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Will there be an end to wars?

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In 1990s when the USSR collapsed and the cold war ended there was a feeling of optimism and hope that wars might diminish and maybe even end. They did not.

The scriptures speak of a time when wars will end. Do you believe that time will come soon?

Micah 4:1 And this shall be: In the last days, the mountain of the house of the Lord will be prepared at the top of the mountains and high above the hills. And the people will flow to it. 2 And many nations will hurry, and will say: "Come, let us ascend to the mountain of the Lord and to the house of the God of Jacob. And he will teach us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths." For the law will go forth from Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. 3 And he will judge among the many peoples, and he will correct strong nations, even from afar. And they will cut up their swords into ploughs, and their spears into hoes. Nation will not take up the sword against nation, and they will no longer learn to wage war. 4 And a man will sit under his vine and under his fig tree, and there will be no one to fear, for the mouth of the Lord of hosts has spoken. 5 For all people will walk, each one in the name of his god. But we will walk in the name of the Lord our God, forever and ever.
 

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In 1990s when the USSR collapsed and the cold war ended there was a feeling of optimism and hope that wars might diminish and maybe even end. They did not.

The scriptures speak of a time when wars will end. Do you believe that time will come soon?
I think there is currently no war in Americas, in the EU, in Asia and in the most of Africa. Even the middle east seems quite calm these days.

Our impression of wars, conflicts and disasters are influenced by the media that try to capture our attention. That makes people over the whole planet to watch two of three conflicts every evening in the news.

But the facts are that we live in the most peaceful era ever.

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In 1990s when the USSR collapsed and the cold war ended there was a feeling of optimism and hope that wars might diminish and maybe even end. They did not.

The scriptures speak of a time when wars will end. Do you believe that time will come soon?

Micah 4:1 And this shall be: In the last days, the mountain of the house of the Lord will be prepared at the top of the mountains and high above the hills. And the people will flow to it. 2 And many nations will hurry, and will say: "Come, let us ascend to the mountain of the Lord and to the house of the God of Jacob. And he will teach us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths." For the law will go forth from Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. 3 And he will judge among the many peoples, and he will correct strong nations, even from afar. And they will cut up their swords into ploughs, and their spears into hoes. Nation will not take up the sword against nation, and they will no longer learn to wage war. 4 And a man will sit under his vine and under his fig tree, and there will be no one to fear, for the mouth of the Lord of hosts has spoken. 5 For all people will walk, each one in the name of his god. But we will walk in the name of the Lord our God, forever and ever.

Mal 4:
And it will come about in the last days
That the mountain of the house of the Lord
Will be established as the chief of the mountains.
It will be raised above the hills,
And the peoples will stream to it.
2 Many nations will come and say,
Come and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord
And to the house of the God of Jacob,

That He may teach us about His ways
And that we may walk in His paths.”
For from Zion will go forth the law,
Even the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
3 And He will judge between many peoples
And render decisions for mighty, distant nations.
Then they will hammer their swords into plowshares
And their spears into pruning hooks;
Nation will not lift up sword against nation,
And never again will they train for war.
4 Each of them will sit under his vine
And under his fig tree,
With no one to make them afraid,
For the mouth of the Lord of hosts has spoken.
5 Though all the peoples walk
Each in the name of his god,
As for us, we will walk
In the name of the Lord our God forever and ever
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Vs 5 appears to be a comment about their present condition - and vs 1-4 a statement about the future.

All of that will certainly be true in the Rev 20 period of time after the millennium. And a lot would have been true even before that had Israel not rejected the Messiah.

Israel had two paths before them... one of rejecting the Messiah and one of accepting the Messiah. Micah 4;1-4 would be applied had they accepted - but even though they rejected it will still happen on Earth in the Rev 20 period - post 1000 years.
 
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In 1990s when the USSR collapsed and the cold war ended there was a feeling of optimism and hope that wars might diminish and maybe even end. They did not.

The scriptures speak of a time when wars will end. Do you believe that time will come soon?

