Saturday or Sunday Church?

[BNR32FAN]

Rom 14 does not even deal with the idea of "observing no day". Nor does it mention the weekly Sabbath.

Col 1:16 does not mention the Sabbath. Rather - it says
"16 for by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominions, or rulers, or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him."

Sorry that was a typo was supposed to be Colossians 2:16

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Sorry that was a typo was supposed to be Colossians 2:16

You're right, that was most likely a typo since Colossians 2:16 says, Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. Which cross references with Romans 14:1-10.

We need to back up to Colossians 2:14 that provides context to Colossians 2:16-17

There is more than one sabbath in the scriptures and they are not the same. The weekly Sabbath was right from the beginning and is part of God’s perfect plan before sin entered. Genesis 2:1-3. The other sabbath(s) are all annual feasts days that were added after sin and pointed to Jesus at the cross as He became our sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin when we repent and turn to Him in obedience. The weekly Sabbath is a commandment of God written by God’s own finger- the Sabbath is holy and blessed and a day of rest- is God’s blessing something against us? Once God blesses something it cannot be reversed. Numbers 23:20 The other sabbath(s) was handwritten by Moses and is an ordinance. The weekly Sabbath has nothing to do with food or drink and if one is seeking Truth in the scriptures, we need to read the context that surrounds a verse. Prayerfully reading Colossians 2:14 lets us know clearly the sabbath(s) it is referring to, plus all the other context in scripture on how we should keep the commandments of God right until the very end. Revelation 12:17, Revelation 14:12. Revelation 22:14. The Sabbath continues to be when we will worship the Lord for all eternity, thus saith the Lord. Isaiah 66:22-23.

Romans 14:1-10 is a cross reference to Colossians 2:14-17 as it is about food and drink and judging which has nothing to do with the weekly Sabbath commandment. There were a number of ceremonial festivals called holy days which is what the discussion is about. The conclusion if one wants to keep some of these festivals- keep it unto the Lord. It has nothing to do with the weekly Sabbath, that God deemed a day above all others as it is the holy day of the Lord thy God Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13 and the only day in scripture God blessed and sanctified and commanded us to keep holy above all other days. Genesis 2:1-3 Exodus 20:8-11

 

[HIM]

wendykvw posted Romans 14:10 in regard to Christians judging one another as also found in Colossians 2:16. And you went off track and became preoccupied with eating herbs/vegetables mentioned in Romans 14:2. So yes it's hard to follow what track you're on.

Oh you didn't know that when reading a chapter in any book, but especially the Bible that you are to read it with the context and premise in mind usually set forth in the first couple sentences? Because 14:10 is being stated in context to 14:1 and the rest of the chapter. The premise of the chapter is put forth in verse 1. And the type of opinions to which is being spoken of is established in verse 2. The fact that it speaks of only eating vegetables show us that the disputes over differing opinions mentioned in verse 1 is not in respect to the Word of God telling us we can't or can eat but about differing opinions about what we can can't do. How do we know? Because nowhere does the Bible tell us we must only eat herbs. And verse one states that the chapter is about judging over opinions not the word of God. And as was said the Sabbath is not mentioned. If it was the topic it would have been mentioned considering the import it had on the Jews.


Rom 14:1 Now receive the one who is weak in the faith, and do not have disputes over differing opinions.
Rom 14:2 One person believes in eating everything, but the weak person eats only vegetables.
Rom 14:3 The one who eats everything must not despise the one who does not, and the one who abstains must not judge the one who eats everything, for God has accepted him.
Rom 14:4 Who are you to pass judgment on another’s servant? Before his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One person regards one day holier than other days, and another regards them all alike. Each must be fully convinced in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 The one who observes the day does it for the Lord. The one who eats, eats for the Lord because he gives thanks to God, and the one who abstains from eating abstains for the Lord, and he gives thanks to God.
Rom 14:7 For none of us lives for himself and none dies for himself.
Rom 14:8 If we live, we live for the Lord; if we die, we die for the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s.
Rom 14:9 For this reason Christ died and returned to life, so that he may be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
Rom 14:10 But you who eat vegetables only – why do you judge your brother or sister? And you who eat everything – why do you despise your brother or sister? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.

