Archbishop Cordileone tells priests that Nancy Pelosi Communion denial is ‘pastoral, not political’

[JimR-OCDS]

BREAKING: Archbishop Cordileone bars Nancy Pelosi from receiving Communion until she ends support for abortion | Catholic News Agency


Archbishop Cordileone tells priests that Nancy Pelosi Communion denial is ‘pastoral, not political’ | Catholic News Agency

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

It's good to see a Churchman with a spine.

 

[Michie]

Separate letter sent to priests

In a separate letter to priests of the San Francisco Archdiocese also released Friday, Cordileone responded preemptively to criticism that he was “weaponizing the Eucharist.”

He insisted that his decision was “simply application of Church teaching.”



“I have been very clear all along, in both my words and my actions, that my motive is pastoral, not political,” he said in the letter.

In the same letter, the archbishop described his repeated attempts to meet with Pelosi — who represents San Francisco, California’s 12th District, in Congress — since she announced in September 2021 that she would seek to codify Roe. v. Wade into U.S. law.

He said that he wrote to the Speaker in April this year, “detailing the extreme position to which she has moved on the abortion question and explaining the scandal that it is causing and the danger to her own soul.”

Fantastic!

 

[Danthemailman]

I was just reading about that.

San Francisco archbishop bars Pelosi from receiving Holy Communion due to abortion support

 

[cow451]

Sounds like a good argument for church taxation.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

I'm not Catholic but good on this man for standing up for the unborn and God

 

[cow451]

I'm not Catholic but good on this man for standing up for the unborn and God

Is this a good time to ask about the Church’s standing up for the post born?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Is this a good time to ask about the Church’s standing up for the post born?

Go ahead ask.

But before you do, let me tell you about a couple of the services
the Church offers to women who give birth out of wedlock

Catholic Charities
Sait Vincent D'Paul

Then of course the Protestants also
have their services.

The argument made by pro-abortionists that pro-lifers are only concerned
about the unborn and forget about the post born is a lie.

 

[cow451]

Go ahead ask.

But before you do, let me tell you about a couple of the services
the Church offers to women who give birth out of wedlock

Catholic Charities
Sait Vincent D'Paul

Then of course the Protestants also
have their services.

The argument made by pro-abortionists that pro-lifers are only concerned
about the unborn and forget about the post born is a lie.

What about the abuse “services” upwards of 3,000 Priests offered children? The Catholic Church lacks credibility in claiming concern for children after covering for these pedophiles for at least 1/2 century.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

What about the abuse “services” upwards of 3,000 Priests offered children? The Catholic Church lacks credibility in claiming concern for children after covering for these pedophiles for at least 1/2 century.

Are you aware that the number goes back over 70 years ago and the actual
cases are the minority of priests in the Catholic Church?

Also, how the Bishops handled the situation was the way they were advised to
by doctors, lawyers and law enforcement. The majority of cases were not
pedophilia, but homosexual priests with young teen boys or young adult seminarian
homosexuals. Heterosexuals have no desire to have sex with other males.

But aside from that, the Church also offered and did pay for the victims to receive
mental services if needed. The past 25 years, they refused as they saw bigger pay
checks through lawsuits.

Either way, the scandal rocked the Church, but it's really not the subject of
the thread which you're trying to derail.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Sounds like a good argument for church taxation.

If it means Christianity can have a place in politics and actually effect how people live their lives this should be a serious consideration. If the price to get tax exemption is to die off and have no impact on society and it's laws, it may not be worth having it.

Freedom for Christianity to operate in it's interests as opposed to the interests of secular governments would be a good thing.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

If it means Christianity can have a place in politics and actually effect how people live their lives this should be a serious consideration. If the price to get tax exemption is to die off and have no impact on society and it's laws, it may not be worth having it.

Freedom for Christianity to operate in it's interests as opposed to the interests of secular governments would be a good thing.

As the Archbishop has said, it's not a political decision, but a pastoral one.

Taxation of the Church would be a violation of the 1st Amendment in the US Constitution.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

As the Archbishop has said, it's not a political decision, but a pastoral one.

Taxation of the Church would be a violation of the 1st Amendment in the US Constitution.

I don't know if I agree with the Bishop on that point. There is an element of the political when you are punishing a senator for being politically pro-abortion and advocating in its interests. I don't believe politics to be the primary reason behind Cordileone's decision, rather he is making it clear that from a Catholic Christian perspective support for abortion is unacceptable.

Nor would I be averse to your argument that Churches do have the right to comment on political matters (abortion is political sadly) and not pay taxes. If Churches can do both they should.

