Mass shooting ended by a legal gun owner.

[BPPLEE]

REmind me how a cop is supposed to know who is the good guy if you see 3-4 people shooting at each other?

Cops in America are required to be omniscient among other things liberals expect of them

 

[Always in His Presence]

Cops in America are required to be omniscient among other things liberals expect of them

Don't forget that they also are not supposed to harm the person shooting innocent people.

 

[BPPLEE]

Don't forget that they also are not supposed to harm the person shooting innocent people.

True. They should shoot them in the legs or taze them according to some people.

 

[rturner76]

Proves a good guy with a gun doesnt need to roam around with a high capacity military rifle.

This is exactly the sort of good-guy action that would likely survive the gun control Id prefer.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Nobody says it is. But we so often hear of laws that should be
enacted " if just one life is saved".
Several, poosibly dozens have been saved by
people who stood up and took action.

I'm sure there's been quite a few but how many more people have had to die in the meantime to get to the one or two events where some rando with a gun manages to stop another rando with a gun? Averaging out the number of gun deaths/year gives us over 100 deaths a day from guns. The good Samaritan excuse, while definitely nice sounding, is not any kind of solution or even really helping with the problem of gun deaths in the United States, at all. It's nothing more than a talking point that is only brought up to deflect away from ever addressing the real problem we have on our hands.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

1. Aaron Guyton was able to save both innocent bystanders and the shooter himself with a gun. On March 25, 2012, Jesse Gates kicked open the door at the South Side Free Will Baptist Church in Boiling Springs, South Carolina, during services. Gates had a shotgun in his hands. Guyton, who had a concealed weapons permit, pulled a gun. That action enabled worshippers and Pastor Henry Guyton to tackle and disarm Gates.

An unidentified Uber driver was able to stop Everardo Custodio, who was firing into a crowd of people on North Milwaukee Avenue in Chicago in April 2015, The Chicago Tribune reported. The driver stopped his car, pulled out a pistol and fired several shots, injuring Custodio. No other injuries were reported and no charges were made against the driver when police learned he had a concealed carry permit.

Now lets add up the gun deaths of every year since 2012.

 

[durangodawood]

Let us know when anything remotely like this happened.

Lots of cases where police shoot the "good guy with a gun" when they arrive on the scene because the good guy neglected to wear their good guy blaze orange vest.

Police (or others) have precious little time to sort it all out unless they just take a hands off attitude.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Now lets add up the gun deaths of every year since 2012.

Absolutely and as you do separate them by city and states in the order of gun restrictions.

Looking forward to it!

 

[Astrid]

I'm sure there's been quite a few but how many more people have had to die in the meantime to get to the one or two events where some rando with a gun manages to stop another rando with a gun? Averaging out the number of gun deaths/year gives us over 100 deaths a day from guns. The goo d Samaritan excuse, while definitely nice sounding, is not any kind of solution or even really helping with the problem of gun deaths in the United States, at all. It's nothing more than a talking point that is only brought up to deflect away from ever addressing the real problem we have on our hands.

What is a rando? And why name- calling, .
Or equating a courageous citizem with a psycho?

How many died when there was nobody to help is hardly an argument for having nobody!

For what is " good Samaritan" an " excuse"?

Makes no.sense. And " at all"? False.
Probably dozens of lives.

You can just say " deflect", " deflect away" is redundant.
Nobody says it's a solution. It helps who it helps.
Don't criticize what you falsely vall a
talking point when you combine one with a strawman. And deflecting from the q at hand.

Since you know the " real problem" ( though
we were talking about a partial, if small, solution) please tell us the real problem.

And how to solve it.

Last time I was in France btw, I got there they day someone in Nice killed 85 people, injured over 400 with a stolen truck.

The day I left, the Chunnel train was delayed because someone brought a live artillery shell into the station.

Tell us about the "real problem.
And why an armed citizen should protect nobody coz he can't protect everyone.

 

[Astrid]

Lots of cases where police shoot the "good guy with a gun" when they arrive on the scene because the good guy neglected to wear their good guy blaze orange vest.

Police (or others) have precious little time to sort it all out unless they just take a hands off attitude.

My response was to someone talking about armed groups shooting it out when the police come it was nonsense

I believe good guys have been killed while performing their moral duty.
I'm.sure they knew the chance they took.
Jump in the river to save someone, whatever.

I'd rather die trying to.save another than
slink away to die a cowards death after a lifetime of self loathing

Where do you find fault?

 

[durangodawood]

My response was to someone talking about armed groups shooting it out when the police come it was nonsense

I believe good guys have been killed while performing their moral duty.
I'm.sure they knew the chance they took.
Jump in the river to save someone, whatever.