 

[ozso]

Oh you didn't know that when reading a chapter in any book, but especially the Bible that you are to read it with the context and premise in mind usually set forth in the first couple sentences? Because 14:10 is being stated in context to 14:1 and the rest of the chapter. The premise of the chapter is put forth in verse 1. And the type of opinions to which is being spoken of is established in verse 2. The fact that it speaks of only eating vegetables show us that the disputes over differing opinions mentioned in verse 1 is not in respect to the Word of God telling us we can't or can eat but about differing opinions about what we can can't do. How do we know? Because nowhere does the Bible tell us we must only eat herbs. And verse one states that the chapter is about judging over opinions not the word of God. And as was said the Sabbath is not mentioned. If it was the topic it would have been mentioned considering the import it had on the Jews.


Rom 14:1 Now receive the one who is weak in the faith, and do not have disputes over differing opinions.
Rom 14:2 One person believes in eating everything, but the weak person eats only vegetables.
Rom 14:3 The one who eats everything must not despise the one who does not, and the one who abstains must not judge the one who eats everything, for God has accepted him.
Rom 14:4 Who are you to pass judgment on another’s servant? Before his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One person regards one day holier than other days, and another regards them all alike. Each must be fully convinced in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 The one who observes the day does it for the Lord. The one who eats, eats for the Lord because he gives thanks to God, and the one who abstains from eating abstains for the Lord, and he gives thanks to God.
Rom 14:7 For none of us lives for himself and none dies for himself.
Rom 14:8 If we live, we live for the Lord; if we die, we die for the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s.
Rom 14:9 For this reason Christ died and returned to life, so that he may be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
Rom 14:10 But you who eat vegetables only – why do you judge your brother or sister? And you who eat everything – why do you despise your brother or sister? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.

You have a unique way of interpreting scripture.

 

[bbbbbbb]

We need to back up to Colossians 2:14 that provides context to Colossians 2:16-17

There is more than one sabbath in the scriptures and they are not the same. The weekly Sabbath was right from the beginning and is part of God’s perfect plan before sin entered. Genesis 2:1-3. The other sabbath(s) are all annual feasts days that were added after sin and pointed to Jesus at the cross as He became our sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin when we repent and turn to Him in obedience. The weekly Sabbath is a commandment of God written by God’s own finger- the Sabbath is holy and blessed and a day of rest- is God’s blessing something against us? Once God blesses something it cannot be reversed. Numbers 23:20 The other sabbath(s) was handwritten by Moses and is an ordinance. The weekly Sabbath has nothing to do with food or drink and if one is seeking Truth in the scriptures, we need to read the context that surrounds a verse. Prayerfully reading Colossians 2:14 lets us know clearly the sabbath(s) it is referring to, plus all the other context in scripture on how we should keep the commandments of God right until the very end. Revelation 12:17, Revelation 14:12. Revelation 22:14. The Sabbath continues to be when we will worship the Lord for all eternity, thus saith the Lord. Isaiah 66:22-23.

Romans 14:1-10 is a cross reference to Colossians 2:14-17 as it is about food and drink and judging which has nothing to do with the weekly Sabbath commandment. There were a number of ceremonial festivals called holy days which is what the discussion is about. The conclusion if one wants to keep some of these festivals- keep it unto the Lord. It has nothing to do with the weekly Sabbath, that God deemed a day above all others as it is the holy day of the Lord thy God Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13 and the only day in scripture God blessed and sanctified and commanded us to keep holy above all other days. Genesis 2:1-3 Exodus 20:8-11

So, the bottom line is that God arbitrarily decided to make some of His Sabbaths optional for Christians, but demands that they engage in nineteenth-century American Protestant religious activity on Saturdays only.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So, the bottom line is that God arbitrarily decided to make some of His Sabbaths optional for Christians, but demands that they engage in nineteenth-century American Protestant religious activity on Saturdays only.

Perhaps you can provide scripture to your commentary. The Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 and man was created on the sixth day Genesis 1:26 so your commentary does not seem to match up with the Word of God.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Perhaps you can provide scripture to your commentary. The Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 and man was created on the sixth day Genesis 1:26 so your commentary does not seem to match up with the Word of God.

You yourself provided the scripture for the commentary. You laid the case that the Sabbath being referred to in the passage was not Saturday, but consisted of the other Sabbaths of God. Do you believe this?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You yourself provided the scripture for the commentary. You laid the case that the Sabbath being referred to in the passage was not Saturday, but consisted of the other Sabbaths of God. Do you believe this?