Micah 4:1 And this shall be: In the last days, the mountain of the house of the Lord will be prepared at the top of the mountains and high above the hills. And the people will flow to it. 2 And many nations will hurry, and will say: "Come, let us ascend to the mountain of the Lord and to the house of the God of Jacob. And he will teach us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths." For the law will go forth from Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. 3 And he will judge among the many peoples, and he will correct strong nations, even from afar. And they will cut up their swords into ploughs, and their spears into hoes. Nation will not take up the sword against nation, and they will no longer learn to wage war. 4 And a man will sit under his vine and under his fig tree, and there will be no one to fear, for the mouth of the Lord of hosts has spoken. 5 For all people will walk, each one in the name of his god. But we will walk in the name of the Lord our God, forever and ever.
Micah 4 should be read in its entirety in order to understand its meaning. This are prophetic words about Jesus Christ of Nazareth and His Church. There is a direct reference in Revelation " birth pains" , "Child" as well as in Isaiah.
"No war" is reference to the Kingdom of God made up of all those in the Body of Christ, the New Jerusalem.
Blessings.
 
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I think there is currently no war in Americas, in the EU, in Asia and in the most of Africa.
There's a war in Ukraine which is an Eastern European nation, There's war in Yemen which is a middle eastern Asian nation, There's war in Libya which is a North African nation. So I guess there's war in a lot of places.
 
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There's a war in Ukraine which is an Eastern European nation, There's war in Yemen which is a middle eastern Asian nation, There's war in Libya which is a North African nation. So I guess there's war in a lot of places.
I do not think that three conflicts are "a lot of places", namely when compared to the past.
 
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But the facts are that we live in the most peaceful era ever.
1 Thessalonians 5:3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.

Jeremiah 8:11 For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.

Isaiah 57:
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I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the Lord; and I will heal him.
20 But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.
21 There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked.
 
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I do not think that three conflicts are "a lot of places", namely when compared to the past.
I think there's more than 3 but I listed only 3. Anyway, I am not pretending that the end is nigh or something. That's not my 'shtick' :)
 
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1 Thessalonians 5:3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them...

Its actually the opposite, currently. "They" (media and common folk) say that the life is worse than before and present various problems from all over the world to our dinner tables.

Only few know the facts and stats.
 
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Only few know the facts and stats.
Only someone who eats from the tree of the knowledge
of good and evil thinks that peace is an absence of war.
Is there a war being fought in Iraq? No? Tell that to the
9 million who remain displaced, many living in refugee camps.
Is there a war being fought in Syria? No?
Tell that to the 13 million displaced.
2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

So then, who is "they" who are claiming "peace, peace"?
Is it not you? and your optimistic statistics?
 
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So then, who is "they" who are claiming "peace, peace"?
Is it not you? and your optimistic statistics?
Your question is out of the context. Paul was not talking about our time. So you do not have to try to identify who is saying that, today.

Enjoy the peace instead and live a fulfilled life.
 
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Your question is out of the context. Paul was not talking about our time. So you do not have to try to identify who is saying that, today.

Enjoy the peace instead and live a fulfilled life.
I am aware of the time Paul spoke of:
1 Thessalonians 5:1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.

Since I am not trying to say that the day of the Lord is
imminent, to that extent I will agree, while many are trying
to promote the opposite. As to the peace that I enjoy, it will
ever be in my heart, though they launch a nuclear first strike.
 
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I am aware of the time Paul spoke of:
1 Thessalonians 5:1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.

Since I am not trying to say that the day of the Lord is
imminent, to that extent I will agree, while many are trying
to promote the opposite. As to the peace that I enjoy, it will
ever be in my heart, though they launch a nuclear first strike.

I, in the opposite, think it already happened in the 1st century AD. But at least we can agree its not about our current days.
 
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I think there is currently no war in Americas, in the EU, in Asia and in the most of Africa. Even the middle east seems quite calm these days.

Our impression of wars, conflicts and disasters are influenced by the media that try to capture our attention. That makes people over the whole planet to watch two of three conflicts every evening in the news.

