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What is the interpretation of John 1 vs 1…
In the beginning was the word and the Word was with God and the Word was God

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for those who believe in the trinity as being God…I believe also…it makes sense but I can’t explain it.
How do you explain three deities being one God my belief in God drives me to seek the truth and I am excited about the Word of God
I agree that "In the beginning" was a phrase to take us back to Genesis 1.1.
The Spirit of God was upon the waters. The WORD was not explicitly mentioned in Genesis. So how did we get the the WORD was with God at the beginning?
God "said" and things happened. God's WORD turn things into reality. John is drawing our attention to the WORD that makes all things. It is the WORD that is with God, and the Spirit is God because of the WORD (the Word was God).

The Word was made flesh (John 1:14). Some Bibles had it as "the WORD became flesh." "Make flesh" and "became flesh" has very different meaning. Trinitarians believe that the WORD became flesh. Clearly, John was explaining the WORD as a maker of things, and he made flesh, just as the WORD made Isaac in the barren womb of Sarah.

Jesus is the Son of God as he was resurrected by the power of God.
 
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What is the interpretation of John 1 vs 1…
In the beginning was the word and the Word was with God and the Word was God

Digging deeper

for those who believe in the trinity as being God…I believe also…it makes sense but I can’t explain it.
How do you explain three deities being one God

my belief in God drives me to seek the truth and I am excited about the Word of God
The Trinity and Incarnation remain incomprehensible if you start with traditional assumptions about God.

The essentials, at least, become pretty easy to understand if you switch to a materialism (a la Tertullian 200 AD) - a physical, tangible God distinct from our universe but whose Presence is distributed, more or less sparsely, throughout the universe. He thus fills the whole universe.

For reasons unknown, He has deigned to organize that physical Presence into three parts - those three parts are always joined and thus form one Mind. Every particle of a material mind is volitional but particles can join together in ways that tend to form a united volition.

So there are three main parts - three regions of united volition - Father, Son, and Holy Breath (traditionally misnomered Holy "Spirit"). Three Persons.

- The Father is a human-shaped figure seated on a throne.
- Seated at His right hand is a human-shaped figure entitled the Son
- The Holy Breath exudes from the Son's nostrils (Exodus 15:8-10 Psalms 18:8 John 20:22), and from His mouth when he speaks (Psalms 33:6).

This speech - speaking of words - is also called the (divine) Word (Isaiah 55:11) which, as I already stated, proceeds as the "breath of His mouth" (2 Thessalonians 2:8).

Is the divine Word a "fourth" member? No. That term actually refers to the divine substance as a whole (thus it actually covers all three members even though it normally describes divine speech). For example, the divine Word is spread throughout the entire universe upholding all the stars according to Hebrews 1:3 (presumably by functioning as the real cause of gravity).
 
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The Trinity and Incarnation remain incomprehensible if you start with traditional assumptions about God.

The essentials, at least, become pretty easy to understand if you switch to a materialism (a la Tertullian 200 AD) - a physical, tangible God distinct from our universe but whose Presence is distributed, more or less sparsely, throughout the universe. He thus fills the whole universe.

For reasons unknown, He has deigned to organize that physical Presence into three parts - those three parts are always joined and thus form one Mind. Every particle of a material mind is volitional but particles can join together in ways that tend to form a united volition.

So there are three main parts - three regions of united volition - Father, Son, and Holy Breath (traditionally misnomered Holy "Spirit"). Three Persons.

- The Father is a human-shaped figure seated on a throne.
- Seated at His right hand is a human-shaped figure entitled the Son
- The Holy Breath exudes from the Son's nostrils (Exodus 15:8-10 Psalms 18:8 John 20:22), and from His mouth when he speaks (Psalms 33:6).

This speech - speaking of words - is also called the (divine) Word (Isaiah 55:11) which, as I already stated, proceeds as the "breath of His mouth" (2 Thessalonians 2:8).

Is the divine Word a "fourth" member? No. That term actually refers to the divine substance as a whole (thus it actually covers all three members even though it normally describes divine speech). For example, the divine Word is spread throughout the entire universe upholding all the stars according to Hebrews 1:3 (presumably by functioning as the real cause of gravity).
totally new concept and not in keeping with scripture or commonly accepted orthodox theology.
 
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totally new concept and not in keeping with scripture or commonly accepted orthodox theology.
Um..er..Totally new? I cited the church father Tertullian (200 AD) who was a staunch materialist.

NEWSFLASH: Matter is not a "Totally new concept".

The homosexual heathen philosopher Plato introduced a "Totally new concept" called "spirit" - and the whole church fell for that malarkey. Everyone except Tertullian, that is.
 
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Um..er..Totally new? I cited the church father Tertullian (200 AD) who was a staunch materialist.

NEWSFLASH: Matter is not a "Totally new concept".

The homosexual heathen philosopher Plato introduced a "Totally new concept" called "spirit" - and the whole church fell for that malarkey. Everyone except Tertullian, that is.
good of someone to think they are straightening out a church that they believe has been wrong for 2000 years now
 
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good of someone to think they are straightening out a church that they believe has been wrong for 2000 years now
Tell me, what do you think of the Protestant Reformation?

Those guys said the church had a lot of things wrong for about 1500 years. Do you agree with any of those reforms?
 
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Tell me, what do you think of the Protestant Reformation?

Those guys said the church had a lot of things wrong for about 1500 years. Do you agree with any of those reforms?
I think that they did not attempt to change that much but why should that stop anyone who feels that nearly all the churches in existence today have it all wrong.
 
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something I hit on about 10 years ago. God is Light (1 Jn 1:5). light produces a rainbow when refracted. The rainbow is the sign of God. He calls it "my bow" (Gen 9:3). the rainbow is has six colors which are really a combination of 3 Red, Blue & Yellow. hence 3 in 1. A trinity. a good way to represent the God head.

Note: in the west we say there are 7 colors this was the invention of Isaac Newton who split up Purple & Indigo. but there are actually only six.
Newton and the Color Spectrum.
 
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