If scripture identifies more than one Sabbath in scriptures, we need to look at the context of the passage to understand the message of the scriptures. You referred to the weekly Sabbath in your initial post that showed no scriptural evidence, but now are you referring to the annual sabbaths? Sorry, I'm having a hard time following you.

 

[HIM]

You have a unique way of interpreting scripture.

Utilizing Proper reading skills is unique to you?

Here read it again please. Because There is no argument against what was shown you. It is a fact that 14:10 is being stated in context to 14:1 and the rest of the chapter. Otherwise it would be isolated. The premise of the chapter is put forth in verse 1. And the type of opinions to which is being spoken of is established in verse 2. The fact that it speaks of only eating vegetables show us that the disputes over differing opinions mentioned in verse 1 is not in respect to the Word of God telling us we can't or can eat but about differing opinions about what we can can't do. How do we know? Because nowhere does the Bible tell us we must only eat herbs. And verse one states that the chapter is about judging over opinions not the word of God. And as was said the Sabbath is not mentioned. If it was the topic it would have been mentioned considering the import it had on the Jews.


Rom 14:1 Now receive the one who is weak in the faith, and do not have disputes over differing opinions.
Rom 14:2 One person believes in eating everything, but the weak person eats only vegetables.
Rom 14:3 The one who eats everything must not despise the one who does not, and the one who abstains must not judge the one who eats everything, for God has accepted him.
Rom 14:4 Who are you to pass judgment on another’s servant? Before his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One person regards one day holier than other days, and another regards them all alike. Each must be fully convinced in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 The one who observes the day does it for the Lord. The one who eats, eats for the Lord because he gives thanks to God, and the one who abstains from eating abstains for the Lord, and he gives thanks to God.
Rom 14:7 For none of us lives for himself and none dies for himself.
Rom 14:8 If we live, we live for the Lord; if we die, we die for the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s.
Rom 14:9 For this reason Christ died and returned to life, so that he may be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
Rom 14:10 But you who eat vegetables only – why do you judge your brother or sister? And you who eat everything – why do you despise your brother or sister? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.

 

[ozso]

Utilizing Proper reading skills is unique to you?

Here read it again please. Because There is no argument against what was shown you. It is a fact that 14:10 is being stated in context to 14:1 and the rest of the chapter. Otherwise it would be isolated. The premise of the chapter is put forth in verse 1. And the type of opinions to which is being spoken of is established in verse 2. The fact that it speaks of only eating vegetables show us that the disputes over differing opinions mentioned in verse 1 is not in respect to the Word of God telling us we can't or can eat but about differing opinions about what we can can't do. How do we know? Because nowhere does the Bible tell us we must only eat herbs. And verse one states that the chapter is about judging over opinions not the word of God. And as was said the Sabbath is not mentioned. If it was the topic it would have been mentioned considering the import it had on the Jews.


Rom 14:1 Now receive the one who is weak in the faith, and do not have disputes over differing opinions.
Rom 14:2 One person believes in eating everything, but the weak person eats only vegetables.
Rom 14:3 The one who eats everything must not despise the one who does not, and the one who abstains must not judge the one who eats everything, for God has accepted him.
Rom 14:4 Who are you to pass judgment on another’s servant? Before his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One person regards one day holier than other days, and another regards them all alike. Each must be fully convinced in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 The one who observes the day does it for the Lord. The one who eats, eats for the Lord because he gives thanks to God, and the one who abstains from eating abstains for the Lord, and he gives thanks to God.
Rom 14:7 For none of us lives for himself and none dies for himself.
Rom 14:8 If we live, we live for the Lord; if we die, we die for the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s.
Rom 14:9 For this reason Christ died and returned to life, so that he may be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
Rom 14:10 But you who eat vegetables only – why do you judge your brother or sister? And you who eat everything – why do you despise your brother or sister? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.

If you want to see that whole passage being about eating vegetables, that's okay with me.

 

[BobRyan]

Sorry that was a typo was supposed to be Colossians 2:16

Col 2:16 references the "shadow" predictive Sabbaths of Lev 23 - based in animal sacrifice pointing forward (Shadow Sabbaths) to the sacrifice of Christ, and whose predictive element is fulfilled in that sacrifice. Co 2 does not declare even those Sabbaths as ended (though Heb 10:4-12 does state they end as their sacrifices end -- at the cross).. rather Col 2 condemns "judging others" and so also does Christ in Matt 7 - even before the cross - before any animal sacrifices were declared ended at all.