But the facts are that we live in the most peaceful era ever.

battle_deaths_chart.png
Here is another statistic worth considering:
World military expenditure passes $2 trillion for first time
World military expenditure passes $2 trillion for first time | SIPRI.
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Here is another statistic worth considering:
World military expenditure passes $2 trillion for first time

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Sure, inflation and the growing purchasing power of more and more countries will make the numbers higher and higher.

For example, my country was quite poor in 1990, but today we are purchasing F-35s, Abrams and Leopards.
 
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In 1990s when the USSR collapsed and the cold war ended there was a feeling of optimism and hope that wars might diminish and maybe even end. They did not.

The scriptures speak of a time when wars will end. Do you believe that time will come soon?

Micah 4:1 And this shall be: In the last days, the mountain of the house of the Lord will be prepared at the top of the mountains and high above the hills. And the people will flow to it. 2 And many nations will hurry, and will say: "Come, let us ascend to the mountain of the Lord and to the house of the God of Jacob. And he will teach us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths." For the law will go forth from Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. 3 And he will judge among the many peoples, and he will correct strong nations, even from afar. And they will cut up their swords into ploughs, and their spears into hoes. Nation will not take up the sword against nation, and they will no longer learn to wage war. 4 And a man will sit under his vine and under his fig tree, and there will be no one to fear, for the mouth of the Lord of hosts has spoken. 5 For all people will walk, each one in the name of his god. But we will walk in the name of the Lord our God, forever and ever.

The thing is that we have been, since the end of the second world war, experienced what modern historians sometimes call "the long peace". There have certainly been wars and conflicts since then, and in some cases truly brutal things have happened; but on the global scale we haven't seen the kind of brutal conflict that previous generations were more intimately familiar with. This is especially true of western and other industrialized nations. Most western nations haven't, for example, experienced what war is like in their own backyards in almost 80 years or more.

Such relative peace, which has brought most of us a great deal of comfort and generally privileged lives, almost certainly cannot last in the long-term.

We should always strive for peace, but we cannot assume peace. Human nature and history show us, time and again, that the powerful will constantly try and exploit and dominate the weak. It sometimes only takes one person to gain power to upend peace and bring injustice and tyranny--and it is the least of these who will suffer for it.

Will there be a day when the world shall know peace? Yes, but it will never be achieved by the machinations of men who desire power, and who scheme to exploit their fellow men and dominate others. Peace and justice shall one day reign, on the Day when God shall set all things to rights, on the Day when Christ the King shall descend in glory and judgment, when death is itself destroyed and torn asunder; on the Day when finally these words of the Prophets shall be made full. On that Day, even the leopard and the lamb shall live in peace, even the lion shall eat straw like the ox, and we will have forgotten swords and spears for they will all be beaten and converted into ploughs and pruning shears.

This is why the Church daily prays and hopes, "Maranatha! Come Lord Jesus!". Not because we desire escape from the world and its troubles, but because we desire the healing and salvation of this world and deliverance from her troubles. For, as the Apostle reminds us in Romans 8, even creation itself groans with labor pains, as the old world is dying and the hope of the new which is to come.

Even still, right here, in the midst of this, we stand as a people invited to share in suffering and to bear that suffering in love. To be those blessed peacemakers that our Lord calls us to be; and to surrender our lives over to Jesus who reminds us that in this world we will have trouble, but to take heart for He has overcome it.

So even as we recognize that true peace can never be achieved through the efforts of sinful men; nevertheless we strive and aim for peace here and now. Even as we recognize that in this present age true justice is not achieved, but nevertheless we strive for justice. Though "the poor we will always have", nevertheless, it is to the poor that Christ commends and commands His Church to be ministers.

The tragic reality of suffering, poverty, war, and injustice is not something we simply raise up our hands in defeat over, saying, "Nothing can be done, so we should not even try"; rather it is in the hope of what God has declared for the world in Christ that we, looking forward to that future Day bear in hope, through faith, acting in love right here and now in the midst of our neighbors and communities and nations.

The hope of the resurrection is not an invitation to laziness and complacency, but precisely the opposite of that. It is in the hope of the resurrection that, St. Paul says, our labor in the Lord is not in vain (1 Corinthians 15:58).

