the word of the Lord came to me, saying,[5] Thus saith the Lord, the God of Israel; As these good figs, so will I acknowledge the Jews that have been carried away captive, whom I have sent forth out of this place into the land of the Chaldeans for good.[6] And I will fix mine eyes upon them for good, and I will restore them into this land for good: and I will build them up, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up.LXX
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* Mount Sion is Mount Hermon, re: the transfiguration where He was made King.
(Matthew 17:1-8, Deuteronomy 4:48... the mountain of Sion, which is Hermon.LXX)

I get lost in book posts, it's wasted on me.

 

[PloverWing]

Since the apsotles uniformly taught it was coming "very soon, in a little while and without delay", for they all stated and believed it was the "last hour of the Last Days at the end of the age", back then, nearly 2000 years ago, I have to wonder why you think they were so wrong in their belief and teaching but you feel you are right?

Well, since you believe the apostles were completely 100% wrong about something as paramount and critical as that, something they taught in over 100 NT scriptures, I can't help but wonder what else you think they were wrong about?

Instead of all this accusation, could you just state your point of view straightforwardly? Something like "The Catholic Church believes that the apostles believed that Jesus' second coming already happened, in year Y at event Z", and then fill in Y and Z for us. I haven't studied eschatology from the Catholic point of view, so this would help me understand what you're hinting at.

 

[PloverWing]

@parousia70 : A follow-up question here, because I just noticed your username. Do you believe that the destruction of the temple in AD 70 was Jesus' second coming?

 

[returntosender]

I am sorry

 

[sandman]

Maybe 911 had something to do with why they picked that day and year.

I am sure that adversary deliberately picked that day...

 

[parousia70]

I didn't give the day or the hour. Why so bitter? I'm not questioning them but you seem to be.

You said the apostles were wrong and you are right. I just don’t believe that’s a solid theological foundation to build a doctrine upon.

 

[parousia70]

Instead of all this accusation, could you just state your point of view straightforwardly? Something like "The Catholic Church believes that the apostles believed that Jesus' second coming already happened, in year Y at event Z", and then fill in Y and Z for us. I haven't studied eschatology from the Catholic point of view, so this would help me understand what you're hinting at.

We Catholics, you may be surprised to know, are allowed to have our own opinions about eschatology that don’t always match with one another. The Catholic Church does not have a uniform eschatology that they require Catholics to adhere to beyond what is stated in the creed.

i’m not accusing anybody of anything I am merely reflecting The logical conclusion of what is being said by the folks who are purporting to say it.