16 Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ

By contrast the weekly Sabbath of Gen 2:1-3 Ex 20:8-11 is a memorial of a past event given in Eden.

Ex 20:8-11 "REMEMBER the Sabbath day .... 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and everything that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day; for that reason the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."

Gen 2:1-3
And so the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their heavenly lights. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because on it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

So, the bottom line is that God arbitrarily decided to make some of His Sabbaths optional for Christians, but demands that they engage in nineteenth-century American Protestant religious activity on Saturdays only.

The bottom line is that Col 2 only references the shadow Sabbaths of Lev 23 not the moral law of God in Ex 20.

The bottom line is that both the Sabbath keeping and the non-Sabbath keeping Bible scholars in Christianity admit to this element of the TEN being distinct from the animal sacrifice ceremonial law. And they specifically affirm the Sabbath commandment as continuing. So this is not a Bible detail that only Bible-Sabbath keeping Christians have "noticed".

We have entire threads on that point -- in detail
Clarifying the Debate "basics" on Sabbath and the TEN Commandments



The bottom line is - only the TEN were kept inside the ark of the Covenant as Heb 9 points out - not those other Lev 23 Sabbaths. God Himself makes that distinction - so it is not something just created here on this thread.

The bottom line is that James 2 and Eph 6:2 present that moral law of God as a single unbreakable unit "he who breaks one breaks them all" as James says.

 

[BobRyan]

Rom 14:1 Now receive the one who is weak in the faith, and do not have disputes over differing opinions.
Rom 14:2 One person believes in eating everything, but the weak person eats only vegetables.
Rom 14:3 The one who eats everything must not despise the one who does not, and the one who abstains must not judge the one who eats everything, for God has accepted him.
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Just as in 1 Cor 8:
9 But take care that this freedom of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to the weak. 10 For if someone sees you, the one who has knowledge, dining in an idol’s temple, will his conscience, if he is weak, not be strengthened to eat things sacrificed to idols? 11 For through your knowledge the one who is weak is ruined, the brother or sister for whose sake Christ died. 12 And so, by sinning against the brothers and sisters and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if food causes my brother to sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause my brother to sin.

There is nothing in OT or NT about not eating meat vs only eating vegetables. The only "issue" mentioned about that is what we find in 1 Cor 8 and referenced in Rom 14 - in passing.

1. The "weak" in faith are the gentiles - fearful of meat offered to idols
2. The "strong' in faith are the Christian Jews who do not regard the idols as being anything at all.

1 Cor 8:
Now concerning food sacrificed to idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge makes one conceited, but love edifies people. 2 If anyone thinks that he knows anything, he has not yet known as he ought to know; 3 but if anyone loves God, he is known by Him.

4 Therefore, concerning the eating of food sacrificed to idols, we know that an idol is nothing at all in the world, and that there is no God but one. 5 For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, 6 yet for us there is only one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

7 However, not all people have this knowledge; but some, being accustomed to the idol until now, eat food as if it were sacrificed to an idol; and their conscience, being weak, is defiled. 8 Now food will not bring us close to God; we are neither the worse if we do not eat, nor the better if we do eat. 9 But take care that this freedom of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to the weak.

If you want to see that whole passage being about eating vegetables, that's okay with me.

I prefer the Bible "details".... as noted above

 

[HIM]

You're right, that was most likely a typo since Colossians 2:16 says, Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. Which cross references with Romans 14:1-10.

Sorry that was a typo was supposed to be Colossians 2:16

We need to back up to Colossians 2:14 that provides context to Colossians 2:16-17

There is more than one sabbath in the scriptures and they are not the same. The weekly Sabbath was right from the beginning and is part of God’s perfect plan before sin entered. Genesis 2:1-3. The other sabbath(s) are all annual feasts days that were added after sin and pointed to Jesus at the cross as He became our sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin when we repent and turn to Him in obedience. The weekly Sabbath is a commandment of God written by God’s own finger- the Sabbath is holy and blessed and a day of rest- is God’s blessing something against us? Once God blesses something it cannot be reversed. Numbers 23:20 The other sabbath(s) was handwritten by Moses and is an ordinance. The weekly Sabbath has nothing to do with food or drink and if one is seeking Truth in the scriptures, we need to read the context that surrounds a verse. Prayerfully reading Colossians 2:14 lets us know clearly the sabbath(s) it is referring to, plus all the other context in scripture on how we should keep the commandments of God right until the very end. Revelation 12:17, Revelation 14:12. Revelation 22:14. The Sabbath continues to be when we will worship the Lord for all eternity, thus saith the Lord. Isaiah 66:22-23.