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Here is another statistic worth considering:
World military expenditure passes $2 trillion for first time
World military expenditure passes $2 trillion for first time | SIPRI.
figure_1_website-2-01.png

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Sure, inflation and the growing purchasing power of more and more countries will make the numbers higher and higher.

For example, my country was quite poor in 1990, but today we are purchasing F-35s, Abrams and Leopards.

Actually what this means is that war is occurring on a massive scale, but it is economic warfare, relying on procuring weapons systems for use as deterrents and for more efficient and precise military operations, like high-precision drone strikes.
 
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The thing is that we have been, since the end of the second world war, experienced what modern historians sometimes call "the long peace". There have certainly been wars and conflicts since then, and in some cases truly brutal things have happened; but on the global scale we haven't seen the kind of brutal conflict that previous generations were more intimately familiar with. This is especially true of western and other industrialized nations. Most western nations haven't, for example, experienced what war is like in their own backyards in almost 80 years or more.

Such relative peace, which has brought most of us a great deal of comfort and generally privileged lives, almost certainly cannot last in the long-term.

We should always strive for peace, but we cannot assume peace. Human nature and history show us, time and again, that the powerful will constantly try and exploit and dominate the weak. It sometimes only takes one person to gain power to upend peace and bring injustice and tyranny--and it is the least of these who will suffer for it.

Will there be a day when the world shall know peace? Yes, but it will never be achieved by the machinations of men who desire power, and who scheme to exploit their fellow men and dominate others. Peace and justice shall one day reign, on the Day when God shall set all things to rights, on the Day when Christ the King shall descend in glory and judgment, when death is itself destroyed and torn asunder; on the Day when finally these words of the Prophets shall be made full. On that Day, even the leopard and the lamb shall live in peace, even the lion shall eat straw like the ox, and we will have forgotten swords and spears for they will all be beaten and converted into ploughs and pruning shears.

This is why the Church daily prays and hopes, "Maranatha! Come Lord Jesus!". Not because we desire escape from the world and its troubles, but because we desire the healing and salvation of this world and deliverance from her troubles. For, as the Apostle reminds us in Romans 8, even creation itself groans with labor pains, as the old world is dying and the hope of the new which is to come.

Even still, right here, in the midst of this, we stand as a people invited to share in suffering and to bear that suffering in love. To be those blessed peacemakers that our Lord calls us to be; and to surrender our lives over to Jesus who reminds us that in this world we will have trouble, but to take heart for He has overcome it.

So even as we recognize that true peace can never be achieved through the efforts of sinful men; nevertheless we strive and aim for peace here and now. Even as we recognize that in this present age true justice is not achieved, but nevertheless we strive for justice. Though "the poor we will always have", nevertheless, it is to the poor that Christ commends and commands His Church to be ministers.

The tragic reality of suffering, poverty, war, and injustice is not something we simply raise up our hands in defeat over, saying, "Nothing can be done, so we should not even try"; rather it is in the hope of what God has declared for the world in Christ that we, looking forward to that future Day bear in hope, through faith, acting in love right here and now in the midst of our neighbors and communities and nations.

The hope of the resurrection is not an invitation to laziness and complacency, but precisely the opposite of that. It is in the hope of the resurrection that, St. Paul says, our labor in the Lord is not in vain (1 Corinthians 15:58).

-CryptoLutheran

Probably the extended peace is due to the fear the great powers have of nuclear annihilation which set in after the Soviet Union developed its own nuclear weapons. The peace prior to the nuclear standoff was due to fatigue over war, afterwards, it was due to fear of nuclear confrontation (which also prompted Truman to fire MacArthur, which was at the time probably a mistake, but by the time Eisenhower took over it would have been correct as Soviet capabilities advanced).
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if WWIII happened in our lifetime, but I doubt it will end all wars. I don't think that time will come soon.
 
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Like it was at the time of the flood.
Giving and taking in marriage ,Jesus describes a world set in it's way and self sufficient.
No wars happening then either I think can be assumed?
Yet Scripture describes that time as full of violence.

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