Texas woman with ectopic pregnancy denied abortion

[chilehed]

Name one zygote that is a person.

All of them. All human beings are persons, by definition.

 

[Jamdoc]

So the zygote is a person?

6 week old embryos are not zygotes.
neither are 15 week old fetuses, or 20 week old
you keep using that term as a means to justify abortion up to 20 weeks sometimes beyond.
It doesn't work.
if you want to use the term Zygote, then you're not arguing for abortion, you're arguing for contraceptives. Because a zygote is what it is just after fertilization, before implantation.
In fact a zygote needs to divide multiple times and be a blastocyst, not even a zygote anymore, to implant in the womb.

Zygotes are not aborted, fetuses and embryos are.

if you're going to try and stand on developmental biology to try and defend murder, then actually learn developmental biology and don't just parrot something you heard someone with an agenda to promote child sacrifice regurgitated out of their own ignorant, lying, murdering mouth.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Funny how the pro-abortionists who go on about pro-life hypocrisy are being hypocrites since they don't do the things they say should be done.

You mean like support politicians who vote to help the postborn?

Full list of 192 House Republicans who voted against FDA baby formula bill

 

[TLK Valentine]

That's not the goal of the law in question which is to prevent human trafficking like pimping. It's actually to protect women from predators.

It makes it a felony for people to travel across state lines... Something that was claimed never happened in the US.

If travel can be restricted to prevent one crime, it can be restricted to prevent any crime.

I don't agree with the Texas law, I agree with some of the other laws making it criminal offenses at certain stages of development like Mississippi's 15 weeks (which is actually quite a compromise), or the so called "heartbeat laws", provided they have provisions for medical exceptions.

You're assuming that the rest of the antiabortion crowd is as interested in compromise as you are. Why would they be?

actually it really doesn't. They have firearms, they have ammunition, they have supplies, and they know how to operate their firearms.. that qualifies as "well regulated" in the 18th century.

This isn't the18th century, it's the 21st.Knowing how to operate your firearms takes slot less skill now than it did then.

We've made firearms idiot-proof, but we've created more persistent idiots. And giving an idiot a firearm doesn't make him a militia; it just make him an armed idiot.

The Founding Fathers weren't looking for a professional military.

They were dead set against it; I know. But here in the not-18th century, we have one.

They were looking for minutemen. Farmers and "wannabe rambos" who had their own firearms and ammunition and were proficient in their use that they could marshal up for defending the nation without having to arm them from the government's coffers and train them when they might not have time.

Brilliant idea, hmmm? Where were they yesterday when Texas could have used them?

 

[ozso]

You mean like support politicians who vote to help the postborn?

Full list of 192 House Republicans who voted against FDA baby formula bill

No I mean the things they say pro-lifers should be doing like adopting etc.

 

[TLK Valentine]

No I mean the things they say pro-lifers should be doing like adopting etc.

How do you know they don't? And why should they when there are other chlices?

 

[ozso]

How do you know they don't? And why should they when there are other chlices?

Good question which leads to, how do the pro-abortionists who make the pro-life hypocrisy accusation know what pro-lifers are doing or not in the first place?

 

[Jamdoc]

It makes it a felony for people to travel across state lines... Something that was claimed never happened in the US.

If travel can be restricted to prevent one crime, it can be restricted to prevent any crime.

and when the law was abused in the past, it was amended to be specific to sex trafficking and prostitution.

You're assuming that the rest of the antiabortion crowd is as interested in compromise as you are. Why would they be?

Yup I can only be responsible for my own opinions.

This isn't the18th century, it's the 21st.Knowing how to operate your firearms takes slot less skill now than it did then.

Well here's a bundle of ignorance. Modern firearms take more knowhow to operate and field strip and clean, as they have a lot more moving parts.
and the Bill of Rights was written in the 18th century, and uses language the way it was used in the 18th century. The point was explaining "well regulated" doesn't mean what you think it means. It meant "effective" and "adequately equipped". You don't change the spirit of the law based on modern use of language.

They were dead set against it; I know. But here in the not-18th century, we have one.

and yet we're seeing in Ukraine the value of an armed populace to reinforce a professional army. The Ukrainian government has been arming civilians to fight against the Russian military, with all their tanks and jets and guided missiles.. and... the Russians have had their northern front collapse, and their northeastern front is now pushed back to the Russian border.
and Democrats say that an armed populace stands no chance against a military.
sure, the Russians can shell and use missiles, but they cannot take and occupy territory very well, in part due to a having the citizenry armed. They don't have the manpower to hold that territory when enough civilians will shoot at you and throw molotovs at your vehicles.

Brilliant idea, hmmm? Where were they yesterday when Texas could have used them?

Yeah, where were they, because they certainly weren't at the GUN FREE SCHOOL ZONE breaking the law.

We protect our politicians with guns, we protect our country with guns, we protect the wealthy and powerful with guns, and we protect our children with a sign that says "no guns".

One of those things has obviously not been working.

 

[ozso]

How about toddler?

A toddler is a human being, an individual, a person the same as is any person at any stage of development. There's no stage of human development where a person is a thing.

 

[chilehed]

Yep.

Keeping in mind that the state is formed by a consensus of the people.