I'd rather die trying to.save another than
slink away to die a cowards death after a lifetime of self loathing

Where do you find fault?

Your response was not to someone talking about armed groups having a shoot out. I just read it. Its was about various good-sam individuals many of whom may not know who the bad guy is.

I think it only seems unreasonable because theres currently not that many armed people in your typical mall, school, etc. But I keep seeing these stories about police shooting the good sam for precisely the reason above. I could probably find some of these stories if i get motivated.

As for dying a coward, you should weigh the possibility that youre shooting a good sam and commencing a lifetime of self loathing.

 

[BPPLEE]

Your response was not to someone talking about armed groups having a shoot out. I just read it. Its was about various good-sam individuals many of whom may not know who the bad guy is.

I think it only seems unreasonable because theres currently not that many armed people in your typical mall, school, etc. But I keep seeing these stories about police shooting the good sam for precisely the reason above. I could probably find some of these stories if i get motivated.

As for dying a coward, you should weigh the possibility that youre shooting a good sam and commencing a lifetime of self loathing.

What you could probably find doesn't help your argument.

 

[Astrid]

Your response was not to someone talking about armed groups having a shoot out. I just read it. Its was about various good-sam individuals many of whom may not know who the bad guy is.

I think it only seems unreasonable because theres currently not that many armed people in your typical mall, school, etc. But I keep seeing these stories about police shooting the good sam for precisely the reason above. I could probably find some of these stories if i get motivated.

As for dying a coward, you should weigh the possibility that youre shooting a good sam and commencing a lifetime of self loathing.

First, it was " 3-4 guys shooting", then it was 5.
Perhaps you know when such a thing happened.
Find it if you can.
Not interested in your whatifs.

And you are welcome to dither while people die, oh,
whatifs the water is cold, whatifs I get hurt.

Your safety at only the cost of your honour and someone's life.


I say that someone willing and able to stand
up and show character at whatever risk to
himself is to be commended, not sneered at as "rando".

 

[loveofourlord]

Absolutely and as you do separate them by city and states in the order of gun restrictions.

Looking forward to it!

Ahhh yes the nonsense about gun regulation being useless because there is no way to stop peopl from traveling. While a country wide gun ban would make getting a gun elsewhere harder wouldn't it?

 

[Astrid]

Ahhh yes the nonsense about gun regulation being useless because there is no way to stop peopl from traveling. While a country wide gun ban would make getting a gun elsewhere harder wouldn't it?

Nobody says they are useless.
It does pay though to note that many laws are
quite ineffective. Passed to make it look as
if strong action is being taken.
Drug laws, or ones against official corruption, say.

 

[BPPLEE]

Ahhh yes the nonsense about gun regulation being useless because there is no way to stop peopl from traveling. While a country wide gun ban would make getting a gun elsewhere harder wouldn't it?

Taking guns away from law abiding citizens will not stop criminals from getting guns. It's just like drugs. Fentanyl, cocaine, crack, meth, heroine, xtasy are all illegal but you can buy some in every state. It's not hard. Why do you think it will be any different with guns?

 

[durangodawood]

... And you are welcome to dither while people die, oh,
whatifs the water is cold, whatifs I get hurt....

What if I shoot and kill a totally innocent good samaritan?

Youre missing the point. Its not about your own personal safety.

 

[BPPLEE]

What if I shoot and kill a totally innocent good samaritan?

Youre missing the point. Its not about your own personal safety.

It's amazing all these what ifs can be thought up for this scenario but most people don't consider that the police have to ask themselves all these questions every time they use deadly force and have only a few seconds to act.

 

[durangodawood]

It's amazing all these what ifs can be thought up for this scenario but most people don't consider that the police have to ask themselves all these questions every time they use deadly force and have only a few seconds to act.

For sure. And when theres a good sam in the mix they get it wrong sometimes. But usually that doesnt happen because the shootings typically over by time theyre on scene.

But the with loads of armed people already on scene, what happens when they hear a couple shots, turn around and theres a guy on the mezzanine and a guy in the food court shooting at each other?

 

[Astrid]

What if I shoot and kill a totally innocent good samaritan?

Youre missing the point. Its not about your own personal safety.

So you would not consider your own safety,? So why any mension of being.istaken for badguy.

Shooting an innocent person? Could happen.
Police have a worse record than "good guys" for
this type of mistake.
Perhaps they should never even try.
What do you think.
I think I'd a lot rather a capable person intervened.

It was deeply impressed on me when I got a pistol
that it carries with it a tremendous load of moral
responsibility.
It goes both ways, to act or not to act.

If you or anyone se is not equipped to hane such
responsibility, they certainly should not have a gun.

Mine is long gone of course, being awful unlawful here.