Romans 14:1-10 is a cross reference to Colossians 2:14-17 as it is about food and drink and judging which has nothing to do with the weekly Sabbath commandment. There were a number of ceremonial festivals called holy days which is what the discussion is about. The conclusion if one wants to keep some of these festivals- keep it unto the Lord. It has nothing to do with the weekly Sabbath, that God deemed a day above all others as it is the holy day of the Lord thy God Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13 and the only day in scripture God blessed and sanctified and commanded us to keep holy above all other days. Genesis 2:1-3 Exodus 20:8-11

You yourself provided the scripture for the commentary. You laid the case that the Sabbath being referred to in the passage was not Saturday, but consisted of the other Sabbaths of God. Do you believe this?

Let's take a look at the context in Colossians chapter 2 shall we?

Beware lest anyone spoil, steal us away. For we are complete in Him, established in the faith. Circumcised with the circumcision made without hands in the putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ in Baptism wherein the body of the sins of the flesh is buried, put off. And we being dead in our sins and the uncircumcision of the flesh are now risen, quicken together with Him through Baptism, the circumcision made without hands; forgiving us of all trespasses through Faith in operation of God. Therefore Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances because we have been forgiven of our trespasses. For our sins have been cut off through the circumcision made without hands and the handwriting ordinances of judgment and condemnation that were against us were taken away and nailed to the cross because they are not needed anymore because we now have our forgiveness in Christ through the faith in the operation of God. Not the statutes and laws that told us what sin is, but the ordinances which were condemning; that dealt with when we sinned. And certainly not the Ten commandments and the Sabbath therein. For they also tell us what sin is.

Having spoiled the principalities, that which was established first, the handwriting of ordinances and it's power. That which was against us and contrary to us. Condemning us in it's judgement due to our sins. But now we are forgiven in Christ so it is not needed. So it's authority and power has been taken away; spoiled.

Let therefore, because of everything that was just said. Let no man judge you either in meat and drink offerings, holy days, new moon celebrations and Sabbaths in which were also written in the handwriting of ordinances that dealt with when we sinned. For it's power has been spoiled, stripped away, for we have been forgiven through Christ and the things they symbolize are but a shadow of things to come but the Body is Christ which we are now complete in. Please take note they are to come. So the stance that Christ is now are Sabbath is also debunked here.

Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

 

[ozso]

Never mind, wrong page.

 

[HIM]

If you want to see that whole passage being about eating vegetables, that's okay with me.

Never said that. What was said was The subject of the passages is varying opinions and arguing about them not the Word of God. The fact that nowhere in the Bible does it mention we should only eat vegetables proves this. And the fact that the issue of only eating vegetables is brought up proves the days in question are not any set forth by the Bible either. This is an isolated issue God is addressing through Paul to those in whom he is speaking.

However At this point we think you are just trolling and or wasting time because you have nothing better to do. So take care

Utilizing Proper reading skills is unique to you?

Here read it again please. Because There is no argument against what was shown you. It is a fact that 14:10 is being stated in context to 14:1 and the rest of the chapter. Otherwise it would be isolated. The premise of the chapter is put forth in verse 1. And the type of opinions to which is being spoken of is established in verse 2. The fact that it speaks of only eating vegetables show us that the disputes over differing opinions mentioned in verse 1 is not in respect to the Word of God telling us we can't or can eat but about differing opinions about what we can can't do. How do we know? Because nowhere does the Bible tell us we must only eat herbs. And verse one states that the chapter is about judging over opinions not the word of God. And as was said the Sabbath is not mentioned. If it was the topic it would have been mentioned considering the import it had on the Jews.