That monumentally twisted idea formed the basis of the most evil governments in history. You've cut off the branch on which you sit, but I'm satisfied with the way you've proven that the alleged right to abortion can be supported only by overthrowing the foundational law of these United States.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Good question which leads to, how do the pro-abortionists who make the pro-life hypocrisy accusation know what pro-lifers are doing or not in the first place?

By asking.

 

[TLK Valentine]

and when the law was abused in the past, it was amended to be specific to sex trafficking and prostitution.

It can be expanded to include abortion, can it not?

Well here's a bundle of ignorance. Modern firearms take more knowhow to operate and field strip and clean, as they have a lot more moving parts.

How about loading and firing?

Now, granted, an unmaintained weapon is going to be horribly inaccurate, but at 800 rounds a minute, the law of averages makes up for that.

and the Bill of Rights was written in the 18th century, and uses language the way it was used in the 18th century. The point was explaining "well regulated" doesn't mean what you think it means. It meant "effective" and "adequately equipped". You don't change the spirit of the law based on modern use of language.

How about the modern use of firearms? How about the modern use of society?

and yet we're seeing in Ukraine the value of an armed populace to reinforce a professional army. The Ukrainian government has been arming civilians to fight against the Russian military, with all their tanks and jets and guided missiles.. and... the Russians have had their northern front collapse, and their northeastern front is now pushed back to the Russian border.
and Democrats say that an armed populace stands no chance against a military.
sure, the Russians can shell and use missiles, but they cannot take and occupy territory very well, in part due to a having the citizenry armed. They don't have the manpower to hold that territory when enough civilians will shoot at you and throw molotovs at your vehicles.

As you said, however, it's an armed populous supporting a professional (Ukrainian) military.

Care to see what happens when an armed populous has to replace a professional military? I don't.

Yeah, where were they, because they certainly weren't at the GUN FREE SCHOOL ZONE breaking the law.

Texas is the last place in the country I expect to see a "GUN FREE" anything... But I could be wrong.

We protect our politicians with guns, we protect our country with guns, we protect the wealthy and powerful with guns, and we protect our children with a sign that says "no guns".

One of those things has obviously not been working.

We don't protect them with guns... They protect themselves with guns... And by hiring people with guns.

Who can the children afford to hire?

 

[ozso]

By asking.

By asking how many? The few in an argument on a forum or FB et al? Is there any actual data to back up the accusation of pro-life hypocrisy? And likewise data to show that pro-abortionists are doing what they're accusing the pro-lifers of not doing? If no such data exists, then it's just a matter of anecdotal evidence and conjecture.

Although as a matter of anecdotal evidence, in the 50 years I've attended churchs, I've known numerous pro-lifers who had adopted children. Including children of a different race, children from overseas and special needs children.

 

[ximmix]

A toddler is a human being, an individual, a person the same as is any person at any stage of development. There's no stage of human development where a person is a thing.

I agree, a person is not a thing. But a zygote is not a person, child or baby, those words have clear definitions.

 

[ximmix]

6 week old embryos are not zygotes.
neither are 15 week old fetuses, or 20 week old
you keep using that term as a means to justify abortion up to 20 weeks sometimes beyond.
It doesn't work.
if you want to use the term Zygote, then you're not arguing for abortion, you're arguing for contraceptives. Because a zygote is what it is just after fertilization, before implantation.
In fact a zygote needs to divide multiple times and be a blastocyst, not even a zygote anymore, to implant in the womb.

Zygotes are not aborted, fetuses and embryos are.

if you're going to try and stand on developmental biology to try and defend murder, then actually learn developmental biology and don't just parrot something you heard someone with an agenda to promote child sacrifice regurgitated out of their own ignorant, lying, murdering mouth.

I have never claimed any of those things. I just think it's ridiculous to call a zygote a person (or a child or a baby), that's all.

 

[ozso]

I agree, a person is not a thing. But a zygote is not a person, child or baby, those words have clear definitions.

You've asked me for definitions, what are yours?

 

[ximmix]

You've asked me for definitions, what are yours?

Personhood and childhood begin after birth.

 

[ozso]

Personhood and childhood begin after birth.

Then what is your definition of a ______ before birth? Please fill in the blank and then define it like I have already done.

I put in the blank because since you ruled out person, I don't know what word to use.

 

[ximmix]

Then what is your definition of a ______ before birth? Please fill in the blank and then define it like I have already done.

I put in the blank because since you ruled out person, I don't know what word to use.

I have no problem calling a fetus a human being, not sure about a zygote though.

 

[TLK Valentine]

By asking how many? The few in an argument on a forum or FB et al? Is there any actual data to back up the accusation of pro-life hypocrisy?

425,000 children in our foster care system. Whoever is doing anything, they're not doing enough.

And likewise data to show that pro-abortionists are doing what they're accusing the pro-lifers of not doing? If no such data exists, then it's just a matter of anecdotal evidence and conjecture.

I provided data. You ignored it. If you're going to demand that children have children, it would be a nice idea to make sure the children are able to feed their children.

President Biden signed an emergency bill to address the baby formula shortage... a bill that never would have made it to his desk if the "pro-life" party were a Congressional majority.

So you see, the "pro-abortionists" are helping children... in spite of "pro-life's" best efforts.

Although as a matter of anecdotal evidence, in the 50 years I've attended churchs, I've known numerous pro-lifers who had adopted children. Including children of a different race, children from overseas and special needs children.

Verily they have their reward. I hope they don't have too much difficulty finding formula these days.