 

[seashale76]

Abortion was a moral issue well before the government decided to stick its finger in. I'm always amazed at how even some Christians seem to think that murdering children and keeping others from murdering children is somehow political and therefore Christians shouldn't be involved because some of those murdering children aren't Christian. That is a complete garbage argument.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I don't know if I agree with the Bishop on that point. There is an element of the political when you are punishing a senator for being politically pro-abortion and advocating in its interests. I don't believe politics to be the primary reason behind Cordileone's decision, rather he is making it clear that from a Catholic Christian perspective support for abortion is unacceptable.

Nor would I be averse to your argument that Churches do have the right to comment on political matters (abortion is political sadly) and not pay taxes. If Churches can do both they should.

The Bishop has reached out to Pelosi several times without going public about it.

Pelosi's refusal to meet with him, but in particular her current stand supporting
abortion since the leak on Roe V Wade being overturned, he has no choice but
to tell her not to receive Holy Communion.

I don't see it as political, but Pelosi is a politician making a political stand in
support for abortion, so yeah, the Bishop's statement will be viewed as political.

However, he's not getting involved in politics as suggested. He has tried to be
pastoral in the past only to be ignored. So, he had to come public in order
to make her respond to him.

 

[grasping the after wind]

I am a firm believer in separation of church and state. This bishop holds the ecclesiastical authority to refuse to give access to any sacrament to any congregant that publicly espouses anti Catholic views. He also has, just as Pelosi has, the legal right to publicly express his own views about the government's actions even if his views are informed by his religious beliefs. I don't find it reasonable to suggest that it would be appropriate for the government to use a form of blackmail to coerce the the church into making itself subservient to the Democratic Party's political agenda. Nor have I heard that suggestion brought up when the church agrees with the political stance of the Democratic Party on an issue. Is it fair to say that Pelosi as well as many others might like to use their religious affiliation to gain votes while espousing the opposite of what their religion teaches?

 

[Fantine]

Can I weigh in from a higher authority, Pope Francis?

However, Pope Francis, who is head of the Catholic Church, has previously urged bishops to tread softly on the issue of denying people the Eucharist—which Catholics consider the body of Jesus Christ—and advised the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops against adopting a policy that would have denied communion to President Joe Biden.
As Pelosi Denied Communion by Bishop, What Pope Said on Refusing Eucharist (msn.com)

I agree with Pope Francis.

Archbishop Cordileone, who was appointed by Pope Benedict, has a criminal record, having been arrested for drunk driving shortly after the appointment and pleading guilty to a lesser charge. (Wikipedia). He has refused to take the COVID vaccine and said he does not really believe it is a vaccine. He has mot required vaccines of Mass attendees. Archbishop Cordileone reveals he's not vaccinated for COVID-19, drawing sharp criticism | National Catholic Reporter (ncronline.org)

Pope Francis has urged people to get vaccinated. The skepticism Cordileone exhibits, which might cause people to risk their lives and even die, is scandalous.

Because of Cordileone's willingness to promote right-wing anti-vaccine theories, I do not believe that his actions regarding Speaker Pelosi are apolitical. I believe they are entirely political.

Jesus said that those without sin should cast the first stones. Cordileone is not without sin--as none of us is.

 

[Arcangl86]

The fact that he publicly announced Speaker Pelosi's excommunication instead of informing her and his priest privately makes me doubt that politics didn't play at least a part in this.

 

[hedrick]

Unless we see millions of other excommunications, it seems clear that Pelosi is being disciplined for her political actions.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Can I weigh in from a higher authority, Pope Francis?



I agree with Pope Francis.

Archbishop Cordileone, who was appointed by Pope Benedict, has a criminal record, having been arrested for drunk driving shortly after the appointment and pleading guilty to a lesser charge. (Wikipedia). He has refused to take the COVID vaccine and said he does not really believe it is a vaccine. He has mot required vaccines of Mass attendees. Archbishop Cordileone reveals he's not vaccinated for COVID-19, drawing sharp criticism | National Catholic Reporter (ncronline.org)

Pope Francis has urged people to get vaccinated. The skepticism Cordileone exhibits, .

Archbishop Cordileone has a DUI which is a misdemeanor took place 10 years ago.
He was driving his mother home after attending a dinner party and he drove through a State Police checkpoint, for which he was pulled over and given a sobriety test.

As far as not getting Vaccinated for COVID-19, on this I disagree with him, he should get vaccinated.

Either way, neither of these two cases are intrinsic moral evils like abortion is, which Nancy Pelosi has repeatedly come out in support of.

There is a difference between killing a human being and a DUI or not getting
a vaccination for COVID-19