Rom 14:1 Now receive the one who is weak in the faith, and do not have disputes over differing opinions.
Rom 14:2 One person believes in eating everything, but the weak person eats only vegetables.
Rom 14:3 The one who eats everything must not despise the one who does not, and the one who abstains must not judge the one who eats everything, for God has accepted him.
Rom 14:4 Who are you to pass judgment on another’s servant? Before his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One person regards one day holier than other days, and another regards them all alike. Each must be fully convinced in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 The one who observes the day does it for the Lord. The one who eats, eats for the Lord because he gives thanks to God, and the one who abstains from eating abstains for the Lord, and he gives thanks to God.
Rom 14:7 For none of us lives for himself and none dies for himself.
Rom 14:8 If we live, we live for the Lord; if we die, we die for the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s.
Rom 14:9 For this reason Christ died and returned to life, so that he may be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
Rom 14:10 But you who eat vegetables only – why do you judge your brother or sister? And you who eat everything – why do you despise your brother or sister? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.

 

[bbbbbbb]

If scripture identifies more than one Sabbath in scriptures, we need to look at the context of the passage to understand the message of the scriptures. You referred to the weekly Sabbath in your initial post that showed no scriptural evidence, but now are you referring to the annual sabbaths? Sorry, I'm having a hard time following you.

Do you believe that the Bible, as you previously asserted, contains commandments for Sabbaths other than on Saturday?

 

[bbbbbbb]

Col 2:16 references the "shadow" predictive Sabbaths of Lev 23 - based in animal sacrifice pointing forward (Shadow Sabbaths) to the sacrifice of Christ, and whose predictive element is fulfilled in that sacrifice. Co 2 does not declare even those Sabbaths as ended (though Heb 10:4-12 does state they end as their sacrifices end -- at the cross).. rather Col 2 condemns "judging others" and so also does Christ in Matt 7 - even before the cross - before any animal sacrifices were declared ended at all.

16 Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ

By contrast the weekly Sabbath of Gen 2:1-3 Ex 20:8-11 is a memorial of a past event given in Eden.

Ex 20:8-11 "REMEMBER the Sabbath day .... 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and everything that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day; for that reason the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."

Gen 2:1-3
And so the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their heavenly lights. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because on it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

The bottom line is that Col 2 only references the shadow Sabbaths of Lev 23 not the moral law of God in Ex 20.

The bottom line is that both the Sabbath keeping and the non-Sabbath keeping Bible scholars in Christianity admit to this element of the TEN being distinct from the animal sacrifice ceremonial law. And they specifically affirm the Sabbath commandment as continuing. So this is not a Bible detail that only Bible-Sabbath keeping Christians have "noticed".

We have entire threads on that point -- in detail
Clarifying the Debate "basics" on Sabbath and the TEN Commandments

The bottom line is - only the TEN were kept inside the ark of the Covenant as Heb 9 points out - not those other Lev 23 Sabbaths. God Himself makes that distinction - so it is not something just created here on this thread.

The bottom line is that James 2 and Eph 6:2 present that moral law of God as a single unbreakable unit "he who breaks one breaks them all" as James says.

I think I understand you. If i understand you correctly (and please feel free to clarify any misunderstanding on my part) God never really had much interest in the commandments He gave in the Old Testament other than the Ten. Thus, it is irrelevant to define precisely what it means to "keep the Sabbath holy" and one is free to define it in actual terms of engaging in nineteenth-century American Protestant religious activity.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Do you believe that the Bible, as you previously asserted, contains commandments for Sabbaths other than on Saturday?

The weekly Sabbath is a commandment of God written by God's own finger and is part of the Ten Commandments God wrote on stone that is eternal Exodus 20:8-11. The weekly Sabbath started at creation before sin as it is God's perfect plan. Genesis 2:1-3

The other sabbath(s) annual festivals all came after sin and are not part of the Ten Commandments but are part of the law of Moses found in ordinances. The sacrificial system found in these ordinances for the forgiveness of sin all points to Christ at the cross as He became our perfect sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins when we repent and turn to Christ. The Ten Commandments points out sin Romans 7:7 and the annual sabbath(s) feast days was added because of sin. Hope this helps.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Col 2:16 references the "shadow" predictive Sabbaths of Lev 23 - based in animal sacrifice pointing forward (Shadow Sabbaths) to the sacrifice of Christ, and whose predictive element is fulfilled in that sacrifice. Co 2 does not declare even those Sabbaths as ended (though Heb 10:4-12 does state they end as their sacrifices end -- at the cross).. rather Col 2 condemns "judging others" and so also does Christ in Matt 7 - even before the cross - before any animal sacrifices were declared ended at all.

Paul didn’t say anything about the sacrifices he said a Sabbath day.

 

[ozso]

And the fact that the issue of only eating vegetables is brought up

Who brought up the issue of only eating